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Post by paul on Nov 7, 2011 14:18:39 GMT 9.5
Tamrin,
I take your hint about nothing in words and suggest that if you have a particular interest in Alcyone you study the Arab and Hindu star mythologies. The ancients knew much that has been forgotten by later materialist cultures.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 14:20:34 GMT 9.5
Paul you have spoken at length on the subject elsewhere. Why are you coy here?
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Post by paul on Nov 7, 2011 14:45:25 GMT 9.5
I do NOT rely on second-hand revelation.... There is nothing I can say that is of the slightest use to you. The only reason I reply to some of your posts is that others may have an interest. Such is life.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 7, 2011 15:30:00 GMT 9.5
No-one can tell you anything? Nullius in verba (Take no one's word for it)
Motto of The Royal Society So - you are willing to drink something marked 'poison' to establish the truth of what they say? Ridiculous example I know... but life is like that. I fail to see how anyone could operate in our world without the prior work and experience of others to guide us. Science, medicine, art, music all start from a point where other left off... we build on previous foundations... much like Solomon's Temple when you think about it. I feel pretty confident that even The Royal Society does that much.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 7, 2011 15:32:42 GMT 9.5
Tamrin, I take your hint about nothing in words and suggest that if you have a particular interest in Alcyone you study the Arab and Hindu star mythologies. The ancients knew much that has been forgotten by later materialist cultures. I will put that on my list or things to check out... such a long list! But I usually get around to it sooner or later. Thank you very much for that lead.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 18:28:09 GMT 9.5
we build on previous foundations... much like Solomon's Temple when you think about it. A good Mason checks their foundations. I feel pretty confident that even The Royal Society does that much. From their home page:
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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 18:34:42 GMT 9.5
I take your hint about nothing in words Then you are mistaken. "Take nobody's word for it" is not the same as "nothing in words." This forum would be much improved if you stuck to the latter but I will be content with the former.
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Post by paul on Nov 7, 2011 19:27:59 GMT 9.5
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Post by tamrin on Nov 8, 2011 18:23:15 GMT 9.5
Assuming therefore that the brethren of the Royal Society were proficient in Latin, it is possible that they intended two levels of meaning:
- From none in words (e.g. don't believe anything anyone says - a bit strange for scientists not to credit the observations of others) - Of none in words (e.g. do not speak of the hidden mysteries of nature and science - quite plausible as it was not long since the inquisition) Possible (although, given that it is their motto, we ought perhaps prefer what the members of the Society say they mean by it). Still, in a context of some superstitions being protected at the time by law and the indiscreet application of reason in such cases was fraught with danger, we must still allow the possibility. It was they and their kind who applied the motto as they mean it and challenged mere assertions. They took such things as alchemy and astrology and from them established disciplines such as chemistry and astronomy.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 9, 2011 7:18:50 GMT 9.5
Did you know that Alcyone was called Al Wasat, the Central One by the Arabs and Temennu and the Foundation Stone by the Babylonians?
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Post by LorrB on Nov 9, 2011 7:22:05 GMT 9.5
Did you know that according to The Mazzaroth, Wasat, an Arabic name of Alcyone, transmitted by Ulugh Beigh from early Arabian astonomy, is the Centre.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 9, 2011 7:36:56 GMT 9.5
..an.. article by ken Raines called Jehovah: Ancient Astronaut from the Pleiades'7 Apparently for 62 years, 1891 - 1953, the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witness) taught that God resided on the star Alcyone in the Pleiades constellation and that from this star he governed the universe. It was also stated that the City of Zion in heaven was Alcyone. The original Watchtower magazine was called Zion's Watchtower. In Micah 4:8 of the Old Testament, it reads, 'And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.' Remember the Pleiades were most frequently represented as a flock of doves.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 9, 2011 7:39:01 GMT 9.5
God resides on a star ... ? some 'gods' were astronauts maybe?
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Post by LorrB on Nov 9, 2011 7:41:10 GMT 9.5
Cyon (Arabic Hebrew) = Centre, Foundation. (Al = The) - Al-cyone Sion Zion
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Post by paul on Nov 9, 2011 8:04:27 GMT 9.5
Cyon (Arabic Hebrew) = Centre, Foundation. (Al = The) - Al-cyone Sion Zion A most interesting connection that I had not spotted. Can we then conclude that the Sion is the same as Alcyone? I once visited La Colline Inspiree (the inspired hill) at which there is a village and church of Sion. Apparently it is a/the holy place of the House of Lorraine www.panoramio.com/photo/52957361The place is close to the Ardennes (Arcturus = bear) and to the monastery founded by Sainte Odile at the spot where she saw a bear - as instructed in a dream. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Sainte-OdileThe monastery has a silent courtyard lawn where (when I was there) the grail energies were very strong. If you use Google Maps for "Mont Sainte-Odile abbey Lorraine, France" and zoom in you can see the courtyard and perhaps feel the energy. Those who investigate star lore will already know of the traditional connection between bears, grail and Sion.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 9, 2011 18:00:39 GMT 9.5
Cyon (Arabic Hebrew) = Centre, Foundation. (Al = The) - Al-cyone Sion Zion Centre of what?
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Post by paul on Nov 9, 2011 18:51:45 GMT 9.5
A good question and perhaps worth some research particularly since Arab science has a long history
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Post by tamrin on Nov 9, 2011 19:31:34 GMT 9.5
A good question and perhaps worth some research particularly since Arab science has a long history Come, come! Elsewhere you have spoken at length on the subject. Why not here?
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Post by paul on Nov 9, 2011 20:45:45 GMT 9.5
I have found that self-help is the best way
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Post by tamrin on Nov 9, 2011 23:55:23 GMT 9.5
I have found that self-help is the best way Then why say anything?
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