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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2012 14:02:18 GMT 9.5
You may like to consider the relationship between the inner nature of the Templars and the inner nature of the fish people (fisher king and the annedotus)
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 31, 2012 14:16:30 GMT 9.5
Here's another connection for you: Idries Shah says that a Sufi Master, "Dhul-Nun", whose name means "the Lord of the Fish", was responsible for the re-establishment of ancient Egyptian Freemasonic-type rites back in the eighth or ninth century...I will look it up and find out the exact nature of the connection.
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2012 14:50:48 GMT 9.5
Here's another connection for you: Idries Shah says that a Sufi Master, "Dhul-Nun", whose name means " the Lord of the Fish", was responsible for the re-establishment of ancient Egyptian Freemasonic-type rites back in the eighth or ninth century...I will look it up and find out the exact nature of the connection. A good connection and probably quite accurate. Note that the Widow Isis is sometimes depicted with a fishtail headdress or even a fish on her head
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2012 15:22:30 GMT 9.5
.. It was only a few months later that the business with the "reincarnated Templars" began;.. [/i][/quote] Years ago I knew the Lt Col of a tank regiment. He was into spiritual things. During that time I met a fellow from Switzerland whose nostril shape reminded me of the Lt Col. So I asked him whether the two of them had had past lives together. Oh yes, he said, we were Knights Templar together. I noticed that a tank regiment is the modern equivalent of a troop of armoured knights and that Switzerland uses the colour inverse of the KT cross.
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Post by stewart edwards on Jan 31, 2012 21:37:51 GMT 9.5
there is indeed a living dynamic behind Freemasonry Indeed sekhmet, indeed. Dont forget though that to many a freemason is is no more than a social club, and for all that they get out of membership they can appear to remain a bit blind to this aspect of the Craft. Yet it is there and recognised by at least some other freemasons. The most beautiful bit to me is how the freemasonic energy, this dynamic you mention, is fully active in our world, passively waiting on those who need a signpost get it. Remember some masons are very positive towards what they see as masons without aprons and have no issue at all discussing things with you as an equal, even though others can have heart tremors at the mere thought of such a thing. I look at it a bit like a signpost through time, left by masters of the past ready to guide the way of those who could benefit from it in future times. It can be fun exploring it sekhmet. One final thought, this dynamic you mention. Have you considered the possibility that it is not so much freemasonic per see, but ancient mystery derived, with freemasonry as it is practiced in our world today being but one modern day wrapper for it? Anyhow just some thoughts.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 1, 2012 1:26:35 GMT 9.5
I had a sort of communication with it; it directed my attention to the Square and Compass and said quite clearly to my inner ear: "You will find Me behind this symbol." And it's true; when I need to establish contact, I simply think of the Square and Compass for a few moments. I also was shown a "mudra" (symbolic hand position) to use as well, and I have passed it on to others with great success; it really did connect them to the dynamic as well! Of course I only show it to 'potential Masons"!
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Post by paul on Feb 1, 2012 5:18:31 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Feb 1, 2012 5:19:39 GMT 9.5
....I also was shown a "mudra" (symbolic hand position) to use as well.... I would be interested to see that if you feel so inclined.
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Post by stewartedwards on Feb 2, 2012 2:24:34 GMT 9.5
Glad to hear that I am in good company in my view. An interesting exercise is to look at how the ancient energy flows relating to the mysteries have been developing in our world over the past decade, and how they flow into freemasonry and elsewhere. I find it absolutely facinating to ponder.
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2012 8:35:38 GMT 9.5
.the ancient energy flows relating to the mysteries have been developing in our world over the past decade, and how they flow into freemasonry and elsewhere. ... Many initiates of old are being reborn and as the intensity of light increases in the temple in the heavens, it does not take very much to reactivate ancient understandings held within these reincarnated initiates.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 5, 2012 8:51:44 GMT 9.5
As I myself can personally attest to; I can even offer proof of this, akin to the testimony that AC gave of the circumstances of his initiation into the OTO over the passage he wrote in the Book of Lies, and with equally astonishing temporal anachronisms:
I have already attested on these Masonic sites to my experiences in regard to Freemasonry: how I was told through my "inner vision" that I would "meet up with a band of reincarnated Templars" and how I was to "forge the connection with" the Master of the Temple, and with my own newly acquired status of a initiate in an obscure but still very much alive Buddhist Eastern Tantric Order (the initiation from the lama, remember?)
I was to help him re-establish the Order upon the earth. I was also told that the meeting would come about (but not how) and how I need not worry because "there would be no mistake about any of it.", and until that fateful day on October 13, 2000, when It all "came together" and the Magister templi and I at last locked physical gazes (across a bar; a recurring theme in our relationship!) that "the die was cast" and the work commenced from that day.
I have never told a great deal of what happened subsequent (and prior; and indeed, during) to that event and I assure you: it is a most interesting story of an "archetypal encounter" (like an adult version of "Harry Potter" told from Hermione's viewpoint.) that played itself out on the stage of Malkuth, (quite literally in medieval garb) and in which I was an active participant, playing the role of the archetypal "Fool" in order to disguise my role as the "Magickian" .But I am getting ahead of myself.
The Order did in fact establish itself, and continues to this day, though I have been absent from its actuality lo these many years, I am still very much in touch with the Inner Plane. I will also remark that when I was actively working amongst their numbers, the notion of the Knights Templar was, (and no doubt, still is) met with much loud and hostile disdain among them, but not, fortunately, by the Magister Templi.
If it had been, my task would have been very difficult indeed. There were many there (his second-in-command, for one) who disliked me and I would have been persona non grata very rapodly (sound familiar? ;D) if I had not had the tacit support, backing and encouragement of the Magister Templi.
And yes indeed, I did in fact have something to do with its success; it was my knowledge of the Left-hand Path i.e. the Path of the Grail )that turned the trick.[sic] One cannot establish a "Grail Order" without a Grail Priestess "on staff"after all! Even if she is scrubbing the toilets!
This Magister Templi can attest to the fact that I gave him a large-scale painting that I had done of the Order's school's coat of arms, and in the painting was included the Square and Compass (and one other Square, painted over with "consecrated" gesso prior to painting the coat of arms with 'consecrated paint") and the completed work was charged with the Divine Name(s) appropriate thereto and the angelic Sigil of the Archangels Michael (and one other).
You must understand: the 'Magister Templi' was not at that time a Freemason but he did and does "just happen" to have a tremendous bent for the military history of the 14th century, but oddly enough, the 'Knights Templar' only faintly registered on his radar!
Thus I did not point its presence out to him at the time, although it did not go unnoticed; I recall attending any given event where the painting was on display (some very large and public ones indeed) there was always a few men in the audience noticing that Square and Compass; I knew this because it was placed at the top, and the pointing and whispering was impossible to mistake for anything else..
Thus the whole thing was a sort of "talisman" to cause the dynamic behind Freemasonry i.e "the Temple" to arise from the ashes like the Phoenix one last time and make itself available again, and I requested that if this was indeed happening ,the sign would be that the aforementioned Magister Templi would, of his own free will, assume the Apron and take up his Tools once again to "rebuild the Temple".
I will remark here that I had never mentioned much about Freemasonry to the Magister Templi other than to give him "The Hiram Key"[sic] and "The Second Messiah". as a gift. (I am not sure that 'Uriel's Machine " might not have interested him the most at the time.)
I also was given the perfect pretext to pass on 'the mudra" to him, telling him to use it as a gesture of prayer instead of the default position.. I recall that he expressed skepticism that such a simple thing would work wonders; I guess he knows now!
And yes, he did know about my OTO connection, I made no secert of it. But i also never made any gesture of recruitment other than if he wished to be sponsored, I would certainly stand up for him in that regard. (of course in the latter days, I was deeply relieved that he had never taken me up on that offer!)
He certainly wouldn't have known OTO was Freemasonic in nature.. in fact I myself was hardly aware of it previous to reading "The Confessions of Aleister Crowley" in 2001-2
Within the year (2004) of receiving the gift of the Temple talisman the Magister Templi casually mentioned to me in an e-mail that "you will be interested to know that I have become a Master Mason..."
It was not until the year 2010 that I pointed out to him the Square and Compass that I had painted into the design. But I did not tell him the greater purpose of the talisman. Now he knows.
I am going to tell him of this post so he can come here to read it and it will be then up to him to decide whether or not to reveal himself to you and attest to the veracity of this story.
I will also start my own thread ("Da Rosslyn Code") in which I will give further details, and thus not interfere with this one.
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Post by paul on Feb 5, 2012 10:24:47 GMT 9.5
... he can come here to read it and it will be then up to him to decide whether or not to reveal himself to you and attest to the veracity of this story. It is unnecessary to prove the veracity of your account. Genuine initiates learn to tell the Real from the Unreal. Your brother will be most welcome here and we would be most interested in any matters he wishes to share.
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Post by paul on Feb 7, 2012 15:25:47 GMT 9.5
...as the intensity of light increases in the temple in the heavens, it does not take very much to reactivate ancient understandings held within these reincarnated initiates. About 20 years ago I was visiting Auckland New Zealand and as we drove south over a substantial range of hills I noticed an energy structure over the valley down ahead. It seemed to me a cloud of knowing put there by the Maori tohungas (priests) in the middle of the 19th century. My impression was that their knowledge was being lost and to preserve it they formed an energy field and impressed the knowledge upon that, knowing that in future some Maoris would want the ancient knowledge and be able to connect to that field. The technique of deliberate formation of "skill cubes" is not restricted to the Maori tradition but I have yet to see it occur in Masonry. Perhaps I have not looked in the right places.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 8, 2012 15:07:59 GMT 9.5
If you are aware of the Qabalistic Cube of Space you will have another example of a similar dynamic, in which , like geometry, six different methods and approaches will result in the same conclusion. I do not doubt that such things are accomplished by a group meditation and invocation in the part of the last of the priestly exponents of the tradition.
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Post by paul on Feb 8, 2012 15:37:42 GMT 9.5
I will follow up on that.
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Post by jackjack on Mar 16, 2012 5:07:34 GMT 9.5
Now Henka, be careful of generalizations; I am not a mason either... I think, Paul, that in a sense, certain principles are inculcated from one degree to the next and do not change; for instance, justice and vengeance against evil doers. These are taught from one lecture to the next; some degrees are specifically focused on them while others mention them while discoursing upon some other topic/symbol. So yes, to some "degree" (pun intended), every lecture mentions the main things that are the core values for Freemasonry, whether focusing on it or giving it some some small manner of attention in passing. This is also why some things are just "hidden in plain sight"; the person is surrounded by it the whole time but is not aware that it exists much less its importance or relevance to Freemasonry as a whole. Now as to the rituals? Probably not. However, despite the much swearing that happens in the lodge towards dealing truthfully with your neighbor and "fellow brother", the irony is that the exact opposite occurs. See, you're surrounded by the symbols but you're intentionally misled as to what they mean. You can always look around the initiation room (as I call it) and see the secrets "hidden in plain sight"; you're told a thousand different meanings as to what they mean but as many masons know, you can't believe everything you hear even in the lodge and the meanings for certain symbols are always changing as you progress in Freemasonry. Should you not believe me, just think of the definition for the letter "G".
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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2012 6:15:40 GMT 9.5
Is the ritual in some respects isomorphic (same shape) with aspects of the temple in the heavens? If so resonances may be established.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 16, 2012 9:04:32 GMT 9.5
JJ - you clearly demonstrate with this post that you are not a mason. You may read all the rituals you like but you will not discover what they reveal unless you have properly prepared yourself to receive them.
One of the very first preparations is to be at heart a man or woman of Goodwill.
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Post by jackjack on Mar 20, 2012 19:55:24 GMT 9.5
LorrB: how exactly do you define "Goodwill?"
For me, in regards to defining goodwill, I like the verse about the angels appearing to the shepherds and announcing to them that Jesus Christ appeared in human form, was in a manger, and that He was the Savior of the entire world.
After this, the angelic choir sang a mystery...
"Glory to God in the Highest And on earth, peace Goodwill towards humanity."
They were communicating, very simply, the notion that because of God's affectionate love [goodwill] towards humanity, He sent his son Jesus Christ, whose name means "God with us" to take away the sins of the whole world and through Him alone, eternal life would be obtained. Later, Christ told a parable about Himself called the Parable of the Vineyard; in this allegory, He makes it clear that His authority came from His Father and that out of jealousy the vineyard owners would kill him because they rejected His teachings and the claims He made about Himself.
The fact that Jesus died to atone for the sins of the whole world is something that Christ, God's Spirit, and His disciples taught the people. THAT is something we as Christians should have goodwill towards.
But if we don't have that, how can we say that we have eternal life?
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Post by Henka on Mar 21, 2012 0:02:38 GMT 9.5
LorrB: how exactly do you define "Goodwill?" For me, in regards to defining goodwill, I like the verse about the angels appearing to the shepherds and announcing to them that Jesus Christ appeared in human form, was in a manger, and that He was the Savior of the entire world. After this, the angelic choir sang a mystery... "Glory to God in the Highest And on earth, peace Goodwill towards humanity." They were communicating, very simply, the notion that because of God's affectionate love [goodwill] towards humanity, He sent his son Jesus Christ, whose name means "God with us" to take away the sins of the whole world and through Him alone, eternal life would be obtained. Later, Christ told a parable about Himself called the Parable of the Vineyard; in this allegory, He makes it clear that His authority came from His Father and that out of jealousy the vineyard owners would kill him because they rejected His teachings and the claims He made about Himself. The fact that Jesus died to atone for the sins of the whole world is something that Christ, God's Spirit, and His disciples taught the people. THAT is something we as Christians should have goodwill towards. But if we don't have that, how can we say that we have eternal life? As a Wiccan, I don't believe in original sin, which was added to the Christian belief system in medieval times. We have eternal spirits, or rather, we are eternal spirits, with physical bodies.
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