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Post by Henka on Jan 29, 2012 14:09:35 GMT 9.5
Well, feel free to do so; but if you actually read what I wrote, the "Priory of Sion' is not mentioned anywhere. I didn't say that you wrote "Priory of Sion" anywhere. I'll let you have the last word so you will quit carrying on about it though. I think I'll simply stop commenting here. Sekmet is the go-to expert and adept on everything, so us mere mortals have no need to add our poor observations.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 29, 2012 15:04:34 GMT 9.5
Well, feel free to do so; but if you actually read what I wrote, the "Priory of Sion' is not mentioned anywhere. I didn't say that you wrote "Priory of Sion" anywhere. I'll let you have the last word so you will quit carrying on about it though. I think I'll simply stop commenting here. Sekmet is the go-to expert and adept on everything, so us mere mortals have no need to add our poor observations. >shrug< You must do what you feel to be right, of course. And if my posts don't meet with your approval, then please, that's what the "scroll" function is for.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 8:12:55 GMT 9.5
Sekmet is the go-to expert and adept on everything, so us mere mortals have no need to add our poor observations. Where would we be if Galileo and others at the forefront of knowledge took that stance? A willingness to persevere is necessary if one wishes to qualify for the mysteries and privileges of Freemasonry, or so I was led to believe.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 8:21:27 GMT 9.5
Introducing the PS was a bit of a distraction. So do we have views as to what the genuine secrets might relate? Yes. A hightened consciousness, raising our vibratory rate so that we become consciously aware of other realms (mansions in the Fathers House). Hence the symbolism of the All Seeing Eye. If we are to make camp and work in the valleys it might pay us to try and view the situation from an elevated point even if not from the mountain top.
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2012 8:26:59 GMT 9.5
... raising our vibratory rate so that we become consciously aware of other realms (mansions in the Fathers House). ... So how is that to be achieved?
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 9:38:05 GMT 9.5
Trying to refine our physical, emotional, mental bodies for starters ?
Hence the focus shifting from degree to degree ?
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2012 9:44:53 GMT 9.5
That is certainly true but I am not sure that it qualifies as a secret.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 9:48:32 GMT 9.5
misunderstood your question..
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 30, 2012 11:38:42 GMT 9.5
The "secrets" are the fact of the existence if the "inner and astral realms". The purpose of Freemasonry is to prepare people to encounter them. Most will not do so; they will remain at the level of the 'cowans" but much better prepared than they, since Blue Freemasonry emphasizes moral probity; it is the 'groundwork' for all that comes next.. After all, who wants a selfish lowlife to have the "secrets of the Universe" to twist to his own ends?
Hence the emphasis on 'secrecy" and the lack of anything truly "secret' in the Blue degrees; that way people can be observed for a time and if during that time they do not demonstrate a capacity for keeping secrets and for moral and ethical behaviour, no harm done!
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 12:29:40 GMT 9.5
Sekhmet it is clear to me that you are not a Freemason.
Please treat others with a measure of respect. Your colourful descriptions of others are telling us more about yourself than anyone else.
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Post by Henka on Jan 31, 2012 0:28:49 GMT 9.5
Sekmet, the fact that you see no "secrets" in Antient Craft Masonry indicates that you have no understanding of what is contained therein. Not surprising, as you are not a Mason. No amount of speculation outside of the Craft will transmit that knowledge.
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Post by cwhite on Jan 31, 2012 3:53:31 GMT 9.5
Maybe a clue in the pseudoepigraphical Secretum Secretorum? It mentions a unified science, of which only a person with the proper moral and intellectual background could discover.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 31, 2012 7:14:48 GMT 9.5
Link for those interested in cwhite's post. Good post! www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/02files/Secretum_Secretorum.htmlIt has been my experience, limited though it is, that when one delves deep enough into any religion or mystery school they all tell the one story. That is why it is foolish, imo, for any one religion or school to ridicule another and claim that they are false or don't know anything. Freemasonry is not exempted from this sort of behaviour. Enough. Work together. Grandma has spoken.
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2012 7:57:07 GMT 9.5
..a unified science, of which only a person with the proper moral and intellectual background could discover. Such a science would be recognisable, in part at least, by all genuine inner initiates regardless of tradition. For example, years ago I went to a Qigong presentation. The presenter showed those present a simple means for detecting their general energy levels. Then he waved his hand upwards and the energy levels of the audience rose. When he waved his hand down, the audience found their energy levels dropped.
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2012 8:04:21 GMT 9.5
... Hence the emphasis on 'secrecy" and the lack of anything truly "secret' in the Blue degrees; ... While no genuine secrets are given to the initiate, the ritual is based (more or less) upon the structure of Existence. Thus the genuine initiate is able to recognise known principles when put into practice and also to detect further principles through experiencing subtle effects. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given Matt 13.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 31, 2012 8:32:35 GMT 9.5
While no genuine secrets are given to the initiate, the ritual is based (more or less) upon the structure of Existence. Thus the genuine initiate is able to recognise known principles when put into practice and also to detect further principles through experiencing subtle effects.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given Matt 13.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 31, 2012 8:38:48 GMT 9.5
For example, years ago I went to a Qigong presentation. The presenter showed those present a simple means for detecting their general energy levels. Then he waved his hand upwards and the energy levels of the audience rose. When he waved his hand down, the audience found their energy levels dropped. I went to a Qigong presentation also... I saw him pull the rest of the class towards him and then push them backwards. I was sitting to the side of the class just watching. Amazing to see. My friends who were in the group said they moved involuntarily. Qigong is on my bucket list.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 31, 2012 9:13:57 GMT 9.5
Sekhmet it is clear to me that you are not a Freemason. Please treat others with a measure of respect. Your colourful descriptions of others are telling us more about yourself than anyone else. Actually I wasn't referring to anyone in particular; I was speaking "rhetorically". But, feel free to believe what you want. And it's quite true: I am not a Freemason. But it is also true that Freemasonry came to me, I didn't come to Freemasonry. Obviously 'it' felt I had something to offer.
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2012 9:22:07 GMT 9.5
..Freemasonry came to me, I didn't come to Freemasonry. [/i] Obviously 'it' felt I had something to offer.[/quote] It may be worth distinguishing the outer form of Masonry (lodges and Grand Lodges) from the inner nature of Masonry - a call to service by the GAOTU. The dislocation of outer form of Masonry from its inner nature creates many issues that might need to be resolved by finding new bottles for new wine.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 31, 2012 13:43:45 GMT 9.5
Yes, it was quite astonishing when it happened; I went from a know-nothing to being able to discuss Freemasonry knowledgeably in literally only a few weeks, and this with a good friend who had been doing research into Freemasonry for a few years.
And this came about right after reading "The Hiram Key". This book literally "changed my life", after practically jumping into my hands on its own at an occult bookstore I was browsing through. I saw the Square and Compass on the cover and felt compelled to pick it up, and after reading the back, I bought it, thinking to present it to my friend. But, I ended up reading it myself, and as I said, I was literally "transformed" by it! (Plus, she later told me she had already read it-and had in fact tried to interest me in it the year previously!)
It was only a few months later that the business with the "reincarnated Templars" began; that was right after reading "The Second Messiah" in fact!>shakes head< Even to think about it now, it all felt like my own private re-enactment of "Foucault's Pendulum", but without the murderous adepts on my trail!
Thus I can speak from my own experience; there is indeed a living dynamic behind Freemasonry, that can be contacted with the proper means. I am firmly convinced that a course of meditative discipline on the Tree of Life will fit one to encounter "it", because this is what I was engaged in when all this 'stuff' started to happen.
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