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Post by Henka on Aug 12, 2010 14:15:04 GMT 9.5
My supposition is that time is relative to the consciousness experiencing it. ie when we are in extreme pain we perceive time passing slowly and when we are enraptured time whizzes by without us noticing its passing. There is a saying something along the lines of 'one can measure bliss in seconds, joy in minutes, happiness in days, contentment in years'. True. Time is an illusion, dependent on our observation from an Earth-centric viewpoint. "Time flies when your having fun" because you cease to take notice.
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Post by Henka on Aug 12, 2010 14:18:34 GMT 9.5
Loved your illustration mgc. One question, does the accumulated knowledge in the post death phase hang around in space? According to Cabalistic thought, the personality is sloughed off at the death of the body like the husk of an ear of corn. It exists on the lower astral as a memory, a shell, which can be accessed by spirits who are trapped on that plane. These are the entities that one contacts with a spirit board, pretending to be dear, departed Aunt Matilda.
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Post by mgc on Aug 12, 2010 17:16:52 GMT 9.5
My supposition is that time is relative to the consciousness experiencing it. ie when we are in extreme pain we perceive time passing slowly and when we are enraptured time whizzes by without us noticing its passing. There is a saying something along the lines of 'one can measure bliss in seconds, joy in minutes, happiness in days, contentment in years'. heat or cold is also relative to the consciousness xperiencing it.. 2 ppl that r in the same room could xperience it to be both warm and cool.. that doesnt mean the room isnt at the same temperature.. perhaps it is absorbed by the collective knowledge which imo resides outside of spacetime..
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Post by LorrB on Aug 13, 2010 9:15:45 GMT 9.5
...resides outside of spacetime.. Can't go there, does my head in just trying to think about it
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Post by LorrB on Aug 13, 2010 9:22:44 GMT 9.5
Just realised, from a slightly different perspective your diagram could be illustrated as an ankh.
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Post by mgc on Aug 13, 2010 9:33:44 GMT 9.5
i imagine u could compare 3d time to 4d time as a dot to a line.. in 3d we xperience time as "dots", and in 4d, the entire time line is visible..
i see what u mean..
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Post by paul on Aug 13, 2010 10:01:50 GMT 9.5
>the collective knowledge which imo resides outside of spacetime
More technically, the experiential knowings derived by living entities are stored using the elemental substance of the various planes. In aggregate we may refer to the Lords of Karma who use the substance of the planes as bodies
Accordingly we may deduce that knowledge (and skills) can be transferred independently of individual experience. For example we may "get the hang of it" by hanging around a competent tradesman.
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Post by mgc on Aug 13, 2010 10:23:43 GMT 9.5
stronger still, u can call the spirit of a competent craftsman and use his / her knowledge / skill..
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Post by LorrB on Aug 13, 2010 11:06:38 GMT 9.5
....... and that brings us back to my friend in the SW corner
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Post by LorrB on Aug 13, 2010 11:14:28 GMT 9.5
i imagine u could compare 3d time to 4d time as a dot to a line.. in 3d we xperience time as "dots", and in 4d, the entire time line is visible Funny you should bring this up. Just two days ago a colleague and I were discussing the statement about there being an infinite number of dots in a line. He then drew two lines of different lengths and asked if the statement still holds true. That is a brain teaser. I argued that both lines are only representations of part of THE line about which the original statement was made. ( ;D well it was the only way I could make sense of it.) I shall pass your suggestion on to him and play with his mind... Though provoking suggestion btw.
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Post by mgc on Aug 13, 2010 19:49:13 GMT 9.5
as long as the dots can be measured, there r only infinite dots in an infinite line..
if dots have no size, all lines have infinite dots.. (but it would be very hard to spot 1)
there is no measure of time that is unmeasurable (far as i know)..
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Post by LorrB on Aug 16, 2010 8:31:05 GMT 9.5
.. think you're right (far as I know too)..
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Post by mgc on Aug 17, 2010 23:46:57 GMT 9.5
i see uve already seen what i mean.. the time u xperience is in a 3d fashion (1 bit at a time) and is represented by the vertical with the bottom as the beginning of time and the top as the present.. the circle represents the collective (Spirit whose circumference is Everywhere).. the horizontal bar is the universe in which we can move from side to side..
somehow this makes me wonder what can be found at the center of the universe..
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Post by LorrB on Aug 18, 2010 10:40:51 GMT 9.5
.. a black hole, which is the other side of a big bang white hole ... and can be illustrated by ... and it has just occurred to me that if you put one half on the other to match you would end up with a Yod. How simply beautiful!
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Post by mgc on Aug 18, 2010 12:37:08 GMT 9.5
wouldnt the white "hole" be (or have been) on this side?
u need a certain mass before something becomes a star.. a star needs a certain mass to go supernova.. i think i see a trend here..
suppose a black hole needs a certain mass before a white hole appears on "the other side"..
to me it looks more like a grey tadpole..
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Post by LorrB on Aug 18, 2010 13:10:32 GMT 9.5
u need a certain mass before something becomes a star.. a star needs a certain mass to go supernova.. i think i see a trend here.. ... and what happened to the dinasaurs? Even an elephant is reduced to dust after a period of time. It helps if you think of black and white holes as the same centre of a donut - where both +/- cohabit. Even though our galaxies look flat to us doesnt mean they are. Our eyes can only see a very small part of the spectrum. What happens to Earth when the Sun eats us up. What happens to the Sun when its Centre eats it up? And so on in to the great centre ... I see trend too.
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Post by LorrB on Aug 18, 2010 13:22:35 GMT 9.5
to me it looks more like a grey tadpole.. Yod = God = tadpole Yikes..
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Post by mgc on Aug 18, 2010 21:42:40 GMT 9.5
they got hit by an asteroid
how does this relate to the previous?
how does it help?
our galaxies? (plural?) look flat to us? what happened to the center of the universe?
how does this relate to the previous?
itll melt..
it wont.. our sun isnt big enough to "eat" itself into a black hole.. our sun will end up as a brown dwarf, slowly fading away after it xpelled its outher layers..
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Post by LorrB on Aug 19, 2010 9:31:36 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Aug 19, 2010 9:34:53 GMT 9.5
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