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Post by conflagratorofspirit on Jun 4, 2023 23:10:10 GMT 9.5
Good morning. In my head, I have partially answered these questions to the best of my abilities. Still I am pulled toward the church for reasons I will explain. While I am not interested in the bible anymore I have a desire to share my assumptions and await any responses to help better my understanding.
Question: Why do freemasons attend church knowing what they know?
Because it is where unknowing humans go when they are in need. Be it for food, friendship, love funding, help with hurt/pain or answers in general regarding "GOD", oh and lets not forget potential"recruitment" hahaha
Question: Why pretend to pray?
I imagine, while everyone else has their heads bowed ,their hearts wide open to god and their minds on whatever the hell they are praying for, the masons have their third eyes open and set on inspection(so to speak). Pehaps healing a sick child from a dark force plaguing them or an elderly person that has hooks in their knees. Just a couple of ideas.
So I assume it is a place where they can get the best opportunities to perform "work"?
Anyone wanna touch gloves on this topic? If this can benpost on another thread please let me know andnill copy/paste and then delete this one.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 4, 2023 23:31:15 GMT 9.5
I imagine, while everyone else has their heads bowed ,their hearts wide open to god and their minds on whatever the hell they are praying for, the masons have their third eyes open and set on inspection(so to speak). Pehaps healing a sick child from a dark force plaguing them or an elderly person that has hooks in their knees. Just a couple of ideas. Anyone wanna touch gloves on this topic? Hello Conflagratorofspirit, Be careful with hooks in knees. If you recall Paul identified a hook in my knee, and I worked hard (and I guess ultimately ineffectively) to remove it. Removing it was easy but replacements came thick and fast. So it would be fair comment to say that I lack sufficient skills of the type you are discussing. However, after visiting my doctors surgery, and seeing a physiotherapist, I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis. My oncologist tells me that as my steroids have been reduced, which lowers inflammation, and with less suppression, the inflammation of osteoarthritis appearing is not unexpected.. So here is my challenge to you Conflagratorofspirit, Paul and anyone else here. Are my medically qualified British doctors and physiotherapist wrong?
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2023 5:37:50 GMT 9.5
>Why pretend to pray?
The human contains multiple intelligences. A few intelligences like to be rational and object to recognising higher intelligences.
Other intelligences find comfort in asking for comfort from higher intelligences
Some intelligences just do what they have been trained to do: beg for possibly undeserved support
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2023 5:38:41 GMT 9.5
>Are my medically qualified British doctors and physiotherapist wrong?
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
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Post by conflagratorofspirit on Jun 5, 2023 7:58:35 GMT 9.5
>Other intelligences find comfort in asking for comfort from higher intelligences.
So am I correct in assuming that there are Masonic "healers" that attend church to heal from a distance?
I cant imagine too many Freemasons still believe in the entire heaven/hell situation. I can only assume they attend for the work.
Or am i incorrect in assuming that all freemasons are able to "see" and perform such tasks?
While under the influence ive had friends that arevfreemasons "read my mind" and speak to me exactly ehat i was going to say to them. I believed and still believe that it was a very very high intelligence connectling and speaking through them. There have been times where i assumed it was "god" (the solar logos) and during a stirm when i was raising a very loud rukus, 3 reapers flew over and told me to "sit down and shut the fuck up!" and like that of a scared little child i sat on the steps cowering as if someone or something would have took my light if i wouod have said one singoe word. As the 3 reapers(falcon shaped birds) flew over it was as if they were the death plague that swept over egypt taking the first born. I had never been more terrified in my life. Still they were hunting for something and so how it was because i called them in to remove a darkness of sorts. I assume they got it. Hahaha. Still I'm off track.
I understand that humans go to church tonpray to a higher intelligence for help. My question is why do freemasons? The three men that cam to my home claimed to be Lutheran and attended local lutheran churches (rather proudly(puffed chests) as to act as if i should join their cause). I visited once as they played their little magic show of sunlight through the window during a stormy day . While it through me off and stunned me for a bit, I found that i have my own box of magic tricks as well.
Are all freemasons not "awoke" to the fact that the bible is just a book of ritual and morals? Hell, the harry potter books teach good morals at times and i dont see anyone praying to the almighty Dumbledore.
I just need an understanding of their cause. If its just to go be friendly and help out the poor women and children then ok, but i sense a deeper reason.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 10:18:47 GMT 9.5
>Are my medically qualified British doctors and physiotherapist wrong? When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail Why not just say that in your opinion qualified doctors and physios are wrong?
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 10:24:30 GMT 9.5
Conflagratorofspirit
1. I was once invited by an evangelical church to study with them. I was curious so I went, until they asked me not to come anymore as I was shaking the faith of some of the flock.
2. Part of their ‘duties’ is to save Freemasons from the evil that they are in, or similar. To this day (well a year ago anyway), one of the flock remains convinced that I have dark oaths that bond me to the evils of freemasonry. It would be funny if they weren’t serious.
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2023 15:58:19 GMT 9.5
>Why not just say that in your opinion qualified doctors and physios are wrong?
There are ailments on the various planes of existence. Materialist science/medicine deals with the densests levels of the physical plane.
If the cause (rather than the mechanism) is physical then a physical remedy may be efficient.
If however the broken leg is the result of karmic problems, then splinting the leg may produce physical healing without the human having learned of the real problem
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2023 16:07:33 GMT 9.5
>humans go to church to pray to a higher intelligence for help. My question is why do freemasons?
Although English-speaking Freemasonry is intended to teach spiritual science, it has not done much of that since 1717 when it sought government approval and its mentors moved on to more fertile fields.
Most Freemasons like ritual and singing and eating together as they did in past lives in the monasteries. Many of those brethren belong to churches.
In past generations when Freemasonry was strong in numbers, many joined to advance their careers. For example, where I am, three generations ago, most police were either Masons or Irish.
The few Masons I have found that were serious in spiritual science were active in various spiritual organisations - probably looking for "younger" brethren to assist. Freemasonry was not their primary identity
Now with the ending of the age of Pisces, many social structures are falling away and new forms will be built. Democracy is such an aging structure.
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2023 16:11:30 GMT 9.5
>As the 3 reapers(falcon shaped birds) flew over it was as if they were the death plague
In some traditions various birds are messengers of the gods. It is good to pay attention
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 16:53:29 GMT 9.5
Now with the ending of the age of Pisces, many social structures are falling away and new forms will be built. Democracy is such an aging structure. In other posts you worry about global dictatorship. Is this what you see replacing democracy? Personally I think that democracy matters, but you need to find ways to ensure proper checks and balances so that power doesn’t corrupt, people get what they voted for, and ideology does not overrule data and human decency.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 17:03:36 GMT 9.5
>Why not just say that in your opinion qualified doctors and physios are wrong? If however the broken leg is the result of karmic problems, then splinting the leg may produce physical healing without the human having learned of the real problem I can only talk about myself here, but since I nearly died in 2007 ish, I have spent 16 years wondering why God wanted me to consider returning, which I obviously did even though I really wanted to take that final step. I will admit Paul, that, in the context of a broken leg, I am struggling to comprehend how a human can self heal that. Also in the context of a broken leg how could anyone really know the lesson that they have to learn? I find this a bit baffling. Don’t get me wrong, mental illness I can sort of get, having spent most of my life living with people who have mental illness, from depression to schizophrenia. But a broken leg? Can you give an example of how karmic issues could lead to a broken leg, and how that could be successfully healed without medical intervention please?
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2023 17:19:32 GMT 9.5
Stewart, speed reading is useful but does not always pick up the subtleties >>splinting the leg may produce physical healing without the human having learned of the real problem >a broken leg, and how that could be successfully healed without medical intervention I have been asked to write something about karmic energies taking the path of least resistance towards family members, so this thread seems as good as any. The following approximates my understanding of karma, but being a profound and cosmic subject, I have barely touched the surface. Karma is inescapable. It exists in substance, relationships and awareness. In its simplest form, karma is a disturbance in the substance of any of the planes of existence: physical, emotional, mental, buddhic, etc. Since the planes are ensouled by great intelligences (the Lords of the Planes) those Beings experience discomfort from the karmic disturbances and they push suitable beings towards those disturbances in the hope they will resolve them. The Lords of the Planes seem to be directed in this by higher beings that manage karma in the local cosmos - the Lords of Karma. Now the substance of the planes is used as vehicles for a myriad of smaller beings. For example, a human family/clan (comprising many souls, including those not in incarnation) typically has distortions in its group light body that need resolving and produce discomfort. Thus the group being/soul of the family may seek to reduce its discomfort by moving the nearest suitable member into the distortion to out-work the problem. The group being may not be too fussy. A couple of years ago I was invited to go on a Theosophical Society camping weekend. While there I walked into a black guy rope and tore off a couple of ligaments in my left foot - taking chips off the bones where they were attached. I wondered about this and eventually concluded that there was some group karma of that TS group that I had wandered into. About 2 weeks later the fellow who invited me had an almost identical injury to his foot (the left as I recall) from a falling object. Since then I have been careful as to with which groups I connect. It is possible to resolve personal karma, but family/group and national karma take a long time - substantially because mostly it is still being generated. I suspect that car crashes tend to be karmic. North of here some years ago, around dusk on four lane road with a wide grass section separating the directions, a young man driving a ute crossed over the dividing strip and collided with an on-coming car. Both drivers were killed. They were father and son. Long ago I had a dream of being in a large prison camp. One of the inmates had broken a rule but I was the one punished. It was most unfair. When I woke up I asked inwardly what was that about. They replied: when an offense is committed by a member of a group, the fault is incurred by the group. It makes no difference which member of the group receives the punishment.
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2023 17:45:22 GMT 9.5
>In other posts you worry about global dictatorship. Is this what you see replacing democracy?
I am not much of a worrier.
There are certainly groups including human that would like centralised control such as a dictatorship but the human race is asserting itself and with support from its stellar ancestors the human race should being doing well by 2080
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 19:04:24 GMT 9.5
Fair comment Paul.
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Post by conflagratorofspirit on Jun 5, 2023 20:56:26 GMT 9.5
>Thus the group being/soul of the family may seek to reduce its discomfort by moving the nearest suitable member into the distortion to out-work the problem.
Paul, will the flame exercise assist in preventing the group being/soul from trying to sacrifice you? Meaning, is it possible to avoid the karmic activity pushed towards you and let the lower assholes that push you tonit "take the fall" so to speak.
Through meditation is it possible to speak with/contact the lords of the planes? They apparently know of me since they have placed so much karma on me through my "soul family"
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 21:28:17 GMT 9.5
Conflagratorofspirit
Philosophical question, if you are the « nearest suitable member » surely it would be best to take the experience and try to resolve the issue while growing from it?
Harsh reality. I understand. It is tough, heartbreaking at times, and there can seem no end to the gut wrenching difficulties.
Paul, Conflagratorofspirit, I am currently trying to reduce my, fairly minimal, prescription painkiller use and am « currently enjoying » withdrawal symptoms. So please forgive any change in my behaviour in recent days. Sadly I think that I might have to accept that I need them to err umm kill pain.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 21:35:16 GMT 9.5
>In other posts you worry about global dictatorship. Is this what you see replacing democracy? I am not much of a worrier. There are certainly groups including human that would like centralised control such as a dictatorship but the human race is asserting itself and with support from its stellar ancestors the human race should being doing well by 2080 I for one would love to see a true United Nations/Earth Union/United States of Earth. Each nation with its own way, laws, etc, all working together for the common good. I don’t jest when I say my dream job was Secretary General of the United Nations. Better than a rock star! This was something that I had high hopes for (a more United Earth, not me being SG, which I don’t think a Brit, as a permanent member of the security council is eligible for) around the millennium. Sadly division seems to rule at the moment.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 5, 2023 23:43:31 GMT 9.5
Conflagratorofspirit I don’t want to divert your important thread, but as your thread has inspired this, I will post here. After making my post two above (while bearing in mind withdrawal symptoms)… 1. I was slammed into a chair and levitated off centre above the Great Pyramid. 2. Before the energy emanating from the pyramid slammed me above Temple Mount, Isreal. Hovering in a light beam. 3. As I hovered I was rotating looking globally at what seemed to be a chequered pavement covering this planet, in quarters ish. As I turned the chequered pavement rotated around the planet with me. 4. After a while I realised that I could ascend vertically. 5. Another person soon crashed into the back of me, also in a chair. Funnily enough I thought it was you Paul. 6. He/she stayed a while as we revolved the chequered pavement again moving in unison. 7. The craft/portal/? Above the energy beam was rather bright on the inside. 8. It was a very comforting place where my withdrawal symptoms temporarily disappeared. 9. Now that I have descended I can still feel all those energy connections much more strongly than previously. I have never felt the horizontal transportation before. But I can still surf it. 10. I might be nuttier than a fruit cake, but wow, and all from replying to Conflagratorofspirit. Anyone any thoughts? (That are polite enough to share ). Conflagratorofspirit you have a powerful energy.
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Post by paul on Jun 6, 2023 8:16:20 GMT 9.5
>will the flame exercise assist in preventing the group being/soul from trying to sacrifice you? Since the Logos of this solar system is "a god of love", the establishment of right relationship internally and externally is the first step to standing clear of personal and group karma. As this is achieved, it is possible to ask the Lords of Karma to release you from personal and group karma. Systemic and galactic karma is another matter. >Through meditation is it possible to speak with/contact the lords of the planes? As you practice the 21 steps you become familiar with the bodies used by the Lords of the Planes. Combined with the heart flame exercise you then assist the LotP with the healing of their bodies. This makes them disposed to consider your requests. a406.proboards.com/thread/973/21-steps-enlightenment
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