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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 8:30:17 GMT 9.5
I would like to add good/right vs. bad/wrong is what I think limits the expanse of organized religion. We cannot claim what is seen through the eyes of the creator.
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Post by paul on Jul 18, 2018 8:58:00 GMT 9.5
Certainly there are times of necessary destruction and that can look worse to those that are being destroyed than to those that come after.
In the Gita were are told: He who acts giving over all actions to the universal Being, abandoning attachment, is untouched by sin as a lotus leaf by water.
There have been however many humans that were filled with their love of their own god (as they imagined that god) and claimed that their actions were holy. They did not seem to understand the role of the human race within the cosmos and that a functional human race is the immediate goal of our endeavors.
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 9:12:19 GMT 9.5
Certainly there are times of necessary destruction and that can look worse to those that are being destroyed than to those that come after. In the Gita were are told: He who acts giving over all actions to the universal Being, abandoning attachment, is untouched by sin as a lotus leaf by water. There have been however many humans that were filled with their love of their own god (as they imagined that god) and claimed that their actions were holy. They did not seem to understand the role of the human race within the cosmos and that a functional human race is the immediate goal of our endeavors. Agree on all accounts.
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 9:54:04 GMT 9.5
I think unlocking this conundrum is key to our advancement as a human race. I am totally dumb struck though, so many options it makes my head hurt. Again no bread crumbs to follow.
I am trying to think what one thing we could associate to light, be it emotion or thought.
If light is energy(sun), darkness would be mass(Earth). Connecting to the Earth as you do in heaven? Close maybe, I have pondered the Earth in complete harmony. A pipe dream but we cannot say what would occur in such an occasion. All I do know is it would be astounding.
If light is life (body), darkness would be death (spirit). Connecting our body to our spirit to achieve eternal peace.
If light is consciousness (brain), and darkness is body (physical mass). It would be connecting our brain to our bodies potential, to achieve higher levels of awareness or value. I think this is our current state though and moving ALLOT but just not together (one space).
Any other thoughts?
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 10:59:48 GMT 9.5
After rethinking my last post I came to a new conclusion. Every aspect of darkness needs an equalizing light. Our personal darkness's: depresion, anger, indifference, denial, exclusion, all the things minds can trap you in. They grow and fester into things like murder, suicide, greed, lust, etc... The trappings of our minds have always been the thing to hold us back.
I had been going on about about all these dualities, but I had forgot to mention the third requirement for existence and each are equally important. The observer. If no memory exists of something happening out there somewhere, then it cant be said to have ever really happened to begin with. Like my avatar "the double slit experiment". The creator would be our observer. Father, son, and holy spirit.
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Post by paul on Jul 18, 2018 12:47:54 GMT 9.5
I would suggest that you consider the proper functions of dark energy. Some of these are well known to parents.
Thus the child is born physically helpless but mostly determined to survive. The energy of survival is dark. The baby demands whatever is necessary for its survival: food, attention, physical care - so that it can build its physical body. It has no interest in the parent's need for sleep.
Most babies, when their needs are met, are able to show pleasure and joy that is clearly filled with light when interacting with the parents
As the baby becomes a child the parents usually teach the child to moderate its self-centered dark energy. They teach sharing, asking politely, waiting its turn, and helping others.
Most children learn to increase the flow of light but some do not learn and those are often regarded as spoiled.
Thus the dark energy needed to survive is very strong at first but later should be modified and the light energy should be stronger.
On the other hand the parents have turned down their dark energies in order to serve the child. If they overdo this they tend to burn out - missing out on sleep and psychological regeneration. It is even worse for the mother if still in physical shock from the birth as this often results in post-natal depression.
Thus in the adult both excess dark energy and excess light energy can lead to adverse consequences. Both conditions therefore may be seen as evil. Hence we get to a definition of evil as the behavioral result of long term imbalance of light and dark energies.
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Post by paul on Jul 18, 2018 12:52:29 GMT 9.5
>forgot to mention the third requirement for existence and each are equally important. The observer.
It does seem that there is a third polarity - although perhaps not as an observer.
With the polarity of light and dark, does there exist a neutral force?
Does Existence need a neutral force to slow the swings between excess light and excess dark?
Is a neutral force needed to provide stability so that manifested Existence may be established?
Where does the human race fit?
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 13:35:23 GMT 9.5
"I would suggest that you consider the proper functions of dark energy. Some of these are well known to parents."
I do consider them believe me. I did and do learn much being a father as well you arent lyin. My path is to keep moving forward, not picking sides.
I am not sure all defects are meant to be dark in purpose or result. They are just seen that way because of what they dont have or cant do. A good example is Hawking. Another is myself, I was diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia when I was 11.
I was put in special ed classes and wasnt allowed to go to D.C. with the rest of my class when graduating 8th grade. Even though I was treated differently because of this, and I was told I am less then normal. They both became my larger strengths.
My ADHD gives me quicker thought processing as well as ability to hold multiple thought trains at one time.
My dyslexia has given me the ability to see things from a different angle then most. I am able to see one object from many perspectives naturally. Also it will fill in things in a correct order even if thats not what im thinking.
When I was tested I was given a picture puzzle to solve. I completed it quickly I thought and gave it back. I was told it was wrong. After a couple minutes I gave up. Two somewhat obvious pieces were pointed out to me were in the wrong spots. My mind just put them in the order that made sense.
Of course I also will have times my mind thinks one word and I say another. Only certain words though, its strange cause they have usually little connection with each other.
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 13:43:09 GMT 9.5
>forgot to mention the third requirement for existence and each are equally important. The observer. It does seem that there is a third polarity - although perhaps not as an observer. With the polarity of light and dark, does there exist a neutral force? Does Existence need a neutral force to slow the swings between excess light and excess dark? Is a neutral force needed to provide stability so that manifested Existence may be established? Where does the human race fit? Applying it to a trinity -0+, God would be neutral as an observer as do humans in the same respect. We consciously decide an action and then observe as it unfolds.
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Post by paul on Jul 18, 2018 14:04:26 GMT 9.5
>God would be neutral as an observer
So no Divine Will to worry about?
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Post by fjrogers on Jul 18, 2018 14:25:02 GMT 9.5
All things have their negative aspect. I imagine it does have a role.
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 14:25:16 GMT 9.5
>God would be neutral as an observer So no Divine Will to worry about? I could be wrong about this, but I feel the only will God imparted was life. He set us up in a place of his design to live a life of our choosing. The rest is up to us and we are victim only to our own devices or natural disasters. With this though we all suspect humans have life after death. Its possible spiritual activity is seen as divine will or intervention. Perhaps when enough spirits are involved it appears this way. Or if the spirit is "emanating God's glory" would be seen as Gods source. Again, I could be wrong but it is my leading suspicion on the subject.
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 14:33:38 GMT 9.5
All things have their negative aspect. I imagine it does have a role. It seems pointless to have it at all if it doesnt, right? Light/dark have to be equal and opposite for a reason.
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Post by paul on Jul 18, 2018 15:56:05 GMT 9.5
>I feel the only will God imparted was life. He set us up in a place of his design to live a life of our choosing.
And yet so many people report strange coincidences that saved them from death that there must be something going on.
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Post by sammy on Jul 18, 2018 22:01:09 GMT 9.5
>I feel the only will God imparted was life. He set us up in a place of his design to live a life of our choosing. And yet so many people report strange coincidences that saved them from death that there must be something going on. As far as I know we cannot say for sure who was met in death. God may well be a spiritual referee. It could also be God will interact but not interject allowing enough perspective to come back to their body. It could also be a guiding spirit. Or it could be many guiding spirits seen as one. As i said I cannot say for sure.
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Post by paul on Jul 19, 2018 6:11:22 GMT 9.5
There is a part of the Bhagavad Gita that goes something like this: Having pervaded Existence with a fragment of Myself, I remain.
Most religions however prefer to think in terms of humanoid gods.
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Post by sammy on Jul 19, 2018 9:40:30 GMT 9.5
There is a part of the Bhagavad Gita that goes something like this: Having pervaded Existence with a fragment of Myself, I remain. Most religions however prefer to think in terms of humanoid gods. Perhaps I am explaining this wrong. Lets say right now in this form and intellect you are suddenly given the seat the creator holds. A literal unending number of people want you to guide them. At surface looks honorable and worth while, but if you agree to this, it also now makes you personally responsible for the success for every spirit and/or body. Even if the person admits it is their own fault you would still feel responsible for the failure. Also how would you have time to reach and teach every single person along the way? Take the pope as example. Then lets say you do it anyway. You help one person, and another person sees this or hears about it. They now pray for something they want but not need. Because they saw instant ratification to a loss. If you didnt do it, that would show bias. The person who got the miracle might even just think God loves them more then the other, and both would see it this way. In my own life, with my theory. I want it to reach everyone, and help give everyone guidance. I also know I personally cannot do this. Make it reach each person from their own perspective would be impossible. It would take my entire lifetime to do this with even 2 or 3 people. You would have to respond to every question at every turn to fully complete the task. Then lets say you do it anyway. You answer every question and prayer, the way you best see fit. Could you say they had done it freely? In their own free will? You dictated every step, so no independence was gained either. You would also have to perpetually maintain it. These are some reasons I say God hit play and sat down in front of the TV for some good R&R. I kind of have through the looking glass questions. Is God the only being of his race? Did he have a family maybe that he lost and was the sole survivor? Perhaps rewrote the code to be fail safe so it could never happen again? Does the creator have the most knowledge based solely on the fact he has had the most time to think about it all? Does he interact to grow on his own knowledge?
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Post by sammy on Jul 19, 2018 10:11:36 GMT 9.5
I would like to point out this is just one perspective im floating.
There is also the perspective of God is in all and always everywhere. Deploying his will among the angels when he wants things done. Taking out his wrath on the wicked. This is also seen as karma too. This reaction, regardless the source, does appear to be real in my opinion.
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Post by sammy on Jul 19, 2018 10:43:20 GMT 9.5
Another possible perspective I caught onto that I had never considered before.
If God is always interacting with us, but his image is limited to our own will and knowledge. Changing his character depending on the person. This would tie into being light/dark.
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Post by paul on Jul 19, 2018 12:03:02 GMT 9.5
>It would take my entire lifetime to do this with even 2 or 3 people. You would have to respond to every question at every turn to fully complete the task. Similarly the typical human body has about 40 000 000 000 000 cells, each of which has an intelligence. The human manages to nurture, respond to and direct all those cells without even noticing most of the time. It is only when quite a lot of cells go bad that the human consciousness is engaged, and even then the human often does not know what to do. >Is God the only being of his race? In most religions there is a family of gods - even if the female is obscured by a spirit. But such beings are not the source of Existence. >Taking out his wrath on the wicked. "for I, Adonai your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the parents, also the third and fourth generation of those who hate me" www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%205:8-10&version=CJBNotice the term "your God". This suggests that other peoples have other Gods. Notice also his self-description as "a jealous God" indicating that he is just one of many gods. "“I am Adonai your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the abode of slavery. ב 3 “You are to have no other gods before me." www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20:2-4&version=CJB>also the perspective of God is in all and always everywhere. It may be worth distinguishing between Divinity that exists before Existence and the localized divinities that are the object of most religions. Thus God and god may refer to different beingnesses. >his image is limited to our own will and knowledge Does Man make religions in his own image?
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