What gods can be followed?

[paul]

Traditionally in the West we follow a god of love. e.g. 1 John 4:16 God is love.

But what are the options? Are there gods that are not gods of love?

[stepnwolf]

Well, Jehovah seems to be a self-admitted vengeful god, always smiting or telling his worshipers to smite various and sundry folks. The tradition has been passed down to some of his followers today who consign to hell those who do not follow the straight and narrow, as they see it.

At first glance, Siva in Hinduism doesn't appear to be such a nice god, but carries the idea of purification through transformation. Not a bad thing, really.

[paul]

St Paul tells us that there are many lords and gods both in heaven and in earth making four categories.

There must be many choices.

[paul]

"Shalim (derived from the triconsonantal Semitic root S-L-M, and also romanized as Shalem, Salem, and Salim) was the name of a god in the Canaanite religion pantheon, mentioned in inscriptions found in Ugarit (Ras Shamra) in Syria.[1][2] William F. Albright identified Shalim as the god of dusk, and Shahar as god of the dawn.[3] In the Dictionary of deities and demons in the Bible, Shalim is also identified as the deity representing Venus or the "Evening Star," and Shahar, the "Morning Star"." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalim

"The name “Jerusalem” is variously etymologised to mean "foundation (Sumerian yeru, ‘settlement’/Semitic yry, ‘to found, to lay a cornerstone’) of the god Shalem"," en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#Etymology

Thus Jerusalem is the city of the god Shalim.

Further SLM gives us Shlomo (Solomon) so was KST actually the temple of the god SLM - representing the Morning Star?

[paul]

>some of us serve a lesser god, until we discover infinite wisdom and love,

That may take some time.

It seems that the Norse gods still have followers. A local bike gang is called Odin's Warriors

www.odin1.com/


It may be that the Norse gods are the same as the Greek, Roman and Egyptian gods - just with local names.

[paul]

>So if God was to recycle, what would you do if you were IT and wanted to go into the abyss of life and and regenerate,

The Solar Logos is reputedly in His second incarnation as the logos of this system - and now is a God of love.

In his next incarnation He will apparently be a God of Will. (cf the millstone for lukewarm Christians)

The humanoid gods are vastly lesser beings but still have followings amongst Earth humans.

[paul]

In my view the gods are not much more than humans - they can interbreed with humans (i.e. are related species) and had morals that are behind modern human standards.

[stewartedwards]

Feb 25, 2013 0:55:37 GMT 9.5 foxfires said:

I share this because of the extreme difficulties of not lying as human

Indeed any policeman will tell you this, it matters not if you are a criminal or a politician (mind you over here our politicians are still being prosecuted through the courts, and being exposed for all sorts of poor behaviour regularly). Being true of voice is a prerequisite to progress though it can make it difficult to "fit in" to society as at the extreme you will upset a lot of people. Mind you even when you do tell the truth (masons mainly in my own experience - go figure) simply dont believe you.

and how lonely it becomes when people are egocentric and they need to be stroked to be happy,

Well loneliness is a terrible place to be, but it is part of life experience and without it you dont really appreciate how your little cog fits in (if you work through it). Mind you working through loneliness is very difficult and heart wrenching, but it is a common experience. I was lonely during most of my childhood so i do understand this. Even today i prefer my own company in many ways but it is amazing how much you can learn about the human race from the perspective of being lonely. I would imagine also that most truly great leaders are a bit lonely for they have to retain a certain distance from those around them if they want to avoid nepotism etc. For me I would see how I could grow from the life situation.

and telling the truth to a female usually means they are not interested in being with you

Equally for a true, as opposed to merely a physical connection, the exact opposite could easily be true.

[LorrB]

.... gosh I must be a man.

Diamonds don't do much for me, I rather like emeralds, jade and opal but am quite happy to just admire them whereever I see them.

Loved horseriding and used to race across paddocks with the station hands - but for me it was more a feeling of being freed up from relative immobility ... four legs can help you fly... and generally speaking horses are intelligent beings, one can communicate with them.

Maybe some women are as you perceive them foxfires, but not all I am happy to report.

[paul]

The uncontrolled love of glitter and gold (e.g. gold fever) seems to be associated with 7.3 - one of the lower etheric subplanes.

Once that desire has been controlled there may be uncontrolled desire for beautiful objects (on 7.2) - e.g. a life spent collecting antiques.

Once desire for beauty is brought under control, the would-be initiate needs to control the desire for power on 7.1.

Having done that, in principle they have controlled the full range of desires associated with matter, so that they know by experience that they must be more than matter - and thereby that Spirit is real.

[LorrB]

Hidden in plain sight ... when someone points it out, it is so easy to see and understand.

Thanks paul!

[paul]

There are certainly worse gods to follow than Viracocha.

So that is one form of god to be followed - a humanoid subject to mortality.

"Alexander reached Babylon in 331 BC, and entered the city riding in his chariot. In the sacred precinct he rushed to the Esagil ziggurat temple to grasp the hands of Marduk as conquerors before him had done. But the great god was dead. According to the pseudo-sources, Alexander saw the god lying in a golden coffin, his body immersed (or preserved) in special oils...." humanpast.net/files/sitchin2.htm

And the Greek gods were also subject to age and death.

Are there other entities known as gods that might be followed?

[paul]

>any human who drops judgement and practices unconditional love can become as they were

Possibly so, although one might like to be a bit selective as to the gods one imitated. Some gods had rather poor morality by modern standards.


So are there entities known as gods that are not humanoid?

[paul]

>the going gets tough and the Pope hands in his ring

The first pope to make it out alive for centuries.

[paul]

>Example Small Pox and Black death and HIV all have the same attack vectors

The Black Death (Great Plague) was very strange in its propagation with many accounts of a black mist and black figures that apparently were spraying immediately before the disease struck - and indeed coincident accounts of flying craft. And the sequence of towns struck is not consistent with the patterns of trade.

Further, there has been recent analysis of the genetic material involved in the Great Plague and it seems to have not had closely related forebears and apparently disappeared immediately.

A planned intervention?

[LorrB]

One of my grandsons has cystic fibrosis, and I was told that this disease can be traced back to the time of the Plague. Some genetic material was altered at that stage.

[paul]

>what we call god might just be future humans

Quite possibly so. It seems possible to move along and across time lines.

Still however there are more entities than humanoids that appear to some humans as gods.

[paul]

>Einstein Rosen bridge

Once I visited a worm hole with a meditation group in Australia. The worm hole seemed to me to be at the base of a rock wall in a quarry. It seemed to connect to Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh. One of the women stood next to me as I stepped a few feet into it. A woman observing us said that we disappeared but no one else in the group said anything.

From my perspective I was aware of some energy structure but the physical world still looked the same.