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Post by blackdragon1 on Jan 5, 2012 23:36:03 GMT 9.5
I have mentioned elsewhere in this forum about esoteric codes captured in virtually all strata of human activity for quite a while. While watching the Harry Potter 7 part 2(last in the series)..and a number of things caught my fancy-:
(1) There are 7 novels for the Harry Potter series (2) There are 7 series in the movie(Series 7 divided into 2 parts) (3) There are curiously numerous presentations of the code 7 in the movie..7 serpents arranged in a circle.....the elder wand(ultimate magic wand) looks like a bamboo stick and has 7 knots/knobs
In Indian mysticism, the human spine and 7 classical chakras are symbolised by a bamboo stick with 7 knots/knobs...thus linking this symbol to the kundalini
Hence the powerful wand(the wand of all wands, that grants ultimate magical powers to ite weilder) in the Harry Potter movie is a coded symbol for the Kundalini..
So it seams that JK Rowling is teaching us/our kids (in highly cryptic manner) about the Great Work(Magnum Opus)....interesting what we can pick up from hollywood
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Post by paul on Jan 6, 2012 7:26:36 GMT 9.5
"the idea for a story of a young boy attending a school of wizardry " came fully formed" into her mind.................. " I really don't know where the idea came from. It started with Harry, then all these characters and situations came flooding into my head."" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._RowlingThis might be relevant to the thread: Whose thought is that?
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Post by Henka on Jan 6, 2012 15:10:14 GMT 9.5
"the idea for a story of a young boy attending a school of wizardry " came fully formed" into her mind.................. " I really don't know where the idea came from. It started with Harry, then all these characters and situations came flooding into my head."" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._RowlingThis might be relevant to the thread: Whose thought is that? Here we go again! It was hers! Ideas seem as though they spring full blown from nothing, but in actuality they are the result of many diverse sources, which we process subconsciously, coalescing into a cogent idea.
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Post by brandt on Jan 6, 2012 16:10:19 GMT 9.5
Ignorance of how things works can make anything look like magic.
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Post by paul on Jan 6, 2012 18:56:38 GMT 9.5
No doubt she read similar stories and made a composite - very quickly while waiting for the train to arrive. Oddly though, I seem to recall a court found that that did not happen and her material is original. Are we then able to give any credence at all to her account of her own mental processes as a creative writer? Have any other creative writers/artists reported similar events where large amounts of material "came flooding in" "fully formed" from "I really don't know where"?
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Post by stewartedwards on Jan 6, 2012 23:57:09 GMT 9.5
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Post by brandt on Jan 7, 2012 2:39:27 GMT 9.5
He was wrong too, and was most likely trying to manipulate the evangelical wing of the Republican party.
The idea was her's and did not come from an alien, angel, demon, or other external force. It was the product of her own cognitive processes. Why is that so disappointing?
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Post by stewartedwards on Jan 7, 2012 3:58:14 GMT 9.5
Brant I agree with you, he was most probably trying to get evangelical support. However he still said it, a global leader.
As an amateur writer myself I know how I can have months of very creative writing, followed by extensive droughts, the old writers block so to speak. As far as know most writers go through the same, except possibly those whose livelihoods depend upon it and have to write daily.
Now do I think that an alien entity puts the words into my head? No. But sometimes, when I am writing enthusiastically, I do feel that the light is shining upon me. What interests me more though is the fact, that Paul I think once mentioned, that there is a long track record of folk from Edinburgh churning out esoteric stuff, right from at least Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde days, through Harry Potter, up to and including though in a much more amateurish way, myself. The next big place for it I suppose is Oxford, which I am local too nowadays, with Alice, Lord of the Rings, etc. Coincidence possibly but still worthy of thought.
There are plenty of people in the religious world who will tell you that it is possible to converse with angels and even God. More in the new age community, and even more throughout history. So it is not as daft a notion as it may appear, whether it is correct or not. And does it really matter what explanation people give to the creative process? What matters is that the creation happens.
Anyhow back to Harry Potter, it is so full of esoterics teachings, when you strip it down, that I myself would love to have a chin wag with her to find out how the esoteric knowledge/lore got into her books.
Before I forget the easiest way I have to explain, the concepts that I think Paul is discussing, at its most simplest - consider a time when you wanted to do something that you knew was wrong (eg as a child wanting to steal a sweet or whatever) - part of you wanted to do it, and part of you no doubt told you that it would be wrong to do so. You would consider both "feelings" and make your decision. Are these both parts of you or aliens on your shoulders etc. It does not really matter, what matters is that you are able to pick apart these different "energy flows/motivations" as you learn about yourself.
Remember most major religions have a core teaching somewhere that "God spoke to me/God told me what to do" and when global leaders say that this happens to them it does offer pause for thought.
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Post by brandt on Jan 7, 2012 4:19:18 GMT 9.5
It is remarkable the tripe that spews from the mouths of political leaders. We could have an entire other thread that lasted for years and not even scratch the surface.
I am a horrible writer, every piece that I write has to be subjected to tortuous and repeated revision to make it approximate something that could be read. Of course I don't write fiction books, just empirical material.
Since we were discussing the process and/or origin of the Harry Potter books it isn't a matter of the results. The results are clear, the author did write the books and they were published. She made a good deal of money from the book sales and good for her.
There are a lot of people that say a lot of things. A statement does not make it true.
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Post by paul on Jan 7, 2012 6:35:32 GMT 9.5
... I am a horrible writer, every piece that I write has to be subjected to tortuous and repeated revision .. Beethoven was like that but of course Mozart was the complete opposite and apparently never had to write a rough draft - every piece being perfect at the moment of perception.
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Post by blackdragon1 on Jan 7, 2012 6:52:49 GMT 9.5
"the idea for a story of a young boy attending a school of wizardry " came fully formed" into her mind.................. " I really don't know where the idea came from. It started with Harry, then all these characters and situations came flooding into my head."" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._RowlingThis might be relevant to the thread: Whose thought is that? Here we go again! It was hers! Ideas seem as though they spring full blown from nothing, but in actuality they are the result of many diverse sources, which we process subconsciously, coalescing into a cogent idea. could the diverse sources also include energies external to ourselves..as well as our immediate environments? If man exists on multiple planes at the same time, what is so impossible in accepting the possibility that a thought or and idea could come from a "citizen" of the higher planes? many years ago(almost 20yrs), while "dabbling" into meditation, i assumed a lotus position and drifted into hypnagogic state...and suddenly saw a man's face in the screen inside my head(around the 3rd eye region)....the man also seemed to be in a state of meditation as well....and our mental frequencies synchronized.....i was so startled, that i was jolted out of my meditative state of mind...as our mental link broke...i heard him saying "wait!"..."wait". Yeah I know people would believe that I was imagining things...but i doubt it...have never had such an experience since then Also in my early twenties, I used to practise sending thoughts to my girlfriend at night...then would ask her about her dreams the next day...and got an identical feedback to what i sent I once did an experiment with a male friend while i was in my 20s...i stared at a candle flame, while he lay on his bed trying to sleep(passive state)..i held a thought in my mind and tried to project it to him...he picked up my exact thought just before drifting off to sleep so i really do understand what Paul means when he says "whose thought is that"...
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Post by Henka on Jan 7, 2012 7:01:15 GMT 9.5
No doubt she read similar stories and made a composite - very quickly while waiting for the train to arrive. Oddly though, I seem to recall a court found that that did not happen and her material is original. Are we then able to give any credence at all to her account of her own mental processes as a creative writer? Have any other creative writers/artists reported similar events where large amounts of material "came flooding in" "fully formed" from "I really don't know where"? Here we go again! It was hers! Ideas seem as though they spring full blown from nothing, but in actuality they are the result of many diverse sources, which we process subconsciously, coalescing into a cogent idea. Why is this so difficult to accept?
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Post by brandt on Jan 7, 2012 7:16:10 GMT 9.5
... I am a horrible writer, every piece that I write has to be subjected to tortuous and repeated revision .. Beethoven was like that but of course Mozart was the complete opposite and apparently never had to write a rough draft - every piece being perfect at the moment of perception. I am certainly no Mozart.
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Post by brandt on Jan 7, 2012 7:18:10 GMT 9.5
Henka, it is difficult for some to accept because the natural wonder of the universe is just not enough to satisfy fantasies. The universe, in all of its aspects, it amazing. Just in my field I never tire or get bored.
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Post by paul on Jan 7, 2012 8:47:04 GMT 9.5
Perhaps it is difficult to accept only for those whose experience is contrary to the belief that all thoughts are internal.
I recall many years ago I was spending some years without an income and wondered about whether I had enough money. I then had the "thought": The amount of money you have is more exact than you can imagine.
I noted this strange "thought" but there was nothing to be done.
About 3 years later, I re-entered the commercial world and had received my first pay. I bought a used car that had a particular synchronicity and as I drove away with $10 to my name until next pay, I recalled that strange thought from years before.
Whose thought was that?
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Post by brandt on Jan 8, 2012 2:54:32 GMT 9.5
It was your thought.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jan 8, 2012 3:03:31 GMT 9.5
There are a lot of people that say a lot of things. A statement does not make it true. Indeed but if the President of the United States says that God talks to him and tells him to wage war, then who are we mere mortals to disbelieve him? Consider the religions, many are awaiting Christ to return, now if the religions are correct and as a matter of fact people in the past have spoke to God andhe has sent his prophets here, then why not again? Unless of course religion is merely make believe nonsense. I mean, on a more physical level, how many children have spoken about being raped and brutalised and not believed, yet it has turned out to be true? How many people in our history have realised that their science was wrong and that a new science is needed and been tortured and imprisoned for heresy, or in more modern times ridiculed and sidelined, on occassioned careers no doubt ruined by people who thought that they knew better, only to find in later years the rest of the world catches up with the truth? Just because something may be outwith ones comfort zone, or seems impossible, does not necessart make it wrong. It may well be, but not necessarily so.
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Post by brandt on Jan 8, 2012 3:31:49 GMT 9.5
I am not concerned with my comfort zone. If the President of the United States says that he spoke to God and was told to wage war then they guy should have his head examined.
Science, our corpus of knowledge, isn't something that should casually be set aside in favor or oddities of thought that have no evidence or effects in the world. Religion, at least the religion as a club, is nonsense. Clinging to ancient superstition when it has been disproven is nonsensical.
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Post by paul on Jan 8, 2012 6:20:20 GMT 9.5
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Post by Henka on Jan 8, 2012 7:03:25 GMT 9.5
Perhaps it is difficult to accept only for those whose experience is contrary to the belief that all thoughts are internal. I recall many years ago I was spending some years without an income and wondered about whether I had enough money. I then had the "thought": The amount of money you have is more exact than you can imagine. I noted this strange "thought" but there was nothing to be done. About 3 years later, I re-entered the commercial world and had received my first pay. I bought a used car that had a particular synchronicity and as I drove away with $10 to my name until next pay, I recalled that strange thought from years before. Whose thought was that? Yours, in both instances, and totally unrelated - except as you choose to connect them to prove some point.
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