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Post by brandt on Nov 18, 2011 14:39:28 GMT 9.5
Steve Jobs also had a research department that required empirical evidence. Just sayin.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2011 15:00:08 GMT 9.5
...and his research department used to constantly tell him that what he wanted could not be done. Just sayin  |
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Post by brandt on Nov 19, 2011 15:52:31 GMT 9.5
Just sayin, Jobs was cool but his best skill was hiring the right people. Steve Jobs, Gawd rest his soul, did not event all the cool stuff coming out of Apple. He was a strong man that was a pillar of a company that made many things possible. None of it came from wishful thinking, it came only from hard work, experimentation, and more hard work.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 20, 2011 10:51:10 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Nov 20, 2011 11:40:42 GMT 9.5
I suspect that 1717 was the crucial diluting. Shortly after that date there are reports of scrupulous brethren burning old documents. Also there seemed to be a loss of understanding, so that late in the 18th century there was still discussion about the purpose of Masonry - a matter hardly resolved today.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 21, 2011 7:08:27 GMT 9.5
Scrupulous Brn? Can you tell me more please.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 21, 2011 7:12:31 GMT 9.5
Brandt, I really like your 'Just sayin'.
Maybe we can use this term more when opposing ideas come to the fore. It's fun.
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Post by paul on Nov 21, 2011 7:38:23 GMT 9.5
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Post by brandt on Nov 21, 2011 11:03:48 GMT 9.5
Brandt, I really like your 'Just sayin'. Maybe we can use this term more when opposing ideas come to the fore. It's fun. Well, just sayin ;-) |
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Post by choochoo808 on Mar 6, 2012 1:48:11 GMT 9.5
My obligations carry as far as my cable tow will allow. I'd like to think that's another way of saying, "as much as the love in my heart will carry me, without harming my family in any way."
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Post by LorrB on Mar 6, 2012 9:22:35 GMT 9.5
Cable tows are interesting things, sometimes the end is tied to something outside of ourselves and at other times we hold the end in our own hands. Good topic for a thread. Thank you choochoo8.
Agree with you whole heartedly about harmlessness and family first. 'Heaven' can become a selfish pursuit.
Great to see you joining in. Looking forward to hearing more from you.
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Post by paul on Mar 6, 2012 9:28:46 GMT 9.5
That does raise the question of to whom and what one has obligations.
I know some who have a higher calling to their profession. That higher calling seems in practice to take priority over family commitments. Is capture by a higher calling actually a human failing?
How does that work in respect to Masonry? If Masonry is a relatively arbitrary human society then surely family should come first?
But what if Masonry is a higher calling from beyond humanity? Would it rate more highly than family obligations?
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Post by LorrB on Mar 6, 2012 11:29:55 GMT 9.5
I was going to leave that question in the too hard basket and actually backed out of the thread, but then it struck me that it is OK to leave the family if they can look after themselves. But to leave someone that is helpless because of age or infirmity or whatever, would be a dereliction of Duty and Love. Surely this is where self sacrifice comes into play. The Rose on the Cross.
But then again, would you sacrifice your own child to save the world or the Universe? I really don't want to go there.
I have a vague suspicion that when the time comes, we will definitely know what needs doing and do it.
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Post by paul on Mar 6, 2012 11:42:31 GMT 9.5
If Life does not cease with death, how should we rate the death of a human?
I recall a woman about 30 years old with whom various men found very difficult to live. She had no intention of marrying.
I asked her to visualise some hands from behind around her neck. She could immediately see them. It was apparent to her that the hands were those of her brother. It was in a past life. The family was starving and there was insufficient food for all to survive. It was agreed that the weakest should die. That was her and he was reluctantly strangling her.
When she realised how bad he felt about that she lost her anger at men and was married 3 months later.
Does relationship transcend life and death decisions?
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Post by LorrB on Mar 7, 2012 8:59:01 GMT 9.5
oh dear. sniff.
The pity is that people are to this day having to make similar decisions....
Maybe trying to fathom out the Big Picture/Plan is not so important as working to plan (recognising we are all the one hu-man family) right here and now.
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Post by false memory on Mar 7, 2012 12:38:19 GMT 9.5
I asked her to visualise some hands from behind around her neck. Why? |
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Post by paul on Mar 7, 2012 12:39:42 GMT 9.5
Because that is what I saw.
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Post by Egyptian apron on Mar 7, 2012 19:00:13 GMT 9.5
Because that is what I saw. How reliable are your observations? |
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Post by paul on Mar 7, 2012 19:45:46 GMT 9.5
It seemed to work pretty well on that occasion. She got over her anger with men and was married in 3 months. It rather surprised me.
I could provide similar accounts. You can find some on this forum if you want.
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Post by Egyptian apon on Mar 8, 2012 13:28:51 GMT 9.5
I could provide similar accounts. How reliable are your accounts? |
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