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Oct 25, 2011 11:26:26 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 25, 2011 11:26:26 GMT 9.5
In another thread both Tamrin and Stewart made references to Orion.
So what is the significance of Orion to those who seek inner knowledge or genuine initiation?
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Orion
Oct 25, 2011 12:01:59 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 25, 2011 12:01:59 GMT 9.5
________________________________________ The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky — Vol. 2 Theosophical University Press Online Edition ________________________________________ VOL. 2, PAGE 277 THE GIANTS.
ARE GIANTS A FICTION?
Of Giants who were “in the earth in those days” of old, the Bible alone had spoken to the wise men of the West, the Zodiac being the solitary witness called upon to corroborate the statement in the persons of Atlas or Orion, whose mighty shoulders are said to support the world. www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-16.htmOrion supports the world... had not thought of it that way. If Orion supports the world on 'his' shoulders, then 'he' might just have to be the one who raises us up ...
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Oct 25, 2011 12:14:37 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 25, 2011 12:14:37 GMT 9.5
Shemyaza was supposed to have been imprisoned in Orion
And Osiris (Asar) was supposed to be (from?) Orion. (I was warned off contact with Osiris by a friend in the US)
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Oct 25, 2011 12:40:56 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 25, 2011 12:40:56 GMT 9.5
Hopi Legend Author Gary David .. began to study the sky charts and the locations of Hopi villages and ruins. He noted that these villages lined up with all the major stars in the Orion constellation. He also studied the rock art that was on the caves and ruins. In this, he came to some very interesting conclusions, which led him to think about just how seriously the Hopi had taken extra-terrestrial life and the significance of the other planets in the solar system. In the rocks and caves of the Mesa villages, he found many petroglyphs that matched up with modern star charts and constellation patterns.
(According to) Hopi legend, the world has gone through several phases or cycles already, and we are in this time living in the Fourth World. In the original world, which was according to legend destroyed by fire, the benevolent Ant People sequestered everyone underground with them and shared what they had. The people were safe from the fire and destruction above. It is said that the Ant People even sacrificed their own food to aid the people. As the Sky God Sotuknang systematically destroyed the world above, the people waited patiently for the fires to burn and the earth to cool before they came up from above.
An interesting note is that the Hopi word for ant is "anu". The word for friends is "naki". There is also the similar pronunciation of the Hopi ancestors, the Anasazi.
I didn't know about the Ant People.. amazing. I guess that might partly explain why the Hopi perform their sacred ceremonies in Kivas.
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Oct 25, 2011 12:52:41 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 25, 2011 12:52:41 GMT 9.5
...the benevolent Ant People .....An interesting note is that the Hopi word for ant is "anu". The god of the Israelites forbade any depiction of him. I wonder if he was/is ant-like.
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Oct 25, 2011 13:17:12 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 25, 2011 13:17:12 GMT 9.5
I guess if 'the Greys' were darker in colour they would look ant like.
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Oct 25, 2011 17:02:05 GMT 9.5
Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 17:02:05 GMT 9.5
those who seek inner knowledge or genuine initiation? Have you received "genuine initiation?
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Oct 25, 2011 17:04:30 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 25, 2011 17:04:30 GMT 9.5
I am a genuine initiate of the first degree.
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Oct 25, 2011 20:24:48 GMT 9.5
Post by tamrin on Oct 25, 2011 20:24:48 GMT 9.5
I am a genuine initiate of the first degree. So all regularly initiated Entered Apprentice Freemasons have been genuinely initiated: Your mention of Orion in this context appears to have been no more than a pretentious irrelevancy.
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Oct 26, 2011 5:23:46 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 26, 2011 5:23:46 GMT 9.5
..a pretentious irrelevancy. I bow to your greater knowledge.
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Oct 26, 2011 8:30:18 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 26, 2011 8:30:18 GMT 9.5
I am a genuine initiate of the first degree. So all regularly initiated Entered Apprentice Freemasons have been genuinely initiated: Your mention of Orion in this context appears to have been no more than a pretentious irrelevancy. Tamrin doesn't ritual will tell you that if one does not come properly prepared, initiation is mere ceremony and must be repeated? ... and that the Sun, the Moon and the Stars are messengers of His Will? Can't help but think about the Tongues of Fire depicted above the heads of the Twelve Apostles when they were in the Upper Room. I would take that to be a sign of genuine initiation, p... or r.... They had certainy earned it by that stage.
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Oct 26, 2011 8:34:01 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 26, 2011 8:34:01 GMT 9.5
I did actually see a Tongues of Fire incident once. I knew it was going to happen and was waiting for it. At midday the group-being received the impact of a local Fire Deva (fire of the mind) and those group members who were attuned all had small tongues of flame just above their heads.
The event marked a significant repolarisation of the group-being.
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Oct 26, 2011 9:46:30 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 26, 2011 9:46:30 GMT 9.5
How wonderful.
Do you think these small tongues of flame could be imaged as crowns or coronets?
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Oct 26, 2011 9:52:04 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 26, 2011 9:52:04 GMT 9.5
No they were just small flames above the crown of the head.
Coronets may be childish replicas of technical devices used to allow telepathic contact with human rulers - hence symbols of (secondhand) authority.
Wearing solid gold objects on one's head is not comfortable.
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Oct 26, 2011 9:52:22 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 26, 2011 9:52:22 GMT 9.5
For those interested in the possibility that Orion might hold some secrets... rion has important mythological connections with the journey of humanity. Ancient Egyptians claimed their gods came from the Belt Stars of Orion, which were associated with Osiris. Some believe that the connection between Orion and Earth is created by a blueprint or architectural design following the patterns of sacred geometry. This in turn links with ancient astronauts, and the world world energy grid.
Throughout the world there are numerous ancient sites that align with Orion.
the most famous is the Giza Plateau and the layout of the 3 Great Pyramids
the ancient city and pyramid complex of Teotihuacan in central Mexico established in 100 BC.
the layout of the ancient Hopi villages in the American southwest
the Thornborough Henges a neolithic complex in North Yorkshire, England that date from between 3500 and 2500 BC. - this monument complex has been called 'The Stonehenge of the North'.
ww.crystalinks.com/scorpio_orion_egypt.html
It is interesting that so many, and varied, ancient cultures felt the need to align their structures in this manner.
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Oct 26, 2011 16:54:22 GMT 9.5
Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 16:54:22 GMT 9.5
Can't help but think about the Tongues of Fire depicted above the heads of the Twelve Apostles when they were in the Upper Room. I would take that to be a sign of genuine initiation, p... or r.... Have you been genuinely initiated?
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Oct 26, 2011 20:44:58 GMT 9.5
Post by tamrin on Oct 26, 2011 20:44:58 GMT 9.5
Can't help but think about the Tongues of Fire depicted above the heads of the Twelve Apostles when they were in the Upper Room. I would take that to be a sign of genuine initiation... As signs of genuine initiation (indeed, of adeptship), I would be more impressed by a display of rational discrimination between the real and the unreal, and by an acceptance of responsibility for one's thoughts, words and deeds.
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Oct 27, 2011 2:12:09 GMT 9.5
Post by cwhite on Oct 27, 2011 2:12:09 GMT 9.5
Ancient Egyptians claimed their gods came from the Belt Stars of Orion, which were associated with Osiris. Some believe that the connection between Orion and Earth is created by a blueprint or architectural design following the patterns of sacred geometry. This in turn links with ancient astronauts, and the world world energy grid. This is one of my favorites.... This was found on the ceiling of Chief Architect Senmuts tomb.
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Oct 27, 2011 9:59:27 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 27, 2011 9:59:27 GMT 9.5
Oh my!! I have never seen that before. I must study it and get back to you. Wow! Thank you cwhite.
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Oct 27, 2011 14:46:41 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Oct 27, 2011 14:46:41 GMT 9.5
Can't help but think about the Tongues of Fire depicted above the heads of the Twelve Apostles when they were in the Upper Room. I would take that to be a sign of genuine initiation, p... or r.... Have you been genuinely initiated? Lower Mysteries or Higher Mysteries? I am not aware of my standing... probably still rapping on the door. But that's ok. Sooner or later the door will open, that much I know. I joined Freemasonry for the right reasons, came properly prepared as they say.
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