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Post by paul on Oct 19, 2011 13:40:02 GMT 9.5
Does Life have a meaning?
I ask the question because sometimes I wonder if what is obvious to me, is obvious to others.
If Life does have a meaning, how can we recognise when that meaning is influencing what we experience?
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Post by LorrB on Oct 20, 2011 9:01:32 GMT 9.5
Instinctively I say yes. Everything one sees in Nature seems to have a purpose.
I think the ritual nailed it when it states 'the lodge is opened so that profit and pleasure may be the result'.
When young, the profit and pleasure might be viewed as 'greedy and seedy', but as we mature/evolve we begin to see profit and pleasure in a different light.
Our ritual also states that 'the lodge' will not be closed until every brother has had his due (?!).
And let's not forget the words 'until the next regular meeting'.
I have no doubt whatsoever that a physical lifetime is just like a day in school. And when we graduate, after years of learning ... ? I guess we are skilled enough in our craft to take on more important tasks.
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Post by paul on Oct 25, 2011 14:16:00 GMT 9.5
If Life has a meaning, are there any parts of Life that are random?
If not, how do we discover whether there are significant meanings in the events we experience?
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Post by Stewart Edwards on Oct 25, 2011 15:21:15 GMT 9.5
how do we discover whether there are significant meanings in the events we experience? I know this this is a little retorical for lifes events take you to where you are, almost by definition, but, with me at least, hindsight is a good starting point. When I sat down and wrote down my whole life, including as many little events as I could, I began to see patterns emerge. All sorts of patterns that showed that life kept presenting me with issues, with different backdrops, until I had "got it". It also showed threads flowing throw my life which has taken me to where I am. Absolutely facinating to pick your life apart in this way. Nowadays I actively look for the lesson to be learnt in bad (and good) events, and how I can use my knowledge (though it is a heck of a lot easier to simply bumble and stumble your way). Every single event of our life, including work, commuting, shopping, hobbies,sport, even casual chats and seeingly irrelevant little things, can and do, within them, provide you with signposts to direct your way, and keys to help you unlock doors and take steps up the old ladder. At a simple example, who here hasnt had a forum chat where someone unexpectedly has made them pause for thought and in time helped them grow a little? With sufficient work it is possible to answer the meaning of life. |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 26, 2011 8:16:56 GMT 9.5
With you on all of that Stewart, my experience also.
Re Forums, they can be challenging, but what a wonderful resource & tool. I have learned much more that I have tried to teach.
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Post by paul on Nov 17, 2017 14:39:02 GMT 9.5
A nearby community center held an open day offering free courses to local people. So I decided to offer a workshop on "Finding Inner Purpose".
It is not for the fainthearted, still I was surprised to notice how many people passing along the tables, reading the signs, who, when they read my sign immediately averted their gaze so that they would not look at me or the items on my table (stuffed toy cat and some small stones).
It was if they knew not to look.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Nov 18, 2017 3:55:05 GMT 9.5
Does Life have a meaning? My favorite philosopher once said "Words are symbols which point towards concepts................." It has been my observation that people who ask this question are usually referring to a concept that I call by a different name. I ask the question because sometimes I wonder if what is obvious to me, is obvious to others. Unless we attach the same concept to the word symbol we are not talking about the same thing and the answer will never be obvious. If Life does have a meaning, how can we recognise when that meaning is influencing what we experience? This sentence indicates to me that we are not referring to the same concept when we use the word 'meaning'. Please let me explain. To me, the answer to your original question is no. This is because to me the word symbol "meaning" represents a created experience. Whether or not an object or event has meaning to me depends on my reaction to that object or event. I see meaning as a personal or internal reality. I do not see meaning as an objective or external thing that can be located the way I can go out and find Mount Rushmore. Life is energy that has a symbiotic relationship with matter and has somehow become self-replicating and self-aware. This self-awareness looks for the reason it came to be when it asks "Why did this happen? What does it mean?". To the individual consciousness meaning is important. A life which has meaning to the individual who possesses it will be a happier life than the life of an individual who finds no meaning in their life. But I remain unconvinced that there is a universal meaning to life all people share. P.S. I noticed in a later post that your workshop at the community center was called "Finding Inner Purpose". I find searching for purpose to much more rewarding and successful than searching for meaning. P.S.S. In rereading this I noticed that I wrote it as if it were fact. In reality it is just my opinion and the best description of reality that I could come up with. |
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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2017 6:13:07 GMT 9.5
>"Words are symbols which point towards concepts..
He may have been a philosopher but he obviously was not a Kabbalist where words are considered to have power.
Also I suspect he did not distinguish symbols from emblems.
> meaning ...depends on my reaction to that object or event
Thus a word never heard has no meaning?
> Life is energy that has a symbiotic relationship with matter and has somehow become self-replicating and self-aware
One of the questions at my table was: does the (toy) cat like you? No one said that they could not tell. The cat liked about half of those that stopped to talk.
>I find searching for purpose to much more rewarding and successful than searching for meaning
Is purpose a directional flow within meaning?
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Nov 18, 2017 6:39:07 GMT 9.5
Paul,
More than anything I wish I had access to the world you describe. It is closed to me and I can find no door. I have searched.
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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2017 6:58:13 GMT 9.5
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Post by fjrogers on Nov 18, 2017 15:37:17 GMT 9.5
A very good exercise it is too.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Nov 22, 2017 7:43:53 GMT 9.5
How many years does it take to get results? How will I recognize the results? Am I missing something? |
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Post by paul on Nov 22, 2017 8:43:12 GMT 9.5
>How many years does it take to get results?
The problem is a physics problem. High frequency intelligent energy (Spirit) wishes to propagate its intent through the human, but the human constitutes a resistance - for example the human thinks itself to be the most important intelligent entity.
So the high frequency flow, in a spiritual human, steps down using a number of transformer entities that work through relevant chakra vortexes so that Spirit can connect with the human on various planes.
The human may wish to cooperate with Spirit but almost all humans have irregularities in the transformer entities we call chakras. Some of these irregularities are because the entities have not agreed to serve the human system. Some are traumas carried over from the distant past e.g. aversion to sharp instruments. Some are relationship distortions e.g. feuding families. Some are the result of ongoing interference e.g. voices in the head. Some are the result of corrupted life style and environment.
The ongoing interferences are a particular problem as the interfering entities have multiple lines of defense to retain influence/control over their asset. Any human that cannot control its thoughts is an open invitation to management by disembodied entities. For example I have met 2 people that thought they were Jesus reborn.
Then we need to consider karma.
The process of replacing all the lower subplane substance (x.7 to x.2) with atomic subplane matter (x.1) takes decades of hard work and there are rules set for Earth humans that require minimum proportions of x.1 and x.2 before inner initiations can be taken.
Many humans are happy to wait for the rising tide of the solar system to lift them. If that turns out to take too long those human souls will be reborn in another system.
So the answer to your question depends upon your current state, the karma of your group and your willingness to work hard.
Results are progressive and most practitioners detect an improved calmness within a short time as they reduce their resonance with the surrounding turmoil.
>Am I missing something?
One of the symptoms of interference is a pattern of being distracted from important tasks.
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Post by fjrogers on Nov 22, 2017 14:28:31 GMT 9.5
It can get a little complex. It's a good idea to work alongside the rising tide of the solar system, in the long term, and proactively undertake the work yourself according to your karma and current state.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 22:39:02 GMT 9.5
Is there a regiment where the times to meditate are based on planetary alignments?
This conversation came to me in a dream and while driving long distances
Aside from morning rise
I currently do not follow any particular regime, and meditate as needed
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2018 6:00:25 GMT 9.5
It is traditional to meditate at dawn and dusk. This is said to be because the yin-yang flow comes into balance at those times and it is easier to transcend the externalities of Existence.
There is also a lesser tradition of meditating at midday and of course for the full moon - when the moon is said to cause least disturbance to the flow of energy from the sun.
On occasion at the full moon I have felt to make some triangular alignments with planets but that seemed to be more about encouraging proper flow in the etheric body of the solar system.
For most people the most important aspect is a regular time so that the physical, emotional and mental structures get used to meditation at that time and are prepared for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 10:01:58 GMT 9.5
Interesting
Dusk/dawn. Waiting for Twilight
People tend to associate India with meditation. I notice they place their temples in mountains or in higher altitudes. Is there a reason for this? Higher altitudes contain rich energy flow, less oxygen
Does anyone have experience with this?
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2018 12:20:25 GMT 9.5
>temples in mountains
There are 2 main reasons:
- remoteness from the emotional turmoil of the population
- mountains tend be conduits for energy flows, including to and from the cosmos.
Also mountains that are volcanic often contain large empty lava tubes and these may be connected by passages to form living spaces and allow travel. Blavatsky wrote that it was possible to walk from the Andes to the Himalayas by such tunnel systems. I am not sure that is still possible from lack of maintenance.
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Post by fjrogers on Feb 2, 2018 14:34:38 GMT 9.5
That certainly would be something to be able to walk that distance by a tunnel system.
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Post by elijah on Feb 2, 2018 21:07:16 GMT 9.5
life is born from meaning...the intent breeds life...and when i accept my own purpose with out questioning its reasons outside of myself < being distracted from the original intent>.. i can create without defining or limiting potential existence...
One of the questions at my table was: does the (toy) cat like you?
why does it matter ..if it likes me or not... with these currents of externalized associations one accepts a suggestive spell of interpretation..which will eventually become its own opposite definition in time....so if i give it meaning to like me .... it should also dislike me so it can have meaning...by polarizing the subject i restrict its existence ....self awareness defines the external with the I...but can the I define self awareness without the external
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