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Post by Henka on Oct 26, 2011 23:40:29 GMT 9.5
... that being said, the thoughts are ours, .... I have yet to see anyone provide evidence for that. It seems to be an act of faith - or perhaps an implanted thought. I have yet to see you provide evidence for your assertion that outside entities are implanting thoughts in our minds. |
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 27, 2011 2:11:07 GMT 9.5
Marketing companies do their very best to implant thoughts in our mind all the time (I must buy this), often through emotional marketing strategies.
Also consider those freemasons who tell people that only they their brand are the real freemasons. When they keep harping on about this that does implant the thought into those who know no better.
And lets not forget national lotteries after all whose advertising says "it could be you who wins the millions". Oh must go and buy my lottery ticket now...
Thoughts are placed in our minds all the time.
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Post by Henka on Oct 27, 2011 4:23:46 GMT 9.5
Marketing companies do their very best to implant thoughts in our mind all the time (I must buy this), often through emotional marketing strategies. Also consider those freemasons who tell people that only they their brand are the real freemasons. When they keep harping on about this that does implant the thought into those who know no better. And lets not forget national lotteries after all whose advertising says "it could be you who wins the millions". Oh must go and buy my lottery ticket now... Thoughts are placed in our minds all the time. Those aren't aliens, demons or boogey-men. "Outside entities" does not refer to human beings and advertising, but Paul's assertions elsewhere on this board that aliens and other such beings are beaming thoughts into our heads. Prove that. |
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Post by stewart edwards on Oct 27, 2011 4:55:14 GMT 9.5
Why would I want to, I was only showing some of the ways that it can happen, given that Smithee suggested that it was not possible, when it is extremely common place in all of our lives. I suppose the easiest way to "prove" it would be if you took the bible/other religious texts literally or if you accept the word of alien abductee/contactees. (I still think it funny that a polieman giving testimony on anything else is believed almost without question but as soon as he talks about his alien experiences, he is suddenly labelled a madman - says more about human frailties than anything else) |
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Post by Henka on Oct 27, 2011 5:01:11 GMT 9.5
I've not read any police reports that assert mind control.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 27, 2011 5:05:59 GMT 9.5
Because you have chosen to engage in a debate. |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 27, 2011 5:11:32 GMT 9.5
... if you accept the word of alien abductee/contactees. More of Penn and Teller: Penn & Teller: Bull...! - Alien Abductions - 1/4 * Penn & Teller: Bull...! - Alien Abductions - 2/4 * Penn & Teller: Bull...! - Alien Abductions - 3/4 * Penn & Teller: Bull...! - Alien Abductions - 4/4 |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 27, 2011 5:15:27 GMT 9.5
I still think it funny that a polieman giving testimony on anything else is believed almost without question but as soon as he talks about his alien experiences, he is suddenly labelled a madman - says more about human frailties than anything else Policemen too are subject to human frailties, including madness. |
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Post by stewart edwards on Oct 27, 2011 5:37:03 GMT 9.5
I still think it funny that a polieman giving testimony on anything else is believed almost without question but as soon as he talks about his alien experiences, he is suddenly labelled a madman - says more about human frailties than anything else Policemen too are subject to human frailties, including madness. I agree Tamrin, what I find sadly funny is that it is because of what they are reporting that they are considered mad. Funny how they are allowed to continue in office and to perfrom their duties  Same with Pilots, Military Generals etc. Anyhow this is old ground and digressing, I only mentioned it to Henka as their testimony would in pretty much any other context be considered as being solid evidince which would otherwise pass legal proof standards. I guess you are a fan of Penn and Teller Tamrin. I much prefer the likes of Dai Vernon or Darryl. I do miss performing magic (everyone else is probably glad that I am no longer able to do it [due to my card allergy]). Just wait until the Masonic Mothership comes back, and mum and dad stroll down wearing their aprons asking what the masonic world has been doing in their absence ;D ;D |
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Post by paul on Oct 27, 2011 6:18:49 GMT 9.5
A quote attributed to St. Francis Xavier: “Give me the child until he is seven and I’ll give you the man”
The Jesuits turned out to be pretty effective over the centuries at mind conditioning.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 27, 2011 7:42:38 GMT 9.5
Quick question for Tamrin ... IF (big if) .. IF you ever saw an alien, would you automatically assume that you had gone mad?
OR, are you assuming that because you are not mad, you will never see one?
(Just a little passing thought I had)
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Post by LorrB on Oct 27, 2011 9:19:58 GMT 9.5
I am reminded of the anecdotal evidence that some people who have a blood transfusion experience a change in tastes and, sometimes, personality. I am supposing this would mean they think and respond differently to some situations. Is their mind/brain affected by the blood of another? We are told that Life is in the blood. I did a little research and found this great little piece... Dr Christopher Vasey - The Mystery of the Blood
Blood, the bridge to the Spirit
... (longish paper, I have omitted the biological science but make sure you read the link below. Most enlightening)
These tragic situations have quite rightly been described as "possession". A spirit in the beyond really does avail itself of the radiation bridge which its victim provides, so as to take possession of the body and to make use of it for its own intentions. The body is therefore used by a spirit, but in this case not by the rightful owner. The intruder can of course not drive the latter out totally, since otherwise the body could no longer be animated and would have to die; because the alien spirit is not connected closely enough to the "possessed" body, to keep it alive himself.
In order to possess a body, the intruding spirit requires not only an earthly body with a blood radiation corresponding to its own nature; a prerequisite are also a certain feebleness and lack of resistance on the part of the rightful "owner" of this body. In this lies at the same time the protection from such intruders: nobody is exposed defencelessly to the endeavours of those from the beyond. Simple defensive reactions, mostly subconsciously, are sufficient to protect oneself against such attempts. Not to mention that protection which is guaranteed by a secure inner attitude, the spiritual conduct and the corresponding "sound" blood radiation.
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Being possessed does not always come about through just one spirit, several spirits can also fight over the ownership of a brain. To the observer the patient gives the impression, as if in the course of a day he changes personality. Thus he is in one moment gentle and considerate, in another violent and impulsive or also fine and cultured, then coarse and crude. He can in turn give the impression of being extremely well informed about a certain subject and then to be totally ignorant about the matter. In certain cases one can count up to a dozen different personalities with one single patient.
The physician regards this generally as different roles, which are being played, one after another, by one single person: the legitimate owner of the brain. In reality it concerns a pitched battle of non-incarnated spirits among themselves and with the legitimate spirit over the use of a brain. The explanation which the academic medicine gives for a psychic disorder like schizophrenia, shows a striking similarity with the descriptions which were given earlier for being possessed. The academic medicine is merely lacking the explanation about the cause - of which it says itself, that it does not know it - which would however enable it, to treat the patients effectively. www.whatistruth.co.uk/vasey4.html |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 27, 2011 9:26:24 GMT 9.5
In order to possess a body, the intruding spirit requires not only an earthly body with a blood radiation corresponding to its own nature; a prerequisite are also a certain feebleness and lack of resistance on the part of the rightful "owner" of this body. In this lies at the same time the protection from such intruders: nobody is exposed defencelessly to the endeavours of those from the beyond. Simple defensive reactions, mostly subconsciously, are sufficient to protect oneself against such attempts. Not to mention that protection which is guaranteed by a secure inner attitude, the spiritual conduct and the corresponding "sound" blood radiation. .. to possess a body, the intruding spirit .. might be seen as a cowan or intruder? Is this why it is important to tyle a lodge? Is this why it is important that we only allow men of good report to become Freemasons? |
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Post by paul on Oct 27, 2011 9:38:22 GMT 9.5
"an eight year old girl who received the heart of a ten year old girl. The recipient was plagued after surgery with vivid nightmares about an attacker and a girl being murdered. After being brought to a psychiatrist her nightmares proved to be so vivid and real that the psychiatrist believed them to be genuine memories. As it turns out the ten year old whose heart she had just received was murdered and due to the recipients violent reoccurring dreams she was able to describe the events of that horrible encounter and the murderer so well that police soon apprehended, arrested, and convicted the killer. " theophanes.hubpages.com/hub/Cellular-Memories-in-Organ-Transplant-RecipientsWhose thought indeed? |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 28, 2011 12:16:43 GMT 9.5
Quick question for Tamrin ... IF (big if) .. IF you ever saw an alien, would you automatically assume that you had gone mad? OR, are you assuming that because you are not mad, you will never see one? (Just a little passing thought I had)Very little: Let it pass. |
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Post by paul on Oct 28, 2011 12:33:45 GMT 9.5
"A woman claims to have undergone a complete "personality transplant" after receiving a new kidney. Cheryl Johnson, 37, says she has changed completely since receiving the organ in May. She believes that she must have picked up her new characteristics from the donor, a 59-year-old man who died from an aneurysm. Now, not only has her personality changed, the single mother also claims that her tastes in literature have taken a dramatic turn. Whereas she only used to read low-brow novels, Dostoevsky has become her author of choice since the transplant." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1581752/New-kidney-changed-my-whole-personality.html |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 28, 2011 13:22:31 GMT 9.5
Quick question for Tamrin ... IF (big if) .. IF you ever saw an alien, would you automatically assume that you had gone mad? OR, are you assuming that because you are not mad, you will never see one? (Just a little passing thought I had)Very little: Let it pass. I will assume that you won't know the answer until it happens to you. Fair enough. |
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Post by paul on Oct 28, 2011 13:44:49 GMT 9.5
".. Sonny Graham - a seemingly happily married 69-year-old man living in the U.S. state of Georgia. He shot himself without warning, having shown no previous signs of unhappiness, let alone depression. His friends described it as an act of passion, not of reason. The case might have remained just an isolated tragedy were it not for the fact that Sonny had received a transplanted heart from a man who had also shot himself - in identical circumstances." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-558271/Can-really-transplant-human-soul.html |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 28, 2011 14:37:18 GMT 9.5
Do you think the energetics are more related to the personalities of the people involved, ie the dominant will continue to dominate.. or what?
With batteries, and Healers, the fully charged can 'kick start' the depleted. I can only imagine that this could also happen in reverse, as in the case you mention above.
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Post by paul on Oct 28, 2011 14:44:40 GMT 9.5
I started a thread on the composition of humans but did not get very far.
Here we are seeing evidence of the complexity of the human. Each organ has an organising intelligence to manage the dense aspects. The organs in concert provide anchor points for higher intelligences (various layers) and if the original body is only recently no longer functional, those entities may stay connected to the organ that finds a new home.
It is unlikely that a soul would move with an organ, but elemental and nature spirit entities certainly can.
And of course "as below so above" - so we must consider whether it is also possible to transplant souls.
Recently such events are called walk-ins. The earliest account of a walk-in in the popular press is Lobsang Rampa. The Montauk literature also deals with the subject, in a more technical context.
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Same with Pilots, Military Generals etc. Anyhow this is old ground and digressing, I only mentioned it to Henka as their testimony would in pretty much any other context be considered as being solid evidince which would otherwise pass legal proof standards.
