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Post by acrogers on Oct 9, 2011 10:46:50 GMT 9.5
I am a little surprised Tamrin at the suggestion that reincarnation might be like being recalled in the mind of our "god". Do you think that 'god' might forget us and perhaps need some higher being to prompt his memory now and again? As for human progress being a vain hope, one might ask what you imagine humans were put on this earth for if not to learn and progress, so that they could eventually fulfil their destiny by returning to the Source, thus completing the Oneness of the One returning all things into Itself?
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Post by tamrin on Oct 9, 2011 13:05:25 GMT 9.5
I am a little surprised Tamrin at the suggestion that reincarnation might be like being recalled in the mind of our "god". Do you think that 'god' might forget us and perhaps need some higher being to prompt his memory now and again? As for human progress being a vain hope, one might ask what you imagine humans were put on this earth for if not to learn and progress, so that they could eventually fulfil their destiny by returning to the Source, thus completing the Oneness of the One returning all things into Itself? I guess the point is that there is no return as such: We ARE One, here and now. The One Spirit is expressed through each of us as the evolution of its consciousness only involves the illusion of separation. We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
[Rather, we are Spirit (singular) having human (and other) experiences]
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Post by acrogers on Oct 10, 2011 15:27:34 GMT 9.5
You say there is no return. With respect Tamrin I would ask why should the return of one particular aspect of the universal Monad be unable to claim another body, while still being part of the One whole? Let us also not overlook - 1) the evidence of regression hypnotherapy, of which I speak from personal experience, finding, through this means the picture like recalling of other lives, along with memories that can be shown to tally with historical evidence from the times recalled in the session(s). 2) I refer you to the testimony of Arthur Guirdam, a psychotherapist in England who, during the 1960s worked with a number of people in his practice in Bath who were re-incarnated Cathars. His books 'The Cathars and Reincarnation,' and 'We Are One Another' repay study
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Post by tamrin on Oct 10, 2011 19:25:49 GMT 9.5
You say there is no return. With respect Tamrin I would ask why should the return of one particular aspect of the universal Monad be unable to claim another body, while still being part of the One whole? Let us also not overlook - 1) the evidence of regression hypnotherapy, of which I speak from personal experience, finding, through this means the picture like recalling of other lives, along with memories that can be shown to tally with historical evidence from the times recalled in the session(s). 2) I refer you to the testimony of Arthur Guirdam, a psychotherapist in England who, during the 1960s worked with a number of people in his practice in Bath who were re-incarnated Cathars. His books 'The Cathars and Reincarnation,' and 'We Are One Another' repay study The Dalai Lama is on record as saying that reincarnation concerns only the highest level of the self... The highest level of self is immortal and is One and we speculate that it has multiple, simultaneous and serial human and other sentient experiences, as it chooses. When we transcend our present system we may apprehend not only unity and either ease or disease in relation to our present condition and our dharma, we may also access the memory of that higher mind. While matters beyond our present level would also be beyond our comprehension, matters at our level might be meaningful. Thus, we can all truly say "we" (or rather "I") were both Cathars AND Inquisitors. Meditating on either in a transcendent state may give us some recollection, not directly, but through the vine that unites. I hesitate to utter this as it is a subject rife with vain abuse (witness the superficial, multiple incarnation of Cleopatra or Napoleon, yet we ALL were in a very real sense both these personages). There is only the ONE and for it "return" is meaningless, because it is constant.
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Post by acrogers on Oct 10, 2011 20:32:08 GMT 9.5
Well explained Tamrin, as usual. I'll have to think about that before adding anything more.
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Post by paul on Oct 10, 2011 20:45:28 GMT 9.5
.....witness the superficial, multiple incarnation of Cleopatra or Napoleon,.... That subject is more complicated than it looks because: - there are multiple intelligences that get recycled in individual humans - multiple humans exist in individual aggregated entities. Each assertion needs investigation before we can be sure that there is no substance or intelligence shared with the claimed previous life.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 11, 2011 5:24:35 GMT 9.5
Well explained Tamrin, as usual. I'll have to think about that before adding anything more. Thank you. I look forward to what you may have to say.
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Post by acrogers on Oct 11, 2011 18:31:14 GMT 9.5
Starting from an understanding that the highest level of the Self is immortal, and therefore One, perhaps reincarnation can be understood as diverse manifestations of that One over time. Assuming that the Big Bang marked the beginning of this process of manifestation (I can't prove that it did of course but we've got to start somewhere) could we see reincarnation as that One continuously manifesting all the time? Obviously, for Creation to be, the One, the Unity had to divide and go on dividing, on and on like the expanding universe. Eventually all those diverse manifestations would have to return to the Source. In other words one might say the the Supreme One would be incomplete without having manifested by dividing.
So past life memory might be individual parts of that One recalling other parts of the One continuous life, knowing all the time that their individual part of the Monad had always been there. Perhaps a Hindu would compare it all to the sleep and waking of Brahma. The waking is the expanding process of manifestation, with the sleep the drawing back of that manifestation into the One self at the end of a Manvantara, only to re-start the process again, eternally.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 11, 2011 20:12:26 GMT 9.5
Starting from an understanding that the highest level of the Self is immortal, and therefore One, perhaps reincarnation can be understood as diverse manifestations of that One over time. Assuming that the Big Bang marked the beginning of this process of manifestation (I can't prove that it did of course but we've got to start somewhere) could we see reincarnation as that One continuously manifesting all the time? Obviously, for Creation to be, the One, the Unity had to divide and go on dividing, on and on like the expanding universe. Eventually all those diverse manifestations would have to return to the Source. In other words one might say the the Supreme One would be incomplete without having manifested by dividing. So past life memory might be individual parts of that One recalling other parts of the One continuous life, knowing all the time that their individual part of the Monad had always been there. Perhaps a Hindu would compare it all to the sleep and waking of Brahma. The waking is the expanding process of manifestation, with the sleep the drawing back of that manifestation into the One self at the end of a Manvantara, only to re-start the process again, eternally. Well said. You raise the interesting philosophical question of the first cause. While we cannot imagine an eternal existence (no beginning and no end), that may be due a limitation with our capacity to comprehend reality. Certainly postulating a first cause tends to involve either an uncaused first cause (also beyond our imagination) or infinite regression (i.e., what caused the first cause and what caused it, etc., etc.)
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Post by LorrB on Nov 4, 2011 9:48:54 GMT 9.5
Reincarnation
Edgar Cayce found that the concept of reincarnation was not incompatible with any religion, and actually merged perfectly with his own beliefs of what it meant to be a Christian. Eventually the subject of reincarnation was examined in extensive detail in over 1,900 Life Readings. Reincarnation is the belief that each of us goes through a series of lifetimes for the purpose of spiritual growth and soul development. Cayce's approach does not include the concept of transmigration, which states that it is possible for human beings to be born again as animals. From the standpoint of the Cayce material, souls only occupy human bodies through their spiritual growth and developmental process.
In essence, the Cayce approach to reincarnation provides a philosophical setting to the past focusing on practical ways of dealing with this life: living, growing, and being of service to one another in the present.
For him it wasn¹t nearly as important to who individuals had once been, or even what they had been doing, as it was paramount that they focus on the present and the opportunities and challenges that faced them in this time, in this place, right now.
In terms of remembering your own past lives, the Edgar Cayce information provides a variety of approaches. In fact, oftentimes individuals who received readings would ask about such things as memorable dreams that were on their mind, personal traits and talents that they had always been drawn to, and even intense positive or negative relationships with other people in their lives Cayce described how each of these things could be tied to past-life memories. With these things in mind, in order to remember your own past lives the Cayce readings recommend such things as personal inventories of your talents, abilities, likes, and dislikes; working with meditation and dreams; taking part in imaginative past-life reveries or self-hypnosis, and so forth.
From Cayce's perspective, the reason for believing in reincarnation is not so that we can dwell upon the past or brag about the possibility of once having been someone famous, instead it is to enable a soul to understand the consequences of previous choices and to know that each individual is ultimately responsible for shaping and creating his or her life in the present. From the Cayce readings¹ perspective, the past merely provided a framework of potentials and probabilities. An individual¹s choices, actions, and free will in the present would determine the actual experience lived this time around. Rather than being a fatalistic approach to life, it is much more one of nearly limitless opportunities.
Cayce teaches the reality of reincarnation and karma, but as instruments of a loving God rather than blind natural laws. Its purpose is to teach us certain spiritual lessons. Animals have undifferentiated, "group" souls rather than individuality and consciousness. Once the soul evolves through a succession of animal incarnations and achieves human status, it is not then reborn in animal form. Cayce's view arguably incorporates Theosophical teachings on spiritual evolution. Each person, in his view, existed in a self-conscious form before birth and would exist again after death.
As well as his health readings, Cayce gave many hundreds of so-called "life" readings, during which he would describe his subject's past lives. A number of those readings referred to past incarnations in the legendary lost land of Atlantis. In all, Cayce referred to Atlantis no fewer than seven hundred times in his readings over a span of twenty years.
From Cayce's perspective, we are not simply physical bodies or even physical bodies with souls, but are instead spiritual beings who are currently having a material experience. As souls, we have manifested in the earth in order to learn lessons that will enable us to return to our former state of spiritual awareness. At the same time, one purpose we all have in common is to bring the spirituality of the Creator into the earth.
A soul can choose to be born into either a male or a female body in any given lifetime or, as Cayce called it, an incarnation. A soul selects that environment (parents and family, location, personal obstacles, etc.) which will best allow for the learning of lessons it needs for completeness. The goal is to fully express love in all the challenges which physical life offers.
One's experiences are subject to the choices made with free will. As one grows, he or she learns-or rather remembers-his or her true relationship with God and one's heritage as a spiritual being. With free will, we can turn the challenges life presents to us into stepping-stones toward growth, or we can see them as obstacles and stumbling blocks. Either way, we reap what we have sown. We constantly meet the consequences of previous deeds and attitudes.
One frequently misunderstood concept regarding reincarnation has to do with karma. From the standpoint of the Cayce material, karma is not destiny; it is only memory. These memories are generally unconscious and influence our abilities, our faults, even our relationships with others, but with free will we can meet this memory as a positive or a negative experience. Karma provides us with the potential to learn a lesson we need in order to grow at a soul level, and free will determines whether or not we choose to learn it at this time. The choices we make determine the next set of potential experiences we encounter.
Much more than simply a concept that applies to a limited segment of the world, reincarnation is a philosophy that has-at one time or another-been embraced by all the major religions of the world. It's a concept that can allow us to have compassion for one another because ultimately we are all equal-there is only one God, and we are all His children.
From Cayce's viewpoint, it doesn't really matter if an individual believes in reincarnation or not. For some it can be a helpful concept, for others confusing. The main purpose is to allow individuals to become aware of their true spiritual nature and their ultimate relationship with one another. In fact, if we can think for a moment about the one person in our life whom we love most of all. then we will get an inkling of the goal of reincarnation: to be able to love every single soul, even ourselves, with the very same love. www.crystalinks.com/edgar_cayce.html
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Post by LorrB on Nov 4, 2011 9:51:37 GMT 9.5
Dis-member, re-member. Isis/Osiris - remembering?
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Post by paul on Nov 4, 2011 10:19:35 GMT 9.5
Karma may be memory - but whose memory? Do the lords of karma (recording angel) do the remembering?
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Post by LorrB on Nov 4, 2011 11:25:22 GMT 9.5
Sacred secretaries I usually think of them as recording individual life experiences so that on other levels (or in other dimensions?) we have access to the full record of our prior experiences. As Builders we can then plan the next stage. I also relate these recording angels to the Overseers in Mark Masonry.
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Post by paul on Nov 4, 2011 11:34:46 GMT 9.5
The lords of the planes have the substance of the planes as their bodies. Thus the lord of the astral plane has within its body all of the astral substance of the human race and therefore experiences all of the emotional pain.
The recording of karma thereby is not a matter of writing a list but of experiencing toxicity in the body.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 4, 2011 11:42:08 GMT 9.5
As there is no need for the spoken word on other planes (by all accounts) secretarial duties would not entail listing. But I have heard tell that an individual's experiences are presented to them pictorially... as the Overseers in Mark compare the patterns, so are we compared to patterns? I guess that fits in with what you say too... if it doesn't match, its not ready for the next stage.
Toxic? Moi?
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Post by conflagratorofspirit on Nov 14, 2022 9:57:21 GMT 9.5
We're talking about escapig reincarnation, but is not escape the wrong word? Surely we should be speaking of graduating rather than escaping? If earth is a school for humans (and I don't think many of us would dispute that), then surely we transcend the wheel of life by graduating, i.e. working out our karma and then leaving. >"Graduating" Not long ago the was a "light code" video uploaded to Google ffrom the uhhh "pleadians"(if that's how you spell it). They specifically spoke of graduating and how they were more than happy to work with and contact their fellow neighbors here on earth. Yet they mentioned something along the last nes " if you do not understand geometry and some other skills, that they wouldn't even waste their time with you. Maybe they didn't put it so bluntly yet this is the way I understood it. Also I despise numbers and math so I figured "to hell with them." Not too long after this, here on the forum Fibonacci was on a post (we were talking about the vulture and the snake picture and Fibonacci posted another picture and said something along the lines of "here is something to help you with math". (Somewhere along those lines). My point, I sure hope math isn't a requirement to "graduate" because i really don't wish to exist in any fashion after this is over. I ask the solar logos or whoever he is that cold air never touch my ass ever again. I really hate math, I mean, I really really really despise it. Did I tell you guys how much I do not like numbers?
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Post by sammy on Nov 14, 2022 10:02:51 GMT 9.5
I would say better defined as logic but used similar to math.
You don't seem to be missing out on my end.
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Post by conflagratorofspirit on Nov 14, 2022 10:29:21 GMT 9.5
Thanks Sammy, I hope to do much better than I have been with the light work. I can see some floaty white mist in my head at night and daytime is hit and miss with the lack of sun(grrrr) but I think I'm doing better. And I'm doing it in the house now. Those dark entities(energies) under the house seem to have turned golden or similar and shined bright beneath me last night when I asked. I believe they were native Americans killed or perhaps an Indian burial ground. How traditional scary movie right? Still, if so, I believe them to deserve their revenge if so, just not against me...I do don't build this house, and I damn sure didn't do them harm. Go haunt the white man damnit! (Hahahahaha)
I still hate math.
And...andd, how did the math genius Fibonacci know that I needed help with math?
"One is the loneliest number that you'll ever dooooo.."
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Post by sammy on Nov 14, 2022 10:54:08 GMT 9.5
Thanks Sammy, I hope to do much better than I have been with the light work. I can see some floaty white mist in my head at night and daytime is hit and miss with the lack of sun(grrrr) but I think I'm doing better. And I'm doing it in the house now. Those dark entities(energies) under the house seem to have turned golden or similar and shined bright beneath me last night when I asked. I believe they were native Americans killed or perhaps an Indian burial ground. How traditional scary movie right? Still, if so, I believe them to deserve their revenge if so, just not against me...I do don't build this house, and I damn sure didn't do them harm. Go haunt the white man damnit! (Hahahahaha) I still hate math. And...andd, how did the math genius Fibonacci know that I needed help with math? "One is the loneliest number that you'll ever dooooo.." Usually these collectives of spirits defend the land they consider to be violated or atleast lost to them.. and rightfully so. Healing is needed, of the wound they suffer. If you know any shamans or spiritualist types who know how to do a cleansing ritual it might help the spirits to know the land is being cared for and they can move on. If you feel stable in your heart and spirit you can try this too with burning sage. I would just be cautious around older spirits. They tend to get hangry (hungry + angry).
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