Transcendence is a difficult issue for the rational mind.
While the rational mind may well perceive that from the perspective of the physical body, desire for emotional union is a transcendent desire, the mind must resist the prospect that it too is subject to transcendence and therefore should not properly be left in charge of the human.
Better then not to think about transcendence at all
Examples of transcendence are given in Beethoven's 3rd symphony the Eroica. In the second movement the Hero (initiate) is already dead and the funeral march has commenced.
The first crisis is the struggle to detach the inner parts from the physical body followed by a transcendent process.
The next crisis is in detaching the inner parts from the emotional body - again followed by transcendence.
Finally the initiate struggles to detach from the mental body and finally floats free in the joyful soul realms with the funeral procession far below.
The third movement starts with the initiate stepping out into the inner worlds and we find the nature spirits and then the devas imitating his (her?) step sounds. Finally all three kingdoms are in harmony and indistinguishable - having transcended their own limitation to unite in a greater whole.
Of course the sound is not high def - being mp3. Better versions are available.
And if you want to try some time travel here is a recording from Vienna 1944 when the war was very clearly lost. Can you detect the intensity of pain in the atmosphere and the performance? www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KDYnS6_6L0&feature=related
If you can detect the atmosphere then you have transcended this time and body to connect with that place.
Post by stewartedwards on Sept 29, 2011 14:57:53 GMT 9.5
Paul
Funnily enough this is one specific piece of music that attracted me to music class (which I was hopeless at) in my dim and distant school days.
Your 1944 recording sent a tightness through the left side of my neck protruding down my left shoulder. This doesn't happen with the first clip.
Just tested it again by flicking between clips, absolutely fascinating Paul.
Now the question that one must ask would this physical effect have happened if you had not pointed out the difference/effects first? A worthy area of exploration.
Ok lets try a third time, fairly relaxed neck now, lets switch over.. absolutely fascinating Paul, like my left shoulder was immediately filling up like a balloon and area tightening to be more slowly relieved by switching back.
That was a good wake up call this morning
A Simple Man, who tried and failed to reilluminate this planet.
Slogging Scotsman Ma’at Ankh Re
Who am I trying to kid for I can’t even resolve family darkness. Whoever is next to step up, please do.
Post by acrogers on Sept 29, 2011 19:28:25 GMT 9.5
Brilliant Paul, regarding the Eroica, and I agree with your interpretation. What a blessing that Beethoven deleted the original dedication to Napoleon, since it is baout far more than any one individual. Yes, I can relate to the Hero freeing himself form the various bodies that confine us within the Crystal Spheres, but when we come to the Finale--a dance of Titans surely, do we not find true union? Has not the initiatic experience of the Hero not merely raised him up but also enabled him to transmute the lower into the higher, like transforming lead into gold, and then gold into its pure white powder form which can, in that state transcend dimensions?
And all this is achieved within classical sonata form, extended in length compared with its predecessors certainly, but still preserving that same musical architecture.
Post by acrogers on Sept 29, 2011 21:59:03 GMT 9.5
One thing I should have added to my last post. You refer to Furtwangler's recording of the Eroica. I agree he probably has the greatest grasp of the mysteries encoded in this work. However, if you want to see its architecture clearly, try Klemperor conducting the Philharmonia orchestra, for a cathedral in sound.
However, if I was buying a recording of Beethoven's Ninth, I would not get anything other than Furtwangler. The way that first movement emerges from the darkness of the opening into the light has never been presented more perfectly by anyone else. The recording quality may seem primitive by today's standards, but what you get more than makes up for that.
Here is the so-called Siegfried's Funeral March. Immediately it is obvious that there is no march.
The sound begins as serpentine as well it is - beginning in the base chakra and struggling free to rise one chakra and repeat the process until eventually Siegfried emerges from the crown chakra
The initiate progressively transcends each chakra to emerge into the greater Light.
Here is Furtwangler (of course) with masterful variation in tempo. It is a studio recording shortly before Furtwangler's own death. It is noticeably slower than some of his earlier performances and even more intense
It is best played through a good sound system - not with head phones - so that the sound can directly impact each chakra in the listening aspirant.