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Post by paul on Sept 28, 2011 8:05:03 GMT 9.5
Given the hypothesis that all life forms can experience transcendence, on what basis do we assert that there is any limit to human knowledge?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 28, 2011 9:35:35 GMT 9.5
I know that when we are dead, we are not dead, only the physical body is dead.
I cannot prove that to anybody, but I know it to be true and I don't know how I know it is true. Is that transcendence of a sort?
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Post by paul on Sept 28, 2011 9:40:42 GMT 9.5
Certainly the human spirit transcends the body. What then are the limits of human knowledge?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 28, 2011 9:46:35 GMT 9.5
I'm not surprised. Social insects such as ants, bees and termites present among the clearest instances of transcendence. Consider Eugene Marais' classic work, The Soul of the Ant. This is too funny. Why?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 28, 2011 12:34:04 GMT 9.5
Certainly the human spirit transcends the body. What then are the limits of human knowledge? Comprehension (liver cell analogy).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 17:48:55 GMT 9.5
If you can not see the humour in the great seer not even being able to see what is obvious even to a child, I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you. You obviously do not get jokes.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2011 9:43:22 GMT 9.5
I have a wicked sense of humour ... .. which sometimes lands me in trouble ..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 17:57:58 GMT 9.5
I have a wicked sense of humour ... .. which sometimes lands me in trouble .. This is too pathetic.
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Post by Henka on Sept 29, 2011 22:52:24 GMT 9.5
I have a wicked sense of humour ... .. which sometimes lands me in trouble .. This is too pathetic. Okay, y'all are just being mean now...
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Post by LorrB on Sept 30, 2011 8:44:10 GMT 9.5
The best part about Fairy Tales are the happy endings. Surely the Perfect Plan has a happy Ever After too ... When everyone understands each other and appreciate their differences, all will be well.
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Post by paul on Sept 30, 2011 8:59:31 GMT 9.5
... When everyone understands each other and appreciate their differences, all will be well. There perhaps we have found the real limit to human knowledge
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 17:44:31 GMT 9.5
Okay, y'all are just being mean now... I have a wicked sense of humour ... which sometimes lands me in trouble.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 4, 2011 8:32:31 GMT 9.5
Okay, y'all are just being mean now... I have a wicked sense of humour ... which sometimes lands me in trouble. ..see Smithee, we do have something in common
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Post by paul on Oct 11, 2011 18:59:56 GMT 9.5
Henka on another thread made an interesting proposition about knowledge .... there is no such thing as knowledge. .... Everything we think of as knowledge is really a relationship between facts. It's all circular definition. We can't define anything without using other terms which need definition, ..... It is certainly hard to believe without some constructs (facts) to believe about. But I wonder if it is possible to know without facts. For example, does a child need facts to know the existence of the Sun in the sky? Can an experience be so direct that it does not require facts?
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Post by LorrB on Oct 13, 2011 9:23:32 GMT 9.5
Yep.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 13, 2011 12:08:22 GMT 9.5
Can an experience be so direct that it does not require facts? An experience IS a fact. Albeit, as Henka said facts need to be seen in relation to other facts, e.g., the possibility of hallucination. An hallucination is a fact, not an error; what is erroneous is a judgment based upon it
Bertrand Russell
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Post by LorrB on Oct 13, 2011 13:29:08 GMT 9.5
Have you ever experienced any hallucinations Tamrin? Serious question. And if so how did you know it was an hallucination? What other facts would come into play?
Some visionaries in the Bible say that they could not determine whether what they saw was of this world or not.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 13, 2011 18:54:12 GMT 9.5
Have you ever experienced any hallucinations Tamrin? Serious question. And if so how did you know it was an hallucination? What other facts would come into play? Most people, including myself, are not in perfect mental health, and hallucinations are common - I have experienced them when overly tired (stationary objects appearing to move). Fortunately, I have recognised them for what they are and have acted accordingly (got some rest) whereas Paul and yourself appear to seek them and latch onto and exaggerate them as evidence of having more abilities than your fellows.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 13, 2011 19:17:13 GMT 9.5
The preconceptions one brings to such experiences and the interpretations that are applied make a world of difference. For instance sleep paralysis affects about one in five people in Britain (the prevalence varies between cultures), Medieval sufferers used to imagine visitations by succubi and modern, true believers are likely to imagine alien abductions. Anyone with any knowledge of sleep disorders might recognize the experience for what it is and modify their sleeping habits. Similarly, in Japan the paralysis following the consumption of puffer fish toxin is seen for what it is, whereas in Haiti, the person comes to, believes they have died and are now a zombie (and are fed drugs to prevent a full recovery).
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 13, 2011 19:58:35 GMT 9.5
The preconceptions one brings to such experiences and the interpretations that are applied make a world of difference. Indeed. 1 in 5, thats a lot, do you have a source for that Tamrin? Not doubting you just interested. I have actually corrsponded with Susan Blackmore a leading sleep paralysis expert re this as a cause for abduction beliefs, and while her viewpoint is interesting it does sit slightly at odds with the likes of John Mack who had such suffers screened out before they got to him, hence my hesitation to believe her work fully, though she is probably right in many cases. You may be interested to know Tamrin that I myself suffer from Obstructive Sleep Apnoea, the only side effect (so far) of me being over 300lbs in weight, though it also affects stick thin people. Hence my interest in sleep disorders.
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