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Post by paul on Feb 25, 2012 10:14:06 GMT 9.5
Here is an image showing both the near side and far side of the Moon. The near side has lots of very wide very shallow craters/seas while the far side has smaller craters. So the side sheltered by the Earth was hit by something(s) that made lots of very wide shallow craters while the side exposed to the rest of the solar system has mostly much smaller but still too shallow craters. So what makes wide shallow craters? Nuclear weapons? Beam weapons? And why are most of the straight lines on the near side? How many pairs of craters can you find. Most are on the far side but there are some on the near side too.
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Post by brandt on Feb 25, 2012 10:50:40 GMT 9.5
I recommend severe skepticism in this line of thought. What are the most likely reasons for the "anamolies?" Keep in mind that the Moon is a well studied body.
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Post by paul on Feb 25, 2012 12:07:11 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Feb 25, 2012 12:09:23 GMT 9.5
. Keep in mind that the Moon is a well studied body. So how many pairs of craters have you found?
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Post by brandt on Feb 25, 2012 12:25:22 GMT 9.5
I don't study the moon. I am involved in the final frontier (the human mind). I do know people that are involved in studies of the moon and there is a great deal of information available about the moon. What we do know should be taken into account before we go off on any tangent.
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Post by paul on Feb 25, 2012 12:35:36 GMT 9.5
There is certainly much known including Lunar Transient Phenomena en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_lunar_phenomenonExamples include: From 1871 to 1896, 40 members of England's Royal Astronomical Society reported observing various geometrical shaped light patterns on the moon. In the following years, came confirmed sightings of a moving 50 wide opaque object, great white domes and long bridge like structures on the Plane of Mare Crisium. In 1958 , both US and Soviet scientists collectively observed a huge glowing oval object upon the lunar surface. Washington Daily News 1968 The following are NASA records. The formatting is lost 1958 Sep 1, 07h27m Aristarchus Whole crater filled with pale violet radiance, especially bright on walls. Pale violet N and NE of crater and on plateau Bartlett Bartlett 1967 1958 Sep 23 Piton Became enveloped in an obscuring cloud-like mist Moore Moore obs. book 1958 Oct 16 N of Mare Crisium Bright spot in dark area of moon Mayemson Mayemson 1965 1958 Nov 3, 03h00m Alphonsus Reddish glow, followed by effusion of gas Kozyrev Kozyrev 1959, 1963; Green 1965 1958 Nov 19, 04h00m - 04h30m Alphonsus; 30 min Diffuse cloud over central mountain Poppendiek, Bond Alter 1959; Poppendiek and Bond 1959 1958 Nov 19, 22h05m Alpetragius Portion of shadow in crater vanished Stein Stein 1959 1958 Nov 19 Alphonsus Reddish patch close to central peak Wilkins, Hole Wilkins 1959; Hole 1959; Moore 1965 1958 Nov 22 Alphonsus Gray spot Bartha Moore 1965 1958 Dec 19 Alphonsus Reddish patch close to central peak Wilkins, Hole Wilkins 1959; Hole 1959; Moore 1965 1959 Jan 22 Aristarchus Interior, light brilliant blue, later turning white Alter Alter NASA report 1959 Jan 23 Aristarchus Brilliant blue interior Alter Cameron 1965 www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/ltp-NASA_R-277-1900-1967.htmIt hardly needs saying that clouds are theoretically impossible on the Moon. Clouds require atmosphere and atmosphere requires a stronger gravity. Is that why the early Moon shots kept missing? Newton's calculation gave the wrong answer? Why?
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Post by paul on Feb 25, 2012 12:38:03 GMT 9.5
I don't study the moon. I am involved in the final frontier (the human mind) I bet in 2 minutes you can find at least 6 pairs of craters - identically sized and next to each other. That data could create an interesting perturbation in the final frontier.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 25, 2012 13:30:04 GMT 9.5
Speaking of anomalies, has anyone ever seen the pictures of that hexagonal shape that caps Saturn's north pole? It was spotted by Voyageur and was recorded again by Cassini-Huygens. There is no explanation for this phenomenon, but there it is...
Oh, and spectrographic analysis shows that there is in fact water on the sun.
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Post by paul on Feb 25, 2012 15:41:25 GMT 9.5
For anomalies try Post 58 on this thread. Someone has been smoothing the moon surface
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Post by Henka on Feb 26, 2012 0:22:04 GMT 9.5
Here is an image showing both the near side and far side of the Moon. The near side has lots of very wide very shallow craters/seas while the far side has smaller craters. So the side sheltered by the Earth was hit by something(s) that made lots of very wide shallow craters while the side exposed to the rest of the solar system has mostly much smaller but still too shallow craters. So what makes wide shallow craters? Nuclear weapons? Beam weapons? And why are most of the straight lines on the near side? How many pairs of craters can you find. Most are on the far side but there are some on the near side too. The Mares are areas which have not been as impacted by meteors, and are of a different surface consistency from the lighter areas. the "straight lines" are spalling caused by impact, which, on the reverse side, is not as visible because of overlapping impacts having obscured them. Then again, I suppose it's aliens. ;D
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2012 6:38:38 GMT 9.5
So how are the Mares (seas) formed? And why only on the Earth side? Are they formed on top of old craters?
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Post by Henka on Feb 26, 2012 13:05:45 GMT 9.5
Google is our friend: Volcanic features Main article: Lunar mare The dark and relatively featureless lunar plains which can clearly be seen with the naked eye are called maria (Latin for "seas"; singular mare), since they were believed by ancient astronomers to be filled with water.[38] They are now known to be vast solidified pools of ancient basaltic lava. While similar to terrestrial basalts, the mare basalts have much higher abundances of iron and are completely lacking in minerals altered by water.[39][40] The majority of these lavas erupted or flowed into the depressions associated with impact basins. Several geologic provinces containing shield volcanoes and volcanic domes are found within the near side maria.[41] Maria are found almost exclusively on the near side of the Moon, covering 31% of the surface on the near side,[42] compared with a few scattered patches on the far side covering only 2%.[43] This is thought to be due to a concentration of heat-producing elements under the crust on the near side, seen on geochemical maps obtained by Lunar Prospector's gamma-ray spectrometer, which would have caused the underlying mantle to heat up, partially melt, rise to the surface and erupt.[29][44][45] Most of the Moon's mare basalts erupted during the Imbrian period, 3.0–3.5 billion years ago, although some radiometrically dated samples are as old as 4.2 billion years,[46] and the youngest eruptions, dated by crater counting, appear to have been only 1.2 billion years ago.[47] The lighter-coloured regions of the Moon are called terrae, or more commonly highlands, since they are higher than most maria. They have been radiometrically dated as forming 4.4 billion years ago, and may represent plagioclase cumulates of the lunar magma ocean.[46][47] In contrast to the Earth, no major lunar mountains are believed to have formed as a result of tectonic events. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
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Post by brandt on Feb 26, 2012 13:24:01 GMT 9.5
What do you (all participants on this forum) consider the most likely explanation?
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2012 13:49:21 GMT 9.5
.. They are now known to be vast solidified pools of ancient basaltic lava. .. On Earth lava comes out of volcanoes. But not on the near side of the Moon. So what is the cause of the liquefaction?
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Post by Henka on Feb 26, 2012 23:20:39 GMT 9.5
.. They are now known to be vast solidified pools of ancient basaltic lava. .. On Earth lava comes out of volcanoes. But not on the near side of the Moon. So what is the cause of the liquefaction? If you would follow the link provided you will see thermal images of both sides of the moon. The excerpt above also contains the following: "This is thought to be due to a concentration of heat-producing elements under the crust on the near side, seen on geochemical maps obtained by Lunar Prospector's gamma-ray spectrometer, which would have caused the underlying mantle to heat up, partially melt, rise to the surface and erupt."
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Post by paul on Feb 27, 2012 5:34:46 GMT 9.5
Heat producing elements? Such as? Does that occur on Earth? Why not?
And where are the eruptions?
How can lava flow flat for hundreds of miles? It does not do that on Earth. Just consider how quickly it cools.
To have lava flow flat over large distances requires continual application of more heat to stop the cooling. What is the source?
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Post by Henka on Feb 27, 2012 14:09:04 GMT 9.5
Heat producing elements? Such as? Does that occur on Earth? Why not? And where are the eruptions? How can lava flow flat for hundreds of miles? It does not do that on Earth. Just consider how quickly it cools. To have lava flow flat over large distances requires continual application of more heat to stop the cooling. What is the source? I suppose it was aliens that created the moon? You act as though the molten rock came from a concentrated source such as it does with a volcano here and flowed outward. Did you not follow the link again? Did you not see from the thermal image that the maria are warmer even to this day? You pose all these questions, dismiss the science, then never put forth your idea on the subject. Let's see you explain it for once.
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Post by paul on Feb 27, 2012 14:19:31 GMT 9.5
The Moon is a recent arrival: "Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the Earth was without the Moon.(1) Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already before there was a moon in the sky above the Earth; for this reason they were called Proselenes.(2) Apollonius of Rhodes mentioned the time “when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.” (3) " www.varchive.org/itb/sansmoon.htmPsalm 72 5 They fear Thee with the sun, and before the moon, So it seems that the Moon only arrived within human memory. How was it placed so exactly? Even its size is exact - in English miles.
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Post by brandt on Feb 27, 2012 14:57:44 GMT 9.5
That is far from factual. The Moon stablizes are planet and has been shown to have developed from a strike on the Earth by another body early in the development of our solar system.
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Post by paul on Feb 27, 2012 15:02:50 GMT 9.5
...has been shown to have developed from a strike on the Earth by another body early in the development of our solar system. I am not sure what "shown" means - a video recording - or a mathematical proof? "The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older." www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_16.htmIf the Moon is older does that mean that it is the body that struck the Earth? How did it keep its very old dust in the collision? Surely it would be shaken off? And a strike by another large body is more likely to produce another asteroid belt than a elegant Earth-balancing co-orbit.
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