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Post by LorrB on Dec 9, 2010 13:13:43 GMT 9.5
Nothing is wanted but the key. Why don't we have some fun looking for keys.
Falling Water, Corn, Curtains which are torn from top to bottom ..
In the Crucifixion story, the Curtain of the Temple is torn from top to bottom. How many curtains are torn from the top downwards? The tops of temple curtains I would imagine to be beyond reach. Someone or something has to tear, and that it comes from on high would indicate to me that the story is telling us that something spiritual or heavenly is taking away a blindfold. Self sacrifice will open our eyes ?
Falling water likewise. The Bible talks about the waters being separated, so we have waters on high and waters herebelow. Water = Spirit. Wine = water + spirit. Falling water = the Holy Spirit descending ?
Corn is a symbol for gold. Gold is a symbol for spirit. Corn is made into bread, spirit will feed our souls ?
Alchemists work on turning lead into gold (supposedly), masons work on making basic stones (man) into something perfect (super man) ?
On the run, but would like readers to have a bit of fun with this one... let your imagination run wild...
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Post by paul on Dec 10, 2010 13:18:07 GMT 9.5
Certainly many keys have been lost - in part because of the decline in the reading of ancient texts.
In the particular ritual here, the want of the key is likely not to be particularly ancient, but rather to date from the inclusion of the idea of the crypt into a much older ritual
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Post by torence on Dec 10, 2010 23:04:44 GMT 9.5
And here we discover the value and usefulness of keys....
"The very consciousness of the possession of a great power will ever make the generous mind cautious and gentile in its exercise. To rule has been the lot of many, and requires neither strength of intellect nor soundness of judgment; to rule WELL has been the fortune of but few, and may be the object of an honorable ambition. It is not by the strong arm or the iron will that obedience and order - the chief requisites of good government- are secured, but by holding the KEY to the hearts of men."
Fraternally,
Torence Evans Ake
Secretary - Auburn Park Lodge No. 789 - Crete, Illinois
PM - Arcadia Lodge No. 1138 - Lansing, Illinois
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Post by LorrB on Dec 13, 2010 7:04:31 GMT 9.5
The key to the hearts of men... that is a BIG key. Do you think that those that possessed such a key were those that worked the Ideal (rather than the idea)?
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Post by torence on Dec 13, 2010 21:33:37 GMT 9.5
The key to the hearts of men... that is a BIG key. Do you think that those that possessed such a key were those that worked the Ideal (rather than the idea)? Neither and ideal or idea is sufficient, the key to the hearts of men is found in doing the deed. |
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Post by LorrB on Dec 14, 2010 9:44:25 GMT 9.5
... as I said, working the ideal (best, perfect or most suitable).
The Second Degree might not be the most spectacular to watch, but its challenge is awesome and overwhelming when one thinks about it.
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Post by paul on Dec 16, 2010 9:27:38 GMT 9.5
It took me 20 years to get a sense of the hidden mysteries of nature and science referred to in the FC degree.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 23, 2010 11:57:39 GMT 9.5
LorrB, you do know that the word is not 'curtain", but "veil"..."the rending of the veil". That is the literal meaning of "apocalypse", meaning that speculation ends and the revelation of Truth commences.
"Corn' is associated with Isis and Osiris, of course; you will notice that "Corn, Oil and Wine" are the basic ingredients of BREAD; the wine supplies the YEAST for leavening. the word "Lady" comes from "hlaf-digh" "giver of bread", and "Lord" comes from 'hlaf-ward" "protector of granaries". Women were also in charge of BREWING. This is why I am convinced that "Melchizedek" was a WOMAN and not a man, since both bread and wine were the products of WOMEN's work.
But, of course there couldn't be any suggestion in the Scriptures that Abraham was taking orders from (horrors!) a WOMAN, hence a sex change was in order, also a complete deletion of any "background data" that might reveal this fact! But it is there for those who have eyes to see: if one looks up the Gematria of "Malkah ha-Tzedeq" ("Queen of Righteousness") you can see for yourself that it is the SAME as the Gematria of "God of Abraham": 294.
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Post by paul on Dec 23, 2010 12:23:17 GMT 9.5
Hebrews 7
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, ....... 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;
Thus Melchisedec is without father without mother and without descent and without end of life.
This sounds immortal and not descended from Earthly stock - and of course the clue follows: BUT made like unto the Son of God;
This identifies Melchisedec as one of the many lords and many gods of which St Paul speaks
1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
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Post by Henka on Dec 24, 2010 3:09:22 GMT 9.5
Malchiezadek is more likely a title, passed down through generations. Likely this had been forgotten by the Hellenistic Saul/Paul.
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Post by paul on Dec 24, 2010 7:51:04 GMT 9.5
>Likely this had been forgotten by the Hellenistic Saul/Paul.
This opens up a whole new area of theological discussion that had never occurred to me.
So, as I understand it, Paul, knowing that Melchisedec is important, but forgetting why, makes up a story about (another) immortal son of God.
And the audience, also have forgotten who Melchisedec is, so Paul gets away with it.
And later when he remembers (or is reminded by some rabbis) it is too late to change.
And the later Christian theologians, having quite enough sons of God as it is, ignore Paul's explanation.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2010 13:40:22 GMT 9.5
Hebrews 7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, ....... 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; Thus Melchisedec is without father without mother and without descent and without end of life. This sounds immortal and not descended from Earthly stock - and of course the clue follows: BUT made like unto the Son of God; This identifies Melchisedec as one of the many lords and many gods of which St Paul speaks 1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) Actually, it sounds more to me like a convenient way to disguise the fact that "Malkah-ha Tzedeq" was a WOMAN. The Jews jumped through a LOT of hoops to HIDE the fact that there were GODDESSES as well as GODS, since they found the notion repugnant, given that the Goddess tradition was descending into corruption and debauchery. This was why they referred to everything that smacked of licentiousness as 'EGYPTIAN", and in fact they had a POINT: the temples of Bastet and others involving 'sacred prostitution" eventually had to be SHUT DOWN because they were "out of control' with drunken fornication spilling out into the streets, fighting, and all sorts of carry-on! Saul/ Paul HATED women, so there would be NO WAY that he would endorse anything like a "goddess" or a "priestess". He alsio HATED Jesus's brother James the Just (who dubbed him "The LIAR") and did all he could to win people over to HIS version of events; these shenanigans eventually resulted in the uprising of the Jews and the Roman intervention in 70 AD! Oh, and don't forget: it was PAUL who removed the 'circumcision" requirement; if he had NOT done that, Christianity would NEVER have become as popular as it did!  |
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Post by paul on Dec 24, 2010 14:16:53 GMT 9.5
Certainly there was an attempt to remove the female Shekinah (she who dwells in a tent) - later the Holy Spirit - but I am not sure that is the same as the loss of understanding of Melchizadek
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