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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2010 11:41:26 GMT 9.5
Cayce is interesting but not really a heavy weight in spiritual matters.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2010 11:54:37 GMT 9.5
He rings true to me.. at whatever level he was operating at or from. Which raises an interesting (my favourite word) point. If we can't interpret things for ourselves we can only take to heart that which touches us some way or the other, otherwise we fall into the trap of allowing someone else to tell us what is.
History demonstrates to us that this does not usually work out very well - it usually ends up with misery and death for multitudes.
Taking something to heart now does not necessarily mean that it will appeal to us later, milk for babes and meat for men as they say.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2010 11:55:44 GMT 9.5
I have seen a metaphysical plumb line coming down into a cluster of beehives Could a metaphysical cluster of beehives represent energy centres? www.crystalinks.com/kundalini.html
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2010 12:19:10 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2010 12:24:36 GMT 9.5
Notice the 'disconnect' between the three and the four... between the triangle (compasses) and the square.
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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2010 12:46:15 GMT 9.5
Could a metaphysical cluster of beehives represent energy centres? The energy flow that looked like a plumb line was metaphysical. The beehives were physical - more than 100 of them in a forest clearing. The air was etherically thick so that I had to push a bit harder to walk through it. Since then I have found that it is common for beehives to attract a plumb line. (Why is it so?) The Antients used to regard a lodge of Masons as a hive but we have lost the understanding of how to cause that to happen
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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2010 12:48:59 GMT 9.5
If we can't interpret things for ourselves we can only take to heart that which touches us some way or the other, otherwise we fall into the trap of allowing someone else to tell us what is. If only we could use the working tools in a moral sense we could directly measure what is true to what.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2010 13:32:54 GMT 9.5
...which brings us back to the beginning. Do you know how to use the working tools in a moral sense? I have assumed you do but I realise that you may be looking also ... I know about chakras and kundalini, but I really have no conscious control over them... not a Master yet
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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2010 14:14:01 GMT 9.5
. Do you know how to use the working tools in a moral sense? Once you have spotted a plumb line, it is pretty simple to use it to measure trueness. Equally, once you have spotted the real pavement it is easy to measure squareness. Similarly for the compasses and alignment with the GAOTU. And the principal officers practice a moral use of the gavel - to bring order to the gathered humans and elementals
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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2010 14:25:19 GMT 9.5
I know about chakras and kundalini, but I really have no conscious control over them... I doubt that that is true. For example, I see that you work pretty well at managing your emotions. Progressively it is possible to manage each chakra and associated intelligences at a group level - from above rather than from within the experience. As for kundalini, you can happily leave that to the wise and the foolish
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2010 15:11:42 GMT 9.5
. Do you know how to use the working tools in a moral sense? Once you have spotted a plumb line, it is pretty simple to use it to measure trueness. Equally, once you have spotted the real pavement it is easy to measure squareness. Similarly for the compasses and alignment with the GAOTU. And the principal officers practice a moral use of the gavel - to bring order to the gathered humans and elementals I very much look forward to the day when I reach that level of discernment, truly. Must make things a whole lot easier (says she hopefully) I did have a recent experience where I saw an fisherman's type net overlay a whole scene. First time I have seen that happen. But the net did not stretch flatly across the scene... it curved slightly. Only saw it once, and it was netting, not black and white squares.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 18, 2010 15:17:10 GMT 9.5
For example, I see that you work pretty well at managing your emotions. ... thank goodness my slip(s) wasn't showing
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Post by paul on Nov 18, 2010 15:32:00 GMT 9.5
the net did not stretch flatly across the scene... it curved slightly. So you have seen it. Now to put it to use. Look at what happens to the net close to your lodge pavement. Introduce humans of both known positive and known adverse quality to the net and see what happens
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Post by mgc on Nov 18, 2010 22:57:32 GMT 9.5
Lorrb, can u slow the animation on the previous page down by a few secs and make it pause for about 40 secs before it starts over? I feel it helps to visualize the energy flow..
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Post by LorrB on Nov 19, 2010 7:57:31 GMT 9.5
I borrowed the image from the Crystalinks sit mgc, so can't adjust anything. However here below is a link which is interactive, let me know if this is a help. www.tantra-kundalini.com/nadis.htm#I would take heed of Paul's advice re the Kundalini ... I only post links like these because I have found it an immeasurable aid in understanding symbols and allegories (similarly, studying Latin was a great aid to my understanding of English, my native language ) (Gosh, just had a blast from the past, of me and the nuns marching with the cohorts over the hills, pillaging towns hither, thither, over and yon .. )
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Post by mgc on Nov 19, 2010 9:15:44 GMT 9.5
ok I liked the 1 u posted better.. I may have missed that.. No problem.. I found it to have an additional practical use.. www.tantra-kundalini.com/index.htmThis 1 allows u to set the pace yourself by manipulating the numbers on the bottom right.. Tell me if u spot a difference in effect when watching the animated or manual version..
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Post by julianrees on Nov 21, 2010 7:57:04 GMT 9.5
I had a sort of flash of insight the other day (I shared it with my Lodge Brethren): The plumb rule is always true. It cannot lie. It always hangs perpendicular. It is governed therefore by the cosmic law, unaffected by humankind. This is not true of the level. We have to find a level surface on which to place the level in order for it to show a perfect level. Our imput therefore is required to ensure the rightness of this jewel. The square is a combination of the plumb rule and the level, and therefore indicates that rightness is achieved by the cosmos (supreme being) and humankind working together. What do you think? Or am I way behind the rest of you?
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Post by paul on Nov 21, 2010 8:35:25 GMT 9.5
The plumb rule is always true. It cannot lie. It always hangs perpendicular. It is governed therefore by the cosmic law, unaffected by humankind. Quite so. And as a result the god of Israel said he would no longer over look the offenses of his people. So, from what does the plumb line depend (hang)? Is that recorded in Masonic symbolism?
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Post by paul on Nov 21, 2010 8:37:16 GMT 9.5
This is not true of the level. We have to find a level surface on which to place the level in order for it to show a perfect level. I suggest levelness is a quality actually determined from the plumb-line as is demonstrated in the traditional working tool - it actually includes a localised plumb-line
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Post by paul on Nov 21, 2010 8:54:18 GMT 9.5
The square is a combination of the plumb rule and the level, and therefore indicates that rightness is achieved by the cosmos (supreme being) and humankind working together. Actually not all lodge floors are based upon squareness Another example The diagonal pavement seems to be associated with twin columns on the pavement This allows us to consider whether the shape of the pavement arises from alignment of influences. This is sometimes reflected in the placement of both Wardens in the West. Squareness then results from a common placement of influences: East-West and North-South, but this is not universal and is reflected in the use of triangles elsewhere in Masonry. Thus the test for squareness, in a more generalised form, is a test for compatibility with the spatial arrangement of influences that underlie Creation in that context
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