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Post by LorrB on Apr 27, 2011 10:05:31 GMT 9.5
You hit the nail on the head there Stewart... people will turn off subjects big time if it produces uncertainty and fear.
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Post by mgc on Apr 27, 2011 11:39:42 GMT 9.5
the short term mentality is frightening indd.. on longer timescales, this interglacial is still relatively cold.. things could also get a lot hotter.. if certain mechanisms kick in (like the methane on the ocean floor and in siberie changing from solid to gas) a runaway greenhouse effect could take place.. currently the icesheets act as a buffer.. if the cooling effects from the change in earths orbit and declination dont kick in 30.000 years sooner than data suggests, we could have a serious problem on our hands.. the melting of the icesheets could also trigger a (relatively short) iceage by disrupting the gulfstream.. this results in a landclimate (summers and winters more xtreme, just like were xperiencing) in western europe and more energy stored in the oceans around the equator (more / bigger storms).. im not sure which effects will prove strongest.. Hot would be better for biodiversity, but personally i cant stand the heat lol.. i wouldnt mind to have the gulfstream back..
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Post by mgc on Apr 28, 2011 13:36:47 GMT 9.5
something to underline the previous: usa on track for new tornado record..
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Post by LorrB on Apr 28, 2011 14:35:24 GMT 9.5
Access this site for a few days straight and scare yourself silly. There are a few places I wouldn't like to be travelling to right now. www.iris.washington.edu/seismon/
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Post by mgc on May 1, 2011 9:02:15 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Dec 6, 2013 8:08:05 GMT 9.5
What about Heinrich Schliemann and his discovery of Troy? I just noticed this comment on another forum. It seems relevant here "Schliemann? Like, the same dude who faked that he dined with the president and survived the great San Francisco fire in his diaries? Who lied his way into US citizenship? And then destroyed and looted all of the treasure (if there was treasure, recent evidence says that he faked that, too) found in the ancient city of Hisarlik, which he claimed was Troy?"
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Post by LorrB on Dec 6, 2013 10:10:03 GMT 9.5
Really? Not your favorite person, huh. Must read up on him.
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Post by paul on Jan 8, 2014 20:44:11 GMT 9.5
"IT SEEMS that Tutankhamen, the teenage king of ancient Egypt, sloped off to the afterlife with a good supply of fine white wine. It's a surprising discovery, considering there is no record of white wine in Egypt until the 3rd century AD, 1600 years after the young pharaoh died. " www.newscientist.com/article/mg18925395.400
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Post by Dionysus on Jan 8, 2014 20:53:05 GMT 9.5
there is no record of white wine in Egypt until the 3rd century AD There is now. The absence of white wine was never an axiom of Egyptology and its presence in the New Kingdom is no great surprise considering its provinces in the region and its trade throughout the Mediterranean.
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Post by paul on Jan 8, 2014 20:53:44 GMT 9.5
Did the Early Middle Ages Really Exist? "a phantom period of approximately 300 years has been inserted between 600 AD to 900 AD, either by accident, by misinterpretation of documents or by deliberate falsification (Illig 1991)" "“We use the C14-method only to correlate a sample of carbon with a certain tree ring. This method – at least for the post-glacial period – has become a relative method.” (Willkomm 1988,176)" www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/volatile/Niemitz-1997.pdfThus we are told that 300 years are missing and Carbon 14 dating only connects to particular trees and not to absolute time.
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Post by paul on Jan 8, 2014 20:55:56 GMT 9.5
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Post by Michael Wood on Jan 8, 2014 21:05:00 GMT 9.5
Did the Early Middle Ages Really Exist? Michael Wood famously went "In Search of the Dark Ages." He found there was no period which was entirely "dark." Knowledge advanced at different times in different places. Importantly the Early Middle Ages are amply documented (we do not need to rely on C14 or Dendrochronology).
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Post by Peter James on Jan 8, 2014 21:15:27 GMT 9.5
The Lost Millennium: History's Timetables Under Siege There are legitimate questions regarding cobbled together chronologies in Ancient History. These are matters of current debate. www.centuries.co.uk/Not in question is the necessity of translations post dating original texts.
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Post by paul on Jan 9, 2014 5:39:47 GMT 9.5
>Not in question is the necessity of translations post dating original texts.
You will be interested in Fomenko's account that many Greek texts were found for the first time in the Middle Ages, translated and the originals lost. Hence we only have the word of the monks providing the translation.
This was a great earner for the fortunate monasteries - having a large collection of unique manuscripts to attract patrons and scholars.
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Post by Anatoly Fomenko on Jan 9, 2014 8:13:22 GMT 9.5
>Not in question is the necessity of translations post dating original texts. You will be interested in Fomenko's account that many Greek texts were found for the first time in the Middle Ages, translated and the originals lost. Hence we only have the word of the monks providing the translation. This was a great earner for the fortunate monasteries - having a large collection of unique manuscripts to attract patrons and scholars.
Are Islamic and Chinese scholars also involved in this vast conspiracy which must involve all amateur and professional historians and be taught in every university and history class - All to conceal a few otherwise well documented centuries?
To what end?
New Chronology (Fomenko):
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Post by Peter James on Jan 9, 2014 8:15:12 GMT 9.5
Not in question is the necessity of translations post dating original texts.
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Post by Anatoly Fomenko on Jan 9, 2014 8:41:29 GMT 9.5
Are Islamic and Chinese scholars also involved in this vast conspiracy which must involve all amateur and professional historians and be taught in every university and history class - All to conceal a few otherwise well documented centuries As well as rejecting vast libraries of documentation from around the world, C14 dating and dendrochronology, the conspiracy would also involve archaeologists and geologists, together with armies of potters, artisans, chemists, labourers, etc., creating forged remains and artefacts, applying fake patinas and imbedding them in many thousands of square miles of datable geological layers (strata). Such complicity would require millions of conspirators (not conducive to the effective containment of secrets).
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Post by paul on Jan 9, 2014 8:51:28 GMT 9.5
Carbon 14 dating is based on layers of assumption resulting in: "A freshly killed seal, dated using Carbon-14, showed it had died 1300 years ago. Living mollusk shells were dated at up to 2,300 years old. Some very unusual evidence is that living snails' shells showed that they had died 27,000 years ago. (Ham, Snelling, & Wieland)" “"The troubles of the radiocarbon dating method are undeniably deep and serious ... It should be no surprise, then, that fully half of the dates are rejected. The wonder is, surely, that the remaining half come to be accepted." (Lee, R. E., Radiocarbon, "Ages in Error", Anthropological Journal of Canada, 1981, vol. 19, No. 3, p. 9)” (Ham, Snelling, & Wieland) www.chem.uwec.edu/Chem115_F00/nelsolar/chem.htmSo can we authenticate historical dates without C14?
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Post by Anatoly Fomenko on Jan 9, 2014 8:55:13 GMT 9.5
So can we authenticate historical dates without C14? Apply multiple methods, as is done in practice.
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Post by paul on Jan 9, 2014 8:59:39 GMT 9.5
Which multiple methods do you recommend to replace Carbon dating? Libraries of documentation?
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