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Post by paul on Oct 31, 2010 7:13:08 GMT 9.5
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Post by Henka on Oct 31, 2010 11:05:51 GMT 9.5
So, what then is your conclusion? That it was all aliens from Sirius and light beings from other dimensions? There is plenty that we know through archeology and the record left in the earth itself, and much more we will never know. The ingenuity of the human mind is limitless, and our ancient forebears we no less intelligent than are we.
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Post by paul on Oct 31, 2010 11:45:19 GMT 9.5
The ingenuity of the human mind is limitless, As was the ingenuity of medieval historians. It may be that many ages were dark from loss of records and that gap provided scope for many an ambitious cleric and monastery hence the " relatively sudden injection of so much new and unfamiliar material"
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Post by LorrB on Nov 1, 2010 8:52:46 GMT 9.5
So, what then is your conclusion? That it was all aliens from Sirius and light beings from other dimensions? There is plenty that we know through archeology and the record left in the earth itself, and much more we will never know. The ingenuity of the human mind is limitless, and our ancient forebears we no less intelligent than are we. I agree that our ancient forebears were no less intelligent than are we. However, I can see that even an intelligent person might find it hard trying to explain the unexplainable to others. If someone back then did see a man fly, they would probably explain it by attaching bird wings to the person. If an intelligent person back then saw a submarine, they might possible describe it as a whale. If an intelligent person back then saw a hovercraft, or vertical take off craft they or were taken up into the heavens they might well describe the craft as a chariot of fire. If an intelligent person back then heard a voice come out of a oblong box ... Maybe our ancestors lack a suitable frame of reference with which to describe things.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 1, 2010 11:22:15 GMT 9.5
Did Christopher Columbus discover America? Did James Cook discover Australia?
History books tell us they did, but the historians themselves now know that they didn't..
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Post by paul on Nov 1, 2010 11:37:25 GMT 9.5
In the book I referenced above, centuries of nation histories turn out to be modified versions of more recent centuries of other areas, particularly European. This is perhaps similar to writing for TV drama - same ideas and similar characters rearranged into a different place and time. Sometimes the names are not even changed. Thus Iona is not in the Ionian Sea and Hebrides is pronounced as if it were Greek. And the rivers around Troy still have their original names but they turn out to be in England www.troy-in-england.co.uk/
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Post by LorrB on Nov 1, 2010 12:48:03 GMT 9.5
I'm still battling with the link to the African language book... and the links mention therein with the Cherokee (for Henka). What about Heinrich Schliemann and his discovery of Troy? Which came first. I still find it amusing that we have a Bethlehem and a lot of other Biblical places in the USA. All so confusing.
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Post by paul on Nov 1, 2010 13:52:44 GMT 9.5
What about Heinrich Schliemann and his discovery of Troy? "Like Dörpfeld, Blegen found nine layers, but recognized that Troy VI had been destroyed by an earthquake. This meant it wasn't Priam's city, fallen in a war or raid. The city now believed to be the Troy of legend is the next layer, Troy VIIa. It is built of similar materials, as if rebuilt after the earthquake. But it lasted only about 100 years before being destroyed by fire and looting. Troy VIII, which stood while Homer actually lived, was a small Greek village. Troy IX was the city of Ilium, ruled by the Greeks and later by the Romans." So the real Troy is Troy VIIa If it is so hard to pin down perhaps it is not right.
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Post by mgc on Nov 3, 2010 0:37:57 GMT 9.5
i agree a lot of history and historians r bunk.. not all of it / them of course.. there r many kinds of history.. dna for xample, xposes the history of bloodlines in a factual way.. ice-core samples can tell u a lot about the history of the climate, etc etc.. science is a powerful tool for historians.. it limits having to rely on written accounts of events and myths and legends passed down over the millenia..
better science = a more accurate representation of history
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Post by LorrB on Nov 3, 2010 8:03:48 GMT 9.5
.. dna for xample, xposes the history of bloodlines in a factual way.. and they now know that we all come from the one female in Africa... (henka close your eyes, but it is written by a PhD) ... which is what the Sumarian Tablets tell us. Enki said, "Ningishziddha, my son, their fashioning essence [DNA structure] has tested; akin to ours it is, like two serpents it is entwined. When with our life essence shall be combined, our mark upon them shall be, a Primitive Worker shall be created. Our commands will he understand. Our tools he will handle, the toil in the excavations he shall perform, to the Anunnaki in the Abuzu [Africa] relief shall come." [Sitchin, Z., 2002, The Lost Book of Enki, page 130]
www.enkispeaks.com/Essays/14EnkiThothNinmahCreateSlaveSpecies_2.html
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Post by LorrB on Nov 3, 2010 8:33:07 GMT 9.5
ice-core samples can tell u a lot about the history of the climate, etc etc.. science is a powerful tool for historians.. .. but not for climate change caused by man proponents. Samples from ice cores and rock cores tell us that climate change happens regularly, as do major continent changing earthquakes, floods and magnetic pole reversals. Science also tells us that some artifacts are of unknown origin and cannot, even today, be reproduced. Some of our ancestors must have reached a degree of technological brilliance which we still aspire to, and then disappeared, for whatever reason. Science is a powerful tool! Pity is - that educated egocentrics restrict its unfoldment using the same methods that religious egocentrics do. How many wonderful scientists and researchers have died prematurely, for one reason or another, because of their discoveries.
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Post by mgc on Apr 25, 2011 0:31:03 GMT 9.5
Speaking of climate change; it looks like this april is on track for another record.. sofar we average 4 degrees above normal.. (thats a LOT)
Do u have an xample?
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Post by paul on Apr 25, 2011 6:50:02 GMT 9.5
Figure 1: Temperature change at Vostok, Antarctica (Petit 2000). The timing of warmer interglacials is highlighted in green; our current interglacial, the Holocene, is the one on the far right of the graph. www.skepticalscience.com/heading-into-new-little-ice-age.htmThe graph seems to indicate that we are on the edge of a new ice age.
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Post by paul on Apr 25, 2011 6:59:51 GMT 9.5
Here is a simple example - a pre-dynastic vase. It was made when historians believe Egypt did not have centralised government. www.antiques.com/classified/1094317/Antique-Predynastic-Egyptian-Mottled-Stone-Vase---PF-0076"The walls of the vessel are characteristically thin, contributing to its delicate translucency which attests to the skill of the ancient Egyptian craftsmen in creating such wafer-thin, stone objects" We could make such a precision object of clay on a wheel, but how would we make it of stone?
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Post by Stewart Edwards on Apr 25, 2011 22:11:47 GMT 9.5
The graph seems to indicate that we are on the edge of a new ice age. Indeed I was taught this on an Oceanography university course a few years back. Hence it is scientifically accepted enough to be in undergraduate degrees. The other giveaway is the sea bed evidence relating to magnetic pole shifts throughout history - we are well over due. When this happens insects and birds wont be able to migrate as normal, affecting pollination, which will affect crop yields big time, which could easily lead to serious global food shortages. Then war etc. How it interacts with the coming ice age I dont remember offhand but it may have to do with shifting balance points in the environment in terms of ocean current and air/ocean interaction changes. Scientists do expect it to happen (else it wouldn't be in university science courses), but the human race comfort zone prevents people from thinking that it is something that could happen in my lifetime. Errr - yes it could.
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Post by mgc on Apr 26, 2011 3:32:09 GMT 9.5
with something abrasive and a lot of time.. just keep sanding away untill theres light at the other side of the tunnel (/jar)
this object is far from implausible imo..
do u think governments r trying to delay / neutralise the comming ice age by pumping greenhouse gasses etc into the air?
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Post by paul on Apr 26, 2011 7:59:07 GMT 9.5
with something abrasive and a lot of time.. just keep sanding away untill theres light at the other side of the tunnel (/jar) this object is far from implausible imo.. The New Zealand Maori made ornaments (tikis) from a jade using wood and sand. A large tiki would take perhaps 3 generations to make. These however were not hollow. The production of delicate granite vases for household use indicates that the manufacturing process was much easier than that used by the Maori.
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Post by mgc on Apr 26, 2011 10:17:30 GMT 9.5
perhaps by spinning the vase with sharp sand or perhaps small rocks inside..
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Post by paul on Apr 26, 2011 10:44:36 GMT 9.5
Are there any cultures that claim to have done that?
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Post by mgc on Apr 26, 2011 11:36:26 GMT 9.5
not that i know of
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