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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 11:12:30 GMT 9.5
I just came across this extraordinary site. Is this for real? Amazing! www.lastsupperreflection.com/#(and what is the Pyramid Knight all about?) I only gave it second thought because when you do superimpose the images the reverse the dark side of the room is enlightened. I think that would be a Leonardo genius stoke..
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 11:13:42 GMT 9.5
I wonder if the mirrored image of Mona Lisa would reveal anything.
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Post by paul on Sept 29, 2010 11:23:14 GMT 9.5
It is pretty clear that Leonardo had access to camera technology.
I would however expect something a bit more revelatory about the superimposed images of the Last Supper - if that was intended by him.
For example the John gesture should turn into something explanatory, and the large gap between JC and the female on his right should be resolved in some way
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 11:38:39 GMT 9.5
Showing that one of the apostles (the one whom He loved?) was female and they had a child would have been quite explosive I would have thought. Might have even cost him his life.
Have you heard of a Pyramid Knight? This is a newby to me.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 11:43:46 GMT 9.5
the large gap between JC and the female on his right should be resolved in some way I think the large gap is to the key that suggests there is something amiss. Jesus is not centred in the original painting, He only becomes so when the mirror image is superimposed. The whole painting becomes balanced then.
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Post by paul on Sept 29, 2010 12:18:44 GMT 9.5
Certainly the large gap is significant - no skilled composition could have that accidentally, but the superimposed image shows no resolution of the apparent alienation of the two characters. There is possibly a baby in the superimposition with which the female is concerned - but then who is the male holding the child? Thus we are left with the unexplained gap - unless we consider that MM had a child earlier than recounted and by a different male.
The "pyramid knight" seems hardly clearer by superimposition and not very credible.
The categorisation is perhaps permissable in the interaction of Sumerian mythology and the LDH RC ritual. Thus the Sons of Light (Great Pyramid = Lighthouse) being the sons of the Widow who was the Lady of the Great House, were called together from the north and south for the meeting with Anu/On who descended to sort out the feuding.
If that is represented here, I would expect the John gesture to be clearly linked to any knight in the picture - but it is not.
There is much hidden in the painting, but I suspect most of the meaning has yet to be discovered
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 12:29:22 GMT 9.5
Here is the key to the apostles... from left to right • Bartholomew, James, son of Alphaeus and Andrew form a group of three, all are surprised. • Judas Iscariot, Peter and John form another group of three. Judas is wearing green and blue and is in shadow, looking rather withdrawn and taken aback by the sudden revelation of his plan. He is clutching a small bag, perhaps signifying the silver given to him as payment to betray Jesus, or perhaps a reference to his role within the 12 disciples as treasurer.[4] He is the only person to have his elbow on the table. Peter looks angry and is holding a knife pointed away from Christ, perhaps foreshadowing his violent reaction in Gethsemane during Jesus' arrest. The youngest apostle, John, appears to swoon. • Jesus • Apostle Thomas, James the Greater and Philip are the next group of three. Thomas is clearly upset; James the Greater looks stunned, with his arms in the air. Meanwhile, Philip appears to be requesting some explanation. • Matthew, Jude Thaddeus and Simon the Zealot are the final group of three. Both Jude Thaddeus and Matthew are turned toward Simon, perhaps to find out if he has any answer to their initial questions. Since when do men swoon? John is Mary!!! And (wish I was an author) if you look at the original painting (1970's) on the link below you will see that 'John' is painted in mirror image colours of Jesus (but slightly paler) AND if you look really closely you will see that Leonardo painted them one each side of a giant heart. Slight variations of colour and the dark green of Judas garment will guide the eye in the right direction. The white thingy above gives the dent in the heart the pointy bottom of the heart is where the hands meet. God, I'm good. I'm sure that other people must have noticed this and share my thoughts, but for me right now, I feel like I've struck gold. Of course this means nothing more than Leonardo DaVinci believed these things to be true. The finger is pointing to the 'invisible heart'?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 12:33:23 GMT 9.5
www.lastsupperreflection.com/#Just found this too.. run the cursor between 'Grail' and Pyramid Knight (just after half way). Didn't see this first time round.
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Post by paul on Sept 29, 2010 12:33:44 GMT 9.5
Here is the John gesture Note the slight camera lens distortion
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 12:41:34 GMT 9.5
In the Last Supper isn't that gesture made by Thomas... Doubting Thomas who had to put his finger into the wounded side of Jesus to prove to himself that he had risen from the dead?
There are twelve apostles at the last supper including Judas... so theoretically none of them are supposed the be female. I still maintain at this point in time that Jesus did make Mary male (as per the Gospel) and called her 'John' (wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't meant to be tongue is cheek at that).
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 12:43:48 GMT 9.5
... your John (pictured above) looks very feminine and very much like the Mona Lisa.... same enigmatic smile...
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Post by paul on Sept 29, 2010 13:29:42 GMT 9.5
>In the Last Supper isn't that gesture made by Thomas. That would be consistent with conventional Christian accounts but this painting is not conventional Here are some more Here the cross for John was put into a later version and the John gesture taken out. But is it really John who has the cross? In the image further up, the title is Madonna with yarn-winder - a rather contrived means of introducing a particular form of cross. And speaking of unconventional - can you spot the erection?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 14:20:06 GMT 9.5
No. And I have new glasses
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2010 14:23:49 GMT 9.5
Knew someone else out there must have spotted all these things before ... just found this .. http://ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html This article makes a case for ascribing authorship of the Fourth Gospel (the Gospel of John) in the New Testament to Mary Magdalene. As far as I know -- no previously published work has made an argument in support of this hypothesis. Most biblical scholars today assert that the Fourth Gospel was authored by an anonymous follower of Jesus referred to within the Gospel text as the Beloved Disciple. It is posited here that, in an earlier tradition of the Fourth Gospel's community, the now "anonymous" Beloved Disciple was known to be Mary Magdalene. It is further posited that Mary Magdalene is the true founder and hero of what has come to be known as the Johannine Community (i.e., Mary Magdalene was one of the original apostolic founders and leaders of the early Christian church).
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Post by paul on Sept 29, 2010 14:46:24 GMT 9.5
No. And I have new glasses Try this one: it is the rocks above and to the side of the central woman That combines with the red robes of a priestess to make the heretical undercurrent pretty clear
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Post by paul on Sept 29, 2010 14:48:04 GMT 9.5
"It is further posited that Mary Magdalene is the true founder and hero of what has come to be known as the Johannine Community"
In which case the superimposed image showing another man holding a child might have some meaning
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Post by LorrB on Oct 10, 2010 16:11:38 GMT 9.5
OK.. I have no reputation to protect, so I can come right on out with what I think (surprise!) Each time I look at the original painting my eye is drawn to the guy in green 2nd to the central person's left. My mind keeps telling me this person is actually the Jesus figure. Ridiculous I keep telling myself up till now. Take a close look at the mirror image of The Last Supper. It is this person that is actually embracing the feminine figure with one arm whilst the other is outstretched toward the central figure. Behind the loving couple is a figure cradling a baby. Each side of the central figure is someone giving the St John the Baptist finger sign... pointing out something to us? I also learned that DaVinci painted himself into the picture, the second person in from the end is him, and he is talking to what looks like me to be a knight ? So here we have DaVince and a Knight Templar (?), who held both John the Baptist and the Magdalene in highest esteem as the main figures - and Jesus is in the background. Much like Freemasonry today don't you think? And does any one else but me see the 'invisible' heart that DaVinci painted in... ascending from the midpoint of the edge of the table in from of the central figure you will see the curve between the green and the blue (follow the curve to see the rest). Easier to see on the original, non mirror image.
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Post by Henka on Oct 11, 2010 4:38:50 GMT 9.5
You been watching The Davinci Code again, Lorr?
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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2010 9:37:02 GMT 9.5
The DaVinci code is only recent stuff... The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, I read 30 years ago. That was a real eye opener. From there I read lots on the Cathars, which introduced me to other groups who held beliefs contrary to the usual Catholic Church stuff.
Dr Barbara Thiering's books, Jesus the Man, et al are wonderful scholarly works, which come to some amazing conclusions.
In short, I have come a long way since my Catholic school girl (going to become a nun) days. I can't tell you how devastated I was to learn that all Popes were not good.
Now I look at everything. And listen to everybody.
The painting above is only a reflection of Leonardo DaVinci believed was the truth at that time.
When I was pondering upon the above, a thought flashed into my mind that if I was in search for truth I should find out what Giordano Bruno believed to be the truth. All I know at this moment is that Giordano was burnt at the stake for heresy, like so many other scientists and scholars.
My immediate task now is to try and find out what he believed to be Truth.
There is always help at hand when you seek earnestly! TYG.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 28, 2010 12:01:49 GMT 9.5
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