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Post by LorrB on Sept 13, 2010 16:57:19 GMT 9.5
Living systems are organised in such a way that they form multi-levelled structures, each level consisting of subsystems which are wholes in regard to their parts, and parts with respect to the larger wholes. Thus molecules combine to form organelles, which in turn combine to form cells. The cells form tissues and organs, which themselves form larger systems, like the digestive system or the nervous system. These, finally, combine to form the living woman or man; and the ‘stratified order’ does not end there. People form families, tribes, societies, nations. All these entities – from molecules to human being, and on to social systems – can be regarded as wholes in the sense of being integrated structures, and also as parts of larger wholes at high level of complexity. In fact, we shall see that parts and wholes in an absolute sense do not exist at all.
Fritjof Capra
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Post by paul on Sept 13, 2010 18:54:45 GMT 9.5
In the case of humans, the substance used for thinking by each mind is cycled through from local aspects of the planetary pool. It is actually rather difficult to use that substance for new thoughts. The substance takes quite some effort to make it suited to new thoughts.
I sometimes wonder if humans ever have original thoughts.
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Post by coach on Sept 13, 2010 22:47:14 GMT 9.5
Is it the ant or the hive that is the organism?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 14, 2010 9:46:56 GMT 9.5
In the case of humans, the substance used for thinking by each mind is cycled through from local aspects of the planetary pool. It is actually rather difficult to use that substance for new thoughts. The substance takes quite some effort to make it suited to new thoughts. I sometimes wonder if humans ever have original thoughts. If you change 'planetary pool' to 'family pool' I think it might be easier to understand. All children are taught primarily by their family unit. If this unit is 'uneducated' there is a good chance that the child will remain within those narrow confines of mind, they will not be developed enough or enthused to think new things, there will be a tendency to relive the common experience of that family. However, if one breaks those ties and gains a higher education, not only will the/she change their life they will oftentimes have a positive effect upon the family unit. Carry this scenario forward over several generations and one can see that the ant or bee will have an affect on the hive and the hive will have an affect on future bees. I agree with Paul that it does take the exceptional person to break through the eggshell (substance) of the norm and come up with some totally new thought. The exceptions are so few that we usually list their names in out textbooks or religious texts. |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 14, 2010 10:10:02 GMT 9.5
I think that thinking is not that important, it is coming to a realisation that is important. I don't think that I am part of God, I realised it in a moment and all fear of death departed. (Well, almost, I don't want to be there when it happens  ) |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 14, 2010 10:57:07 GMT 9.5
...... only after coming to the realisation that I was part of God did I start to think about it, and that was when I realized that science was starting to inform us along these lines, as per the opening post on this thread.
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Post by paul on Sept 14, 2010 11:15:18 GMT 9.5
>thinking is not that important, it is coming to a realisation that is important.
This may need some teasing out.
Early in human spiritual development there is minimal ability to perceive Reality so that logic, dogma and authority are the primary supports for theology and philosophy.
By the time of the first initiation (genuine not ritual) the human can perceive that more than matter exists - hence knows that Life has meaning (or that God exists) but without any comprehension of the intent behind the meaning or divine plan
Progressively the initiate is able to perceive Reality at emotional and then mental levels. For example the initiate may investigate the completeness of a mental construct by spatial exploration of its surfaces - detecting missing or misformed surfaces.
Thus mental processes increasingly become experiential and sensate.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 14, 2010 15:59:23 GMT 9.5
For example the initiate may investigate the completeness of a mental construct by spatial exploration of its surfaces - detecting missing or misformed surfaces. err .... Huh ?? (I feel like Tim, the Toolman Taylor talking to Wilson over the fence ) Example please ? ... I think I know what this means but I don't want to confirm to all that maybe I don't .. |
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Post by paul on Sept 14, 2010 18:44:21 GMT 9.5
The mental plane comprises substance and intelligences. The substance can be formed into coherent structures (e.g. thought forms) and informed by intelligent entities.
The initiate learns to create thought forms and energise them. The initiate progressively learns how to detect the presence of such forms created by others and to interact consciously with them rather than be unconsciously impressed by their content.
A current example is the thought form associated with the Australian National Broadband. If you put your attention to the thought form you may see that it is an irregular 3D convex form that looks as if it has been split wide open. If you look inside the form you may see that some fine structure has been constructed in some parts.
You can now test that nature of that fine structure by putting your attention to various end user groups. Consider the rural users and see how much fine structure is dedicated to them. Now put your attention to medical uses for the NBN. How much fine structure has been developed for that?
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Post by coach on Sept 14, 2010 22:41:35 GMT 9.5
In the case of humans, the substance used for thinking by each mind is cycled through from local aspects of the planetary pool. It is actually rather difficult to use that substance for new thoughts. The substance takes quite some effort to make it suited to new thoughts. I sometimes wonder if humans ever have original thoughts. If you change 'planetary pool' to 'family pool' I think it might be easier to understand. All children are taught primarily by their family unit. If this unit is 'uneducated' there is a good chance that the child will remain within those narrow confines of mind, they will not be developed enough or enthused to think new things, there will be a tendency to relive the common experience of that family. However, if one breaks those ties and gains a higher education, not only will the/she change their life they will oftentimes have a positive effect upon the family unit. Carry this scenario forward over several generations and one can see that the ant or bee will have an affect on the hive and the hive will have an affect on future bees. I agree with Paul that it does take the exceptional person to break through the eggshell (substance) of the norm and come up with some totally new thought. The exceptions are so few that we usually list their names in out textbooks or religious texts. Would it be wise to differentiate "existing" and "living?" |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2010 8:32:28 GMT 9.5
What exists that doesn't live its own unique life?
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2010 8:43:53 GMT 9.5
As all matter comprises elemental substance and thereby elemental intelligence, all that exists has life.
This is instinctively understood by people who talk to their cars
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Post by coach on Sept 15, 2010 11:14:30 GMT 9.5
What exists that doesn't live its own unique life? Define "life" please. |
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2010 11:41:11 GMT 9.5
As every thing and every being exist within the body of the Creator all partake of Life
Of course humans breathe rather quickly and have trouble discerning those beings whose bodies have much slower respiratory rates
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Post by coach on Sept 15, 2010 22:51:49 GMT 9.5
So, exist = existence = life = alive for you?
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Post by paul on Sept 18, 2010 10:30:05 GMT 9.5
Since all exists as substance within the organ-ic body of the Creator, all partake of life regardless of their awareness. This is reflected in the concept of quantum entanglement - where matter is connected regardless of separation. "in an entangled pair when the first particle is measured, the state of the other is known at the same time without measurement, regardless of the separation of the two particles" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement |
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Post by coach on Sept 18, 2010 22:27:10 GMT 9.5
Since all exists as substance within the organ-ic body of the Creator, all partake of life regardless of their awareness. This is reflected in the concept of quantum entanglement - where matter is connected regardless of separation. "in an entangled pair when the first particle is measured, the state of the other is known at the same time without measurement, regardless of the separation of the two particles" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglementSo, if I use your logic, because all elements partake in the process of life, all that exists is then alive? |
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Post by paul on Sept 19, 2010 6:19:33 GMT 9.5
>all that exists is then alive? That has been the experience of many mystics and more recently a common experience of the users of psychedelic drugs with a whole art form based on the universality of life. Here is a mild example  Of course the aliveness of a piece of wood is much greater than that of a piece of MDF (medium density fibreboard) but both are perceptible to many sensitives. |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 20, 2010 9:06:10 GMT 9.5
I was watching a science show on TV on Black Holes over the weekend. Great graphics. It showed Black Holes consuming whole galaxies. Now, at that level of observation, one would have trouble trying to locate our solar system on the outskirts of the galaxy, let alone imagining that minute 'particles (us)' lived the lives that we do.
Maybe stones, metals, etc could be viewed differently, keeping the above in mind.
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Post by paul on Sept 20, 2010 9:15:12 GMT 9.5
>Maybe stones, metals, etc could be viewed differently, keeping the above in mind.
Quartz is particularly interesting. Its etheric structure appears to extend across the galaxy - thereby allowing instant energy connections.
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