I found this video of the supposed master very interesting. I wonder what everyone's perspective is on it.
Is the energy that is transferred to the patient very dense and physical and only affects the physical body; whereas the Heart Flame exercise works the other way round... from the most subtle layer when affected everything transforms on the more dense layers?
Post by anshinodharma on Nov 28, 2022 5:47:33 GMT 9.5
Perhaps I should elaborate a bit…
So in the Daoist and some Yogic systems such as Vajrayana…
The foundation stages are all about building a foundation. Since most of us start out not at the peak of health; we’re depleted, our channels and organ systems in Chinese medicine terms are in havoc and disarray… Our emotions are easily dysregulated, our minds are unfocused and dull, and we frequently move into states or fight and flight…
Daoist Neigong and alchemy works on clearing all this out using very dense physical methods… and that energy is then refined and then stored at higher and higher degrees. But it’s all very physical for many years before it gets subtler — such as interacting with other realms and beings.
The reason for this is explained in the quote by a Daoist practitioner here below:
“Imagine you’re an incandescent lightbulb… you’re starting out with a filament that can handle say 30 watts…
With Neigong we (my teachers particular approach) want to build up the strength and thickness of that filament until it can handle 3000 watts.
Then we use alchemy to generate ever more power to get to that wattage… Then we refine the output… so that there’s less heat generated by the bulb and instead more light generated.
Putting 3000watts in a 30watt bulb will result in the bulb popping.
Thats what qi gong and Neigong (and even the martial arts to some extent) are generally used for.”
In my understanding with the Heart Flame method here we are focusing on something more subtle … we are connecting directly to Spirit and then letting that connection through the heart balance elementals and intelligences that “run” our body. This is a very non-physical method that uses our intent and conscious willing of energy movement and also tracing various interactions as this beautiful Light energy is moved around in the body…
The question then becomes:
By working subtly in such a manner and as the elementals and intelligences that run the physical body “change” in function as the relationships change — will actual dense physical changes also occur?
Will the changes happen on all levels of manifestation or should we forget about the “body” and tend more to the subtle? And as the subtle improves the body and more dense aspects will be fully functional and optimized?
For me I feel immense joy and love for the Heart Flame method so it resonates well with me — but I am always curious to understand the underpinning mechanics of the different systems.
If I understand Paul well the old pralaya was one of energetic — the current is one of relationships. The future is one of will?
So much to learn. I will keep going using this Flame method as I find opening my heart daily brings me much joy to me and my loved ones… And I find that so important. But I do find the physicality of things interesting — but this very interest may have its genesis in my solar plexus intelligence… not feeling fully assertive and dense in myself and thus seeking out things that can bring that feeling “into the body” such as the martial arts…
Maybe the desire and interest for this will wane as my relationship with the solar plexus elemental changes. That would be interesting
The overlighting spirit of the martial arts comes from the previous solar system.
In this solar system the focus is on relationship with the energy skills being primarily subconscious.
Bringing those skills into the conscious level (e.g. conscious control of blood pressure) is usually a retrograde step.
The solar logos has learned energy and intelligence and now needs right relationship so that those energies may be used productively.
This makes very good sense, thank you.
My question would then be if right relationship is built — will access to the energy and intelligence then be directly accessible or would it need to be learned “anew”?
As the human develops right relationships with its internal elementals, nature spirits and higher devas, the human progressively discards lower subplane material - including solids, liquids and gases - so that only the highest subplane remains of each plane. This can be done because the now very refined relationships do not use lower subplane matter.
The highest subplane is capable of generating the properties of lower subplanes as required. Consider for example the various ufo abduction accounts where the abductee has passed directly through solid walls. One case in NYC was observed by an FBI agent
Having reduced all the lower bodies to only first subplane matter, the initiate at some stage is invited to discharge even first subplane material and have a set of bodies manifested from electric fire (fohat).
This state allows the initiate to choose immortality
Fire by friction operates the dense bodies Solar fire operates the higher mental body - soul/neschama Electric fire operates buddhic and higher bodies
So in the Daoist and some Yogic systems such as Vajrayana…
The foundation stages are all about building a foundation. Since most of us start out not at the peak of health; we’re depleted, our channels and organ systems in Chinese medicine terms are in havoc and disarray… Our emotions are easily dysregulated, our minds are unfocused and dull, and we frequently move into states or fight and flight…
Daoist Neigong and alchemy works on clearing all this out using very dense physical methods… and that energy is then refined and then stored at higher and higher degrees. But it’s all very physical for many years before it gets subtler — such as interacting with other realms and beings.
The reason for this is explained in the quote by a Daoist practitioner here below:
“Imagine you’re an incandescent lightbulb… you’re starting out with a filament that can handle say 30 watts…
With Neigong we (my teachers particular approach) want to build up the strength and thickness of that filament until it can handle 3000 watts.
Then we use alchemy to generate ever more power to get to that wattage… Then we refine the output… so that there’s less heat generated by the bulb and instead more light generated.
Putting 3000watts in a 30watt bulb will result in the bulb popping.
Thats what qi gong and Neigong (and even the martial arts to some extent) are generally used for.”
In my understanding with the Heart Flame method here we are focusing on something more subtle … we are connecting directly to Spirit and then letting that connection through the heart balance elementals and intelligences that “run” our body. This is a very non-physical method that uses our intent and conscious willing of energy movement and also tracing various interactions as this beautiful Light energy is moved around in the body…
The question then becomes:
By working subtly in such a manner and as the elementals and intelligences that run the physical body “change” in function as the relationships change — will actual dense physical changes also occur?
Will the changes happen on all levels of manifestation or should we forget about the “body” and tend more to the subtle? And as the subtle improves the body and more dense aspects will be fully functional and optimized?
For me I feel immense joy and love for the Heart Flame method so it resonates well with me — but I am always curious to understand the underpinning mechanics of the different systems.
If I understand Paul well the old pralaya was one of energetic — the current is one of relationships. The future is one of will?
So much to learn. I will keep going using this Flame method as I find opening my heart daily brings me much joy to me and my loved ones… And I find that so important. But I do find the physicality of things interesting — but this very interest may have its genesis in my solar plexus intelligence… not feeling fully assertive and dense in myself and thus seeking out things that can bring that feeling “into the body” such as the martial arts…
Maybe the desire and interest for this will wane as my relationship with the solar plexus elemental changes. That would be interesting
In any case, I digress.
I appreciate any thoughts as always.
🙏
anshinodharma, that is very interesting. It has given me food for thought, given my own past martial art training (Japan Karate Association U.K.), and the energies I felt theirin.
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As the human develops right relationships with its internal elementals, nature spirits and higher devas, the human progressively discards lower subplane material - including solids, liquids and gases - so that only the highest subplane remains of each plane. This can be done because the now very refined relationships do not use lower subplane matter.
The highest subplane is capable of generating the properties of lower subplanes as required. Consider for example the various ufo abduction accounts where the abductee has passed directly through solid walls. One case in NYC was observed by an FBI agent
Having reduced all the lower bodies to only first subplane matter, the initiate at some stage is invited to discharge even first subplane material and have a set of bodies manifested from electric fire (fohat).
This state allows the initiate to choose immortality
Fire by friction operates the dense bodies Solar fire operates the higher mental body - soul/neschama Electric fire operates buddhic and higher bodies
This is truly incredible. Thank you so much for sharing this.
So the Flame in the Heart (or the Heart Flame method as I tend to call it) brings direct connection to Spirit and bringing in the Light - does the flame relate to any of the fires you just described? Is it the solar fire or the electric fire or even beyond this we are touching when doing the method?
Also - as the Light is spread throughout the different parts of the body - the reactions that are felt at those levels can become subtler and subtler until clear communication occurs between the human and the elementals directly? Is that correctly understood?
Also - what are the signs of replacing the more dense lower subplane material with the very refined highest subplane material? Is it related to feeling bliss, joy, or is something more specific?
In all the humans I have just looked at, the vertical flow of white Light has at its center at least a thread of electric fire. Some have much more than a thread. Beyond electric fire (fohat) and before Existence is Beingness.
Humans that are posted into the solar system typically have a double flow and hence two flows of electric fire - from different star systems.
As the human approaches first stage enlightenment, solar fire (that operates the soul) flows relatively easily through the personality.
> until clear communication occurs between the human and the elementals directly?
Generally the human should not deal with elementals directly until first stage enlightenment. This is to avoid uncontrolled overload on parts of the personality.
>signs of replacing the more dense lower subplane material
The process is discarding substance that is no longer used. Thus heavy emotions such as jealousy no longer are experienced. Heavy logical thoughts no longer persist or dominate.
