Struggling with a book, but want to finish it.

[stewartedwards]

Background, in decades past I read number of David Icke books to try to understand his perspective. I found them engrossing. Not read any for perhaps over a decade.

Now I have picked up a book by another author, which appears to have the support of a lot of known respected contributors to the field. So I am not going to name it as I really do not want to upset anyone, and recognise that I am only a chapter in.

But, and there are a lot of buts,…..

1. The analysis and judgements made on prior statements, seem a bit well….they are not inferences I would make as there seems to be no logical connection from A to B.
2. On a couple of occasions claims made appear to fly in the face of reason.
3. I don’t want to upset so I can’t give too many/accurate examples, but egish,(1) bad aliens use their technology/abilities to trace back family lineages of humans today. Fair enough, but just prior to this it is noted that (2) bad aliens were involved in the creation of the homo branch of humans (the reptilian brain). So (3) it would have been far easier for the bad aliens to simply keep a ledger of human births. Hence (4) I struggle to take the stated claim seriously. Especially since (5) it is stated that the bad aliens actually intend to mess with the homo lineage (is us). (6) it just doesn’t stack up. They can do advanced stuff working backwards from today, but can’t keep a simple register of births.

I really hope that this book improves, especially since I know for example Paul holds some of the beliefs/knowledge as stated in this book, but I am really struggling, having already verbalised twice in the first chapter that this is nuts.

For clarity I am not at odds with the beliefs/stated knowledge. It is the analysis, judgements and conclusions of following A to B that I am struggling with.

I can’t just ignore this, and if it was a book on any other subject I would mentally bin it. (I can’t bring myself to bin books they are to be treasured).

So, anyone any ideas on how best to progress? Keeping an open mind is no problem, the content itself interests me, but really it shoots itself in the foot to anyone trained in analysis, judgements etc. It makes claims that just don’t obviously follow from its source data (contributors) and seems to ignore the obvious eg 3 above.

To give added perspective the topics and contributors of this book are close to Paul’s beliefs and sources (hence one reason why I bought it), so I do want to finish it.

Help!

[paul]

You need not be concerned with offending me - so it might be easier if you state the book and the particular issues.

Even if the authors are of high consciousness, there is still the problem of finding suitable words to express subtle issues.

I might say that the concept of "bad" is a bit limiting. I recall reading that Mao Zedong (Mao Tse Tung) was once asked if he thought the French Revolution a success. Apparently he replied: It is too early to tell. Similarly with good and bad

Here on Earth we have the Oppression System that most of us have suffered under and some still do. Who is to say that 20 incarnations of oppression are not important in forcing the human to uncover and heal all its weaknesses?

What then for repressive empires in the galaxy?

[stewartedwards]

Nov 13, 2022 7:19:34 GMT 9.5 paul said:

You need not be concerned with offending me - so it might be easier if you state the book and the particular issues.

Even if the authors are of high consciousness, there is still the problem of finding suitable words to express subtle issues.

I might say that the concept of "bad" is a bit limiting. I recall reading that Mao Zedong (Mao Tse Tung) was once asked if he thought the French Revolution a success. Apparently he replied: It is too early to tell. Similarly with good and bad

Here on Earth we have the Oppression System that most of us have suffered under and some still do. Who is to say that 20 incarnations of oppression are not important in forcing the human to uncover and heal all its weaknesses?

What then for repressive empires in the galaxy?

Paul

It is not just you I am concerned about upsetting, it the author and the contributors. It’s a well reviewed book in the field, easy to buy into. Let me read some more chapters before I get specific. I just can’t remember the last book I read, on a subject that interests me, and others here, that has had me loudly verbalise, “this is nuts”, far less twice in one chapter.

In the meantime Paul I will reflect upon your words, re finding the right words and the oppression system.

[stewartedwards]

On the plus side, this book notes that one of the underground bases in Antarctica is where I intuitively think it is. Though obviously given the scale that is still quite a large area to pin down.

[stewartedwards]

Well, I have finished the book. It is “Dark Fleet, The Secret Nazi Space Program and the Battle for the Solar System” by Len Kasten.


My Amazon review:

“ Troubling
Reviewed in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 on 15 November 2022
I have no trouble with aliens and UFOs, in fact I would love a UFO to land in front of me so that I could shake the hand of an alien.

However this book has troubled me in several ways. Let’s start with the bad, and then the good.

The Bad:

1. I found the analysis of information to be lacking. Moreover much seems to have been taken on faith.
2. On occasion simpler explanations are obvious.
3. Wiki is used as a reference source. Wiki can be edited by anyone, anytime.
4. Further into the book, it seems to be just one dollop of testimony followed by another, without full context, analysis, criticism, etc.
5. By the end of the book I felt that I had just read a summary of several science fiction movies. Though the author does of an explanation for this.
6. There seemed to be little, if any, cross referencing or verifying information beyond the original testimonies.

The Good:

1. It was a fun read.
2. Through the frustrations of the author seemingly taking everything said by someone as fact, there were some illuminating moments.

While I don’t expect to read any more of the authors books, I recognise from the multitude of five star reviews that plenty of people find this book more enlightening than I do. But the lack of analysis, context verification, and so on, I think that this book shoots itself in the foot, and could have been far more robust.

Example, there is a map of underground bases in Antarctica. It shows five or six location. The book talks about one of them, but which one is it? This sort of generality weakens the book. I too think (intuitively) that there is an underground facility at one of the locations noted on the map, so while this book offers me some independent confirmation, it is weak, simply because the author has simply ringed some locations and left it at that. It would have been nice to have more detail on each of them.

Give me testimony, supported by referenced verification where possible. Give me objective analysis of testimonies. Give me logical flows from A to B, with considered judgements. Give me something more than, this person said that on Wiki!

I gave this book three stars for I did enjoy it, but it was nearly two stars. Yet it could have been four stars if it was substantially more robust.”


Now my notes for Paul.

1. I still don’t get the negative vibes from Orion. I have always found Orion to be of great comfort.
2. While, as the book isn’t specific, I don’t know whether Base 211 (the sole Antarctica based discussed out of the six ringed on the map), is the same one I can connect too, the swastika on a dusty wall that I viewed, makes potential sense. It’s a pity that the author didn’t even specify which of the bases was 211.
3. I can understand better your concerns over Nazi energies.
4. Again I got the, rather arrogant, feeling that this was my planet (in terms of having a responsibility towards), from reading this book.
5. At one point, mid way through, I felt a distinct energy between me and the book. That was interesting.

[paul]

There are lots of allegedly eye witness accounts of the Dark Fleet etc.

www.google.com/search?q=%2220+and+back%22&ie=UTF-8

[stewartedwards]

And yet astronomers still haven’t found alien life!

(Just been to a lecture, where that was noted, by Professor Chris Lintott, University of Oxford, England, and Sky at Night presenter. Mind you he seemed more irritated by Elon Musk than by aliens. The pictures of mars were interesting. There is definitely ice under the sandy surface. An asteroid strike (10 metre diameter) caused a 100 metre crater and exposed it.)

Given the power of decent amateur telescopes nowadays I do struggle with why the internet is not choc full of home taken telescopic pictures of alien craft etc. (Which are then cross referenced and verified).

[paul]

>And yet astronomers still haven’t found alien life!

Fortunately Google Moon marks all those places with rectangular blurring.

[stewartedwards]

Nov 16, 2022 7:12:14 GMT 9.5 paul said:

>And yet astronomers still haven’t found alien life!

Fortunately Google Moon marks all those places with rectangular blurring.

I should have asked him about that!

[paul]

"Rebecca Rose claims to have served for 20 years as a cyborg supersoldier first on Mars and later in the outer reaches of our solar system, where she was based on a Kuiper Belt facility run by Draco Reptilians.

While Germans associated with the Dark Fleet often visited the Draco run facility, Rebecca says the Germans were little more than minor players in space events occurring in the Kuiper Belt and beyond that were being controlled by the Dracos.
...
Rebecca says she was first taken to the Moon by Gray extraterrestrials as a four year old where she was subjected to many egregious experiments as part of her ‘training’, which including repeated use of jumpgates between the Moon and Montauk, Long Island.

Her participation in the Montauk Project began in 1978 and involved acclimating her biology to jumpgate technology."

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