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Post by anshinodharma on Sept 23, 2022 2:40:27 GMT 9.5
Is disclosure actually a thing? You guys think this stuff will actually happen?
I've been hearing for the past 5 years that disclosure would happen and miracles would happen that the whole world would know of.
I've seen nothing of the sorts.
So what has changed to suggest otherwise?
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Post by anshinodharma on Sept 23, 2022 2:40:51 GMT 9.5
It's always "very soon".
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 23, 2022 3:38:35 GMT 9.5
It was ‘very soon’ two decades ago Anshinodharma!
The funny thing is that there has been a lot of disclosures!
Consider…
1. In the Masonic world the books of a decade or two ago about bloodlines etc, published by Freemasons. I understand it caused a lot of ruckus within parts of the Masonic world, as that was never to be published. So some masons were angry at the publication, some presumably supported it, while others wondered what the heck it had to do with Freemasonry.
2. Alien UFOs. Numerous pilots and policemen have provided testimony. Some nations military pilots have recounted dogfights (Chile? and Iraq/Iran?). Apparently old mechanical weapons work but new tech weapons don’t, iirc. Ordinarily a policeman’s testimony could get you convicted, but somehow they are considered unreliable when taking about such experiences.
3. Regarding the return of the Gods there is an argument that they never left. The Millennium was a fizzle, 2012 came and went. The problem is that you need to align Earth calendars with Gods calendars (Sitchin), besides it is just one of those things that someone somewhere recycles every decade or so. You know that I believe that I am auditing, and there must be others. Look at Paul’s expectations. Consider my own past when some Freemasons considered me as a possible ‘insert whatever you like here’, as did at least one conspiracy theorist. Yet I have been blocked at almost every turn so to speak. Sure I may have esoteric connections to a variety of religions, but there could well be someone out there who is doing better than me, ready to reharmonise the world. I wish them every success.
4. It’s a good way to keep making money on the lecture circuit and with books, for every generation.
5. Pull up a chair, and shush now let me share a secret with you. Disclosure has been happening for decades. Shock and awe just creates problems (think of U.K. austerity starting a dozen years ago now and it’s effects and implications and walking back today). Better to just plod on, illuminating the way, and time will take care of the rest. Remember also that the Gods might be a tad unhappy about how we have managed this planet, and a lot of powers that be might be crapping themselves, or at least concerned, about judgement. It may well only be obvious once it’s a done deal.
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2022 3:46:06 GMT 9.5
True.. the notion is always "soon". Coming from a Godly time scape that really helps alot... ahem.
Almost every faith has something eluding to this prophetic ending. This would not be the first push toward it however. We can see the rise and fall of this energy throughout history.
However never before in history was knowledge and conversation allowed or possible. I have been saying we are in WW3 already for this reason. Land is not as effective as importance anymore. It is harder to convince us to be afraid and comply.
We are simply at the highest potential to date. Powers and abilities won't shift this wave... it belongs to the heart of the people. It has fallen short thus far, but.. one day the wave will be big enough to reach the shore.
We have had the potential since day one.. we just have to choose it collectively and independently to live it out. AKA "from the heart".
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2022 3:52:51 GMT 9.5
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 23, 2022 4:17:48 GMT 9.5
Sammy, some other considerations… Gods return… 1. Would our military shoot them down, imprison them, torture them? 2. And they say to global Royal families: what have you been doing? I left you in charge! Parliamentary democracy what’s that? 3. And say thanks, we are in charge now. Could get a bit bumpy. Saviour returns…. 1. How could he/she possibly satisfy the expectations of every religion? Take Judaism as one example, the Temple Mount is currently occupied so precisely how could they rebuild the third temple? Funnily enough a place I have a fairly good connection to. 2. Hi Your Majesties, I am now your boss! That’s going to go down well. (Divine appointment and all that). 3. How many cranks and devotees etc would seek to assassinate them? Blackmail them? Etc. Our world just isn’t ready for it. You need…. 1. The genuine buy in of a spectrum of powers that be. Eg securing their position during change, subject to electoral laws of each nation. 2. The ability to work within the system while remaining outside of it. £3.1 trillion now bye the way. 3. Someone who understands darkness as well as light, for balance. Plenty of people have put themselves forward, none seem to have much of an impact.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 23, 2022 4:19:43 GMT 9.5
Sammy for Saviour!
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2022 4:28:59 GMT 9.5
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2022 4:31:32 GMT 9.5
Sammy, some other considerations… Gods return… 1. Would our military shoot them down, imprison them, torture them? 2. And they say to global Royal families: what have you been doing? I left you in charge! Parliamentary democracy what’s that? 3. And say thanks, we are in charge now. Could get a bit bumpy. Saviour returns…. 1. How could he/she possibly satisfy the expectations of every religion? Take Judaism as one example, the Temple Mount is currently occupied so precisely how could they rebuild the third temple? Funnily enough a place I have a fairly good connection to. 2. Hi Your Majesties, I am now your boss! That’s going to go down well. (Divine appointment and all that). 3. How many cranks and devotees etc would seek to assassinate them? Blackmail them? Etc. Our world just isn’t ready for it. You need…. 1. The genuine buy in of a spectrum of powers that be. Eg securing their position during change, subject to electoral laws of each nation. 2. The ability to work within the system while remaining outside of it. £3.1 trillion now bye the way. 3. Someone who understands darkness as well as light, for balance. Plenty of people have put themselves forward, none seem to have much of an impact. All very good points and also true. These methods would do little to help. Let me ask you this... If you were offered your whole self in full capacity, unhindered in any way... would you turn it down?
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 23, 2022 5:02:52 GMT 9.5
Sammy, some other considerations… Gods return… 1. Would our military shoot them down, imprison them, torture them? 2. And they say to global Royal families: what have you been doing? I left you in charge! Parliamentary democracy what’s that? 3. And say thanks, we are in charge now. Could get a bit bumpy. Saviour returns…. 1. How could he/she possibly satisfy the expectations of every religion? Take Judaism as one example, the Temple Mount is currently occupied so precisely how could they rebuild the third temple? Funnily enough a place I have a fairly good connection to. 2. Hi Your Majesties, I am now your boss! That’s going to go down well. (Divine appointment and all that). 3. How many cranks and devotees etc would seek to assassinate them? Blackmail them? Etc. Our world just isn’t ready for it. You need…. 1. The genuine buy in of a spectrum of powers that be. Eg securing their position during change, subject to electoral laws of each nation. 2. The ability to work within the system while remaining outside of it. £3.1 trillion now bye the way. 3. Someone who understands darkness as well as light, for balance. Plenty of people have put themselves forward, none seem to have much of an impact. All very good points and also true. These methods would do little to help. Let me ask you this... If you were offered your whole self in full capacity, unhindered in any way... would you turn it down? Bearing in mind that two decades ago I had people in the Masonic and conspiracy worlds suggesting that it could be me, and given Paul’s recently stated beliefs about my role, this is something that I have obviously thought about. Add to this my esoteric interaction with multiple cross time and religion Museum artefacts that has developed over the decades. My thoughts… 1. In a way I have in effect been trying, albeit unconsciously, to do since the millennium. The way I have done this is through provoking thought, encouraging, and pointing out where things are going dangerously out of balance, and forewarning. But I stress this has not been a conscious effort. I have been finding my own way, and where I have been successful has often been a by product of that (eg helping others find religion). 2. I doubt that I could have got to where I am today (a total loser ) without hinderance. 3. After two decades of trying to reharmonise our world I have concluded that enough is enough, there is only so long that you can bang your head against a brick wall. I really am ready for Father Time and Mother Nature to do their thing. 4. Now, Importantly Sammy, what you suggest is not in humans power, it would in essence be a gift from God, assigned by God. All humans could do is offer to enable as opposed to hinder. As you know, I believe that I have the choice of the way of Sirius (report back) or the way of Orion (Paul’s belief of my role). You are clearly asking if I would accept the Orion way. I retort why? After all the Sirius way gets the same results, easier. Though to answer your question directly…. A. If was was enabled (£3.2 trillion now) B. With the support of global powers that be C. And I genuinely felt that God supported this Then yes I think that I would give humanity the chance to sort itself out and evolve naturally, as opposed to it being imposed from above. But it would have to be on my terms. And frankly, away from the targeted donations and investments, many would think I was on a big jolly, when in fact I would be continuing to refine myself through experience. But… Time has pretty much run out due to… 1. Health issues 2. The state of the world today. If the funding wasn’t there, the freedom to do as I pleased wasn’t there, and the time to do things in my own time, then I would expect that I would decline. Why? It just would not work. Besides, the real solution, as you correctly note yourself Sammy, is not a figurehead, but needs to come from the hearts of the people. Which must frighten the life out of some powers that be. Needlessly as someone has to run things. Now, for spooks, if Sammy had asked if I thought it was me, the answer is simple, I could make a case for it based on my life experiences, but so have so many others. I believe that any such person will naturally rise, and I have failed, so no, I think it unlikely to be me. My money is on Audrey Tatau from the Da Vinci code film (the policewoman), or Sammy! I will admit I have wondered if it was Paul.
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2022 5:54:30 GMT 9.5
You skirted my thoughts here Stewart.
"The one" exists in all of us. We all count as 1 to the father. No more and no less.
What does being 1 mean? We have yet to figure that out. Distractions impair the focus.
My point in this question was to show that regardless of what we think or comprehend, it will not exclude God's plan from working.
I do feel his plan is for "our" plan...
What is above comes from below, and what is below come from above.
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Post by paul on Sept 23, 2022 14:30:45 GMT 9.5
The Artemis Accords published by NASA indicate that about 16 Earth governments wish to establish stronger ethical standards for the solar system than exist on Earth.
Why would they do that unless they were forced?
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Post by sammy on Sept 24, 2022 1:44:19 GMT 9.5
The Artemis Accords published by NASA indicate that about 16 Earth governments wish to establish stronger ethical standards for the solar system than exist on Earth. Why would they do that unless they were forced? I highly doubt they would..
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Post by anshinodharma on Sept 24, 2022 5:33:12 GMT 9.5
Doesn't really answer the question in my view.
When people talk about the Great Disclosure, or that it's coming soon...
They're referring to an event - the big reveal - where everyone knows and sees for themselves that many other intergalactic species exist.
"In the meantime, followers of major religions say that the Second Coming is at hand and are prepared for the return of a savior, prophet, etc. The Deep State and Illuminati are well aware of all this and plan to coopt these developments for their nefarious purposes."
Always so unspecific. Always talk of a Messiah. A savior. A prophet. A second coming.
Many think they are the One. The Messiah. They usually end up in the psychiatric ward.
So what I am asking is - when is this happening? Will it ever?
Because if everything "very soon" is about subtle changes that only the most spiritual and evolved people on Earth can see - then there's no big reveal at all. Just stupid. And of course, that stuff sells well for conspiracy types that have very poor lives that hope some alien species or Jesus is coming to save them. Great way to make money. Misleading people... preying on their fears and hopes... Sighs...
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Post by sammy on Sept 24, 2022 6:15:15 GMT 9.5
Doesn't really answer the question in my view. When people talk about the Great Disclosure, or that it's coming soon... They're referring to an event - the big reveal - where everyone knows and sees for themselves that many other intergalactic species exist. "In the meantime, followers of major religions say that the Second Coming is at hand and are prepared for the return of a savior, prophet, etc. The Deep State and Illuminati are well aware of all this and plan to coopt these developments for their nefarious purposes." Always so unspecific. Always talk of a Messiah. A savior. A prophet. A second coming. Many think they are the One. The Messiah. They usually end up in the psychiatric ward. So what I am asking is - when is this happening? Will it ever? Because if everything "very soon" is about subtle changes that only the most spiritual and evolved people on Earth can see - then there's no big reveal at all. Just stupid. And of course, that stuff sells well for conspiracy types that have very poor lives that hope some alien species or Jesus is coming to save them. Great way to make money. Misleading people... preying on their fears and hopes... Sighs... It is said no one shall know the day or the hour. Mathew 24:36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows." From what you describe and what I think/know about it... I'd say you will know once it happens, just not prior to.
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Post by paul on Sept 24, 2022 6:27:28 GMT 9.5
>Always talk of a Messiah. A savior. A prophet. A second coming.
Humans love to be saved by an outside entity. The problem is that the standard human has attached an energy structure that resonates to the Galactic Intent.
Thus the human group needs to manage itself and take those skills to managing most of the solar system (symbolised by the Artemis Accords) and then those humans that do well move to cultivating aspects of greater systems.
Waiting to be saved is contrary to this training program - and usually indicates the effect of contaminated religions.
Most of the better humans have graduated from this planet so the remaining humans mostly are:
- slower/damaged learners - other species passing through the human kingdom - helpers posted in from other systems.
Meanwhile there is much soft disclosure of alien contact in movies and TV series. We don't want another cycle of simple humans believing that the aliens are gods.
When I push down this 3D timeline, by about 2080 the Earth elemental feels content and the Earth humans feel joyful and a substantial group is still here.
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Post by anshinodharma on Sept 24, 2022 7:41:14 GMT 9.5
>Always talk of a Messiah. A savior. A prophet. A second coming. Humans love to be saved by an outside entity. The problem is that the standard human has attached an energy structure that resonates to the Galactic Intent. Thus the human group needs to manage itself and take those skills to managing most of the solar system (symbolised by the Artemis Accords) and then those humans that do well move to cultivating aspects of greater systems. Waiting to be saved is contrary to this training program - and usually indicates the effect of contaminated religions. Most of the better humans have graduated from this planet so the remaining humans mostly are:
- slower/damaged learners - other species passing through the human kingdom - helpers posted in from other systems.What does it mean exactly to 'graduate' from this planet? Where does said "person" go? Is there still conscious experience? Who is doing the experiencing? Like right now... I remember nothing. Nothing from past lives comes to my mind. I am the collection of experiences accrued in this lifetime; but there is something doing the experiencing that has a 'higher view'. So the question becomes - when one dies and goes "elsewhere": (1) where is this elsewhere? and (2) is the one living through my current 'ego-personality' the same that will be experiencing said 'elsewhere'? Is it as described in the Autobiography of a Yogi? There are many different 'views' on this.
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Post by paul on Sept 24, 2022 8:52:10 GMT 9.5
>What does it mean exactly to 'graduate' from this planet? There seem to be two common forms of graduation: - learning control of sufficient planes to qualify for work beyond this planet e.g. ascended masters - needing learnings that are more easily achieved on another planet. I know elderly identical twins that both have dementia (often not recognising a wife) and their spiritual parts have moved together to Saturn (afaik) where they are moving towards incarnation in a species that looks a bit like a super-intelligent canine. >Who is doing the experiencing? In the case of the two above, they are taking their nature spirits that operate the personal mind (lower mental chakra) and associated permanent atoms but leaving those for the emotional and physical bodies. Thus there will be continuity of mental learning but a new set of emotional and physical skills will be required The higher mental (soul) bodies are going with them as well and their relationships with the solar/guardian angel that overlights them both Thus they leave their emotional and physical karma but carry their mental karma. >I am the collection of experiences accrued in this lifetime Not true. When conceived your permanent atoms from the most recent life on this timeline were brought with you. Hence some skills are learned very quickly and some traumas reappear - even birth marks >when one dies and goes "elsewhere": (1) where is this elsewhere? and (2) is the one living through my current 'ego-personality' the same that will be experiencing said 'elsewhere'? The human drops one or more bodies dependent upon their level of consciousness - hence the concept of three deaths Arguably Beethoven depicts 3 stages of the death of the hero in the second movement of his 3rd Symphony. Here is Furtwangler. Second movement starts about 16:30. Furtwangler perhaps was sensitive to death - living only for about another 18 months. www.youtube.com/watch?v=voz8NTrNUT0The morning after my mother died in another country she came into my house and said: "It is just as you said, all about energy" In this life she was a committed and orthodox Roman Catholic and told me I was weird when I talked about energies. So it seems that she started learning very soon after she died. She says she sees very little of my deceased father and I can see he is working with an earlier set of learnings. The reason she sees very little of him is that her mainly female group is on 5.2 learning to work with solar systemic meridians and my father's mainly male group is learning relationship on 6.3 with each other After dropping at least one body the human floats up through the planes until on its own level a406.proboards.com/thread/973/21-steps-enlightenmentwww.lucistrust.org/online_books/a_treatise_on_cosmic_fire_obooks/section_two_the_fire_mind_solar_fire/division_the_egoic_ray_and_solar_fire/ii_the_nature_the_permanent_atoms_part1
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 24, 2022 17:19:06 GMT 9.5
Doesn't really answer the question in my view. When people talk about the Great Disclosure, or that it's coming soon... They're referring to an event - the big reveal - where everyone knows and sees for themselves that many other intergalactic species exist. "In the meantime, followers of major religions say that the Second Coming is at hand and are prepared for the return of a savior, prophet, etc. The Deep State and Illuminati are well aware of all this and plan to coopt these developments for their nefarious purposes." Always so unspecific. Always talk of a Messiah. A savior. A prophet. A second coming. Many think they are the One. The Messiah. They usually end up in the psychiatric ward. So what I am asking is - when is this happening? Will it ever? Because if everything "very soon" is about subtle changes that only the most spiritual and evolved people on Earth can see - then there's no big reveal at all. Just stupid. And of course, that stuff sells well for conspiracy types that have very poor lives that hope some alien species or Jesus is coming to save them. Great way to make money. Misleading people... preying on their fears and hopes... Sighs... Most recent claim in this mornings news. apple.news/AcK6YdYuNQXqlqRVTkqG5zg« There is more royal blood in me than Prince Charles,” he declares, to cries of “Amen” from the faithful. “I am the son of God. » » The Times, U.K. Warning it talks about sexual grooming and taking peoples money.
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