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Post by paul on Mar 24, 2021 8:41:14 GMT 9.5
The human system is very broad spectrum - in principle reflecting the full range of universal life force. As a result the human system, when transparent to Light, has the capacity to work actively across this galaxy and beyond - not requiring any technology, just right relationships.
Standard human frames of reference do not reflect the extent of human functionality and potential responsibilities.
Gardening provides a microcosm in which to practise some basic skills.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 6:39:39 GMT 9.5
Also when you told me to try and focus on a "NE beam" I totally lost you. I was thinking that you meant some beam trying to come at my direction from the "North-East"outter space. Then I was thinking did "NE" mean north east or "New Earth". Man I'm still twisted with all that. But to the best of my knowledge the heart flame exercise consists of me imagining a golden white light echoing down through my crown chakra and down into my heart. I then imagine that this activated a heart flame (energy beam)that is spiraling around my heart. I then imagine by some mystical force I can direct this flame(energy beam) 8nto different areas of my body as per your instructions.
As I gradually perform this exercise, it allows me to awake even further than I am and then perhaps I will know who or what I am and what I am or not able to do?
This task is no easy feat in my every day life. As LeBron would say " What should I do?" Hahaha I mean I can't just go all grasshopper when I'm a single father of 2 boys.
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Post by paul on Mar 26, 2021 7:55:49 GMT 9.5
Don't worry about the NE.
Your Flame is noticeably larger - at the maximum you have achieved in this life.
When people back off from the Flame exercise, the Flame shrinks a bit, leaving a high tide mark. You do not show a high tide mark. Good!
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Post by sammy on Mar 27, 2021 4:46:11 GMT 9.5
Don't worry about the NE. Your Flame is noticeably larger - at the maximum you have achieved in this life. When people back off from the Flame exercise, the Flame shrinks a bit, leaving a high tide mark. You do not show a high tide mark. Good! I sometimes fear I have hit that high tide mark.. I dont feel it is so.. but I fear it at times. My journey not yet finished, it must not be so. Right?
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Post by paul on Mar 27, 2021 9:03:22 GMT 9.5
> fear I have hit that high tide mark
Long ago, as an adult I learned to ride a bike on icy roads that were too slippery to walk on. I got the thought: you are going to fall off.
I rejected the thought as rubbish and immediately fell off.
The same the next day.
The third day, same thought, but I said: this is a warning. I concentrated and did not fall off.
The mind often inverts thoughts before they reach the conscious level. Your original thought might well be: I have much to achieve.
That is certainly true. There are some nice light beings standing behind you. They are from outside the solar system.
You can converse with them.
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Post by sammy on Mar 27, 2021 12:05:31 GMT 9.5
> fear I have hit that high tide mark Long ago, as an adult I learned to ride a bike on icy roads that were too slippery to walk on. I got the thought: you are going to fall off. I rejected the thought as rubbish and immediately fell off. The same the next day. The third day, same thought, but I said: this is a warning. I concentrated and did not fall off. The mind often inverts thoughts before they reach the conscious level. Your original thought might well be: I have much to achieve. That is certainly true. There are some nice light beings standing behind you. They are from outside the solar system. You can converse with them. I see what you mean, I'll reflect some more on my current positions. I feel them as well, and I do in times of darkness. Thanks Paul!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 20:36:45 GMT 9.5
Wise words. Agreed. Im not sure though how well it can make sense unless it has been lived..
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Post by sammy on Mar 27, 2021 23:17:38 GMT 9.5
Wise words. Agreed. Im not sure though how well it can make sense unless it has been lived.. Hahahahaha I love this guy!! Thanks so much for link.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 4:41:38 GMT 9.5
>Hahahahaha I love this guy!!
Yeah, he really nails that point home.
How boring would existence be if wisdom gave us all the formulae for avoiding mistakes in our lives. I think rebellious teenagers instinctively know this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 1:12:21 GMT 9.5
It does bother me though, the contradiction, in knowing the value of wisdom, yet at the same time realising how absurd it is. You get to make a valuable summary of an experience, which may well only be true for the very experience you had. Any obvious wisdom is common sense? Any general wisdom ignores the complex minutiae of existence.
Bayesian inference makes some sense of it, our wisdom is constantly updated by more experience. In so doing, deep remembering occurs.
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Post by paul on Mar 29, 2021 5:38:43 GMT 9.5
Perhaps wisdom is dynamic and real-time. For example being aware of what another entity needs and modifying behavior/circumstances to optimize relationships/outcomes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 6:06:37 GMT 9.5
> Perhaps wisdom is dynamic and real-time. For example being aware of what another entity needs and modifying behavior/circumstances to optimize relationships/outcomes
Yes, I was thinking about this too, to integrate as much of the situation as can be seen into an action, the heart must be involved, clearly, a purely mental approach would always be incomplete.
To be wisdom, it seems that it must not only apply and be true to the wise one's experience, but also to the one whom the wisdom is offered, at the moment it is offered.
For the wisdom to always apply, it would be a truth.
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Post by paul on Mar 29, 2021 7:24:18 GMT 9.5
I agreed with all that until: "For the wisdom to always apply, it would be a truth." This poses two problems: - Wisdom - the state of being wise - is turned into an object and thus independent of context, culture and era. - Truth is also a reification - being true to some reference has been turned into an object independent of context. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)Thus discovering what is wise and what is true, can start anew upon each awakening - physical and psychological
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 7:45:08 GMT 9.5
It seems that no thing said could always be true for part of a system, perhaps a thing could be said that is always true for a system in its entirety.
>For the wisdom to always apply, it would be a truth.
This statement is entirely problematic, and yet I still feel that I know what it means, but have no better way to say it, which is frustrating for a wannabe philosopher like me
> Thus discovering what is wise and what is true, can start anew upon each awakening - physical and psychological
I think that's entirely reasonable, but I dislike it intensly, it feels like standing on shifting sand
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Post by paul on Mar 29, 2021 12:57:00 GMT 9.5
>it feels like standing on shifting sand
For the first decade of my consciously spiritual path, the further I saw, the further away the beingness of God retreated.
I am not sure that that has slowed. Is there even a concept for the Logos of a cluster of universes? And what beyond such a cluster?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 14:49:50 GMT 9.5
>- Wisdom - the state of being wise - is turned into an object and thus independent of context, culture and era.
Do you mean that the above statement is true, if a wise thing said is considered equivalent to a truth?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 14:55:19 GMT 9.5
>Is there even a concept for the Logos of a cluster of universes?
How could one part of something, know everything about the whole thing, while maintaining the veiwpoint of one part of something?
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Post by paul on Mar 29, 2021 15:18:04 GMT 9.5
>- Wisdom - the state of being wise - is turned into an object and thus independent of context, culture and era. Do you mean that the above statement is true, if a wise thing said is considered equivalent to a truth? I was hoping to point out that extracting a personless state (wisdom) out of a person being wise in a context, culture and era seems to gloss over the nature of human participation in Existence.
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Post by paul on Mar 29, 2021 15:19:59 GMT 9.5
>Is there even a concept for the Logos of a cluster of universes? How could one part of something, know everything about the whole thing, while maintaining the veiwpoint of one part of something? It may be useful to consider whether there is Beingness before Existence a406.proboards.com/thread/1531/sphere-beingness
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Post by sammy on Mar 29, 2021 22:52:47 GMT 9.5
It does bother me though, the contradiction, in knowing the value of wisdom, yet at the same time realising how absurd it is. You get to make a valuable summary of an experience, which may well only be true for the very experience you had. Any obvious wisdom is common sense? Any general wisdom ignores the complex minutiae of existence. Bayesian inference makes some sense of it, our wisdom is constantly updated by more experience. In so doing, deep remembering occurs. I see wisdom as just advice to tamper the flames if a person is burning hot. Not always right but right for the moment.
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