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Post by paul on Jan 3, 2021 17:26:44 GMT 9.5
I was contemplating hooks and thinking about whether hooks are lost at death. a406.proboards.com/thread/1653/hooksI had a look at while some hooks are lost at death, a deeper form of death is required to lose them all. This relates to the often misrepresented topic of the three deaths. These deaths are of the physical-etheric body, releasing the astral. The death of the astral releases the mental, and if the human is sufficiently advanced, the mental body is discarded releasing the soul. (approximately) Beethoven depicts this in his Third Symphony with the funeral march of the second movement - criticised at the time. Why is the hero dead after the first movement? Answer: because he is being freed into the higher worlds. Here is Furtwangler in 1944 with a live audience - arguably his most intense performance. Note the funeral march hits a crisis at about 6 minutes then becoming peaceful. Then at about 8 minutes there is another crisis and at 10 minutes another crisis, followed by the release into the higher worlds. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD3q2cLf8D8The third movement starts with the hero stepping forward in the inner worlds, commonly played as a tiptoe when in reality he is experiencing his authority. Another version of spiritual death occurs with Wagner's treatment of Siegfried's Funeral but in this case the hero is depicted rising up the spine, through all the chakras (rather than three) to emerge through the top of the head. Here is Furtwangler conducting shortly before his own death. Perhaps he was practising. It is immense. Notice the serpentine (kundalini) energy with a crisis to break free of each chakra. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tupDrWqyibcBoth treatments display the peace of final departure from the human world |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 20:06:51 GMT 9.5
What tests or experiments could one perform to determine the manner of death that has occured?
It's a potentially terrifying process without good faith or some knowledge in which to ground the process.
How would you fit the Christian resurrection into this schema?
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Post by paul on Jan 3, 2021 20:43:28 GMT 9.5
>tests or experiments could one perform to determine the manner of death
If the target human is known personally or in detailed way, then it should be possible to project into the scene and observe.
Otherwise, devise a number of non-overlapping statements about the death and state them out loud to see which has the most weight. Modify weighty statements to increase their weight.
>potentially terrifying process
I know quite a lot of people around 80 and I do not know any that fears a painless death
>fit the Christian resurrection into this schema
Sumerians and alchemists were/are interested in immortality before death - using the food of life and the water of life, originally provided to the gods that were dying on this planet with its aging sun.
The Christian religion offers immortality after death. That may occur with an initiate that has refined the light body to the point that immortality is available. Such an initiate may die physically but then be able to generate an etheric body suitable for physical activities. I have not seen examples myself - as far as I know.
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Post by paul on Jan 5, 2021 9:58:03 GMT 9.5
As you may be aware from the Castaneda writings it is usual for humans to have their personal death standing behind their left shoulder. If their death is looking at them, that is not so good. If their death has them in a headlock and is pulling them out of the body then they only have days in this life. So I was looking at the personal deaths of various people and noticed that the plane of operation of those personal death beings varied - and was identical to the frequency of the flame of spirit in the heart of the particular human. Then I realized that the personal death attached to each human is actually the waiting in-breath of the out-breathing of Spirit that is anchored in the heart. Thus death is just the return cycle of the outflow of Spirit. That said, I have noticed that the personal death, when it starts to settle upon the human, may accelerate or postpone the process depending upon encouragement or discouragement by an observer. Currently my death is looking far away at the great Deva that over-lights the South Pacific. There is an energy line from the Deva through the atmosphere to my death and the energy returns through the ocean to the Deva. It seems that personal deaths might have some functions beyond being the in-breath. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda |
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Post by paul on Jan 5, 2021 10:08:35 GMT 9.5
>the personal death attached to each human is actually the waiting in-breath of the out-breathing of Spirit that is anchored in the heart.
I had forgotten that observation.
>the personal death, when it starts to settle upon the human, may accelerate or postpone the process depending upon encouragement or discouragement by an observer.
I know an old man with some health problems. Both he and his wife want to be first to die - so that they are not left alone. She has a few years left, but a year ago he was in trouble with chronic dampness in his lungs. His death had him in the traditional headlock but it seemed to me that there was no hurry for his departure. So I approached his personal death and kicked it in the shins.
It backed off and now is just standing here, looking at me in mild reproach, and looking down on the fellow's head. That continued gaze indicates that his death is still ready to work. I am expecting an upsurge in lung problems in a few months (our winter). I will not act again in this matter.
As a little irony, the couple above live in a townhouse that they rent, and really enjoy. The elderly lady next to them has bought their townhouse - through her daughter. They must move out in 6 months at the end of the lease. So they approached the elderly lady asking that if she died before she moved in, could they still stay in the townhouse. It was a good observation - as the elderly lady's death is bending right over looking in her face - but perhaps not the most diplomatic way to address the issue.
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Post by paul on Apr 26, 2021 7:33:00 GMT 9.5
As I age I know quite a few people getting close to death.
There are two simple measures:
- looking at the intelligence that is their personal death, e.g. does it have them in a headlock
- looking at the stream of Spirit coming down into the heart
The stream of Spirit appears to me as white light, and I notice that in some older people the white light has horizontal bars that are dull to dark. It seems that the wider and darker are the bars, the closer the person is to death.
My very limited survey suggests that most old people are not afraid of death.
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Post by paul on Apr 28, 2021 10:06:52 GMT 9.5
For those young enough still to fear death, listen to Furtwangler up loud with eyes closed, following the energy up the spine. Use speakers not headphones. The music is designed to operate directly on the physical body. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCE_aYJNfQoDoes that alter your concerns about death? |
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Post by paul on Apr 28, 2021 20:00:14 GMT 9.5
>fit the Christian resurrection into this schema Sumerians and alchemists were/are interested in immortality before death - using the food of life and the water of life, originally provided to the gods that were dying on this planet with its aging sun. The Christian religion offers immortality after death. That may occur with an initiate that has refined the light body to the point that immortality is available. Such an initiate may die physically but then be able to generate an physical-etheric body suitable for physical activities. I have not seen examples myself - as far as I know. To add some more about resurrection. In the Sumerian accounts, Inanna goes into the Underworld in a manner somewhat reproduced in the journey of the candidate for the first degree. Eventually she is killed. Fortunately the gods have some technology and we read in the Twelfth Planet. "Upon the corpse, hung from the pole, they directed the Pulse and the Radiance; Sixty times the Water of Life, Sixty times the Food of Life, they sprinkled upon it; And Inanna arose." It seems that the technology was not so simple as they needed the Pulse and the Radiance and then 60 applications of the Water of Life and the Food of Life. Here is a Sumerian depiction of the radiation process. The patient seems to be wearing a mask  There are comparable Egyptian images. There are various accounts of modern aliens having resurrection technology. And of course the "20 and back" accounts include human operation of biological age reversion of 20 years. www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfBVrYBHOfVbIgLbXFQW8drahPZjvsKDhThere was a soft-disclosure of 20 and back in the movie Total Recall www.imdb.com/title/tt0100802/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 20:19:44 GMT 9.5
Would the faces be one looking down and one looking up?
The Egyptians had as part of their worship, a deep well, with a meaning of food. I use the word well, but am not sure if it had water in.
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Post by paul on Apr 28, 2021 20:25:43 GMT 9.5
>Would the faces be one looking down and one looking up?
Most of the ancient depictions seem to me to be much later artist impressions - hence the depiction of gods with animal heads.
For example Sekhmet is given a lion's head, but the time I saw her she was human with a leonine head and swept back hair
There are of course some strange aliens.
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Post by paul on Aug 2, 2022 10:19:24 GMT 9.5
At a community meeting yesterday, sitting next to an ex-army motor mechanic, had an interesting conversation about various things.
He recounted that his father had been dying in hospital for quite some time. The family visited every day.
On one occasion when the family was there, a nurse approached this fellow and told him that he should take the family out of the room for a while. So he did. Twenty minutes later the nurse came out and told him his father had died.
She said that he had been ready to go but was hanging on because the family kept visiting. She said that was quite common, but the other nurses did not understand
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 16:01:34 GMT 9.5
>Sumerians and alchemists were/are interested in immortality before death - using the food of life and the water of life, originally provided to the gods that were dying on this planet with its aging sun.
It's my experience that as the being progresses, the taste in non-physical food changes, or the type of food changes. It seems to me that physical regeneration is part of this process
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Post by paul on Aug 5, 2022 16:12:24 GMT 9.5
> It seems to me that physical regeneration is part of this process
So what are the preconditions for physical regeneration?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 16:30:50 GMT 9.5
>So what are the preconditions for physical regeneration?
As far as I can tell, at least one condition is successful processing of less evolved aspects of self. Their entry into the main conciousness and being simultaneously yoked to the conscious entry into the unconscious.
I'm sure I'll need to edit this, but it says something useful as is, I hope.
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Post by paul on Aug 5, 2022 17:13:48 GMT 9.5
>at least one condition is successful processing of less evolved aspects of self.
There are several dimensions of this including:
- wholeness of the spirits that operate each of the chakras - 7, 49, 343 of them
- discarding dense subplane material so that only 7.1, 6.1 and 5.1 remain
- resolution of personal karma
- a pure flow of life force
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Post by paul on Sept 11, 2023 17:17:52 GMT 9.5
I was reminded of this thread by an external conversation This is a useful thread - particularly for those unfamiliar with the Intent used by Furtwangler when conducting an orchestra Furtwangler is a disciple of the galactic Logos. Who can test that proposition? Here is an earlier rendition of Siegried's Funeral March. The one in an earlier post is better but here the photo shows Furtwangler looking up rather than at the orchestra. See if you can detect the vertical line of light into his forehead. Whence comes it? www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVWV_W10r8Q |
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 11, 2023 20:50:42 GMT 9.5
I was reminded of this thread by an external conversation This is a useful thread - particularly for those unfamiliar with the Intent used by Furtwangler when conducting the BPO Furtwangler is a disciple of the galactic Logos. Who can test that proposition? Here is an earlier rendition of Siegried's Funeral March. The one in an earlier post is better but here the photo shows Furtwangler looking up rather than at the orchestra. See if you can detect the vertical line of light into his forehead. Whence comes it? www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVWV_W10r8QHaving just googled him, and looked at his wiki page, a sense of, I am not quite sure how to describe it, and my words don’t do it justice, but strength, purpose, came over me, predominantly my right side of my body. After a quick flick I was reminded of a song you suggested years ago Paul, I forget which, but it, if you remember, opened me up. Let’s have a look at the video now. Hold on…. 1. Within 1 min 13s in, I noticed that: * the studio lights on his forehead obscured things a bit at first. * a thing stream of light came vertically down to a point a few inches above his head. * this stream then turned on a point so that it entered dead central to the top of his head. * the light slowed down and went to his fingers, where it essentially drew a circle around the orchestra at a horizontal level. * by the time the light reached his feet and connected with earth energies, it was coming upwards like a half sphere connecting the whole orchestra. * consecutively, and I can’t yet tell where the origin is but it is connecting a thinner half sphere downwards. * by the time his hands are producing quite strong energy. Let’s see what happens next. * by 2.58 he has enclosed himself, along with the orchestra in the sphere, which somehow I sense it amplifies (by vibration). He is leaning back being supported by the sheer in the photograph. Right onwards: * By 4:10 the music was vibrating with my heart, which in turn sent energy towards the right side of my body. *. By 4.31 I was transversing around the edge of his sphere, so gentle. * By 6.16 I now understand why wands are used to focus power, though I don’t think he really needs it. But it is part of conducting. Paul my ego must be out of control, as he seems to be stripping through my energy levels and using healing energies. More egotistically he seems to be knighting me, which in context is rather weird. * F@#£ me, at 6.19 a powerful ball of energy has hit my heart. I can feel it and play with it (think massage). * by 6.56, I can see three circle of energy connection app reading focused on my head and toes. There are spinning, about 50 connections in total, no that isn’t right, there is a stationary circle. * by 7.22 I am seeing an allegory if some early ufo descriptions, I would have to check as this comment is purely from past reading memory and could easily be wrong, but biblical interpretation Ezychal? I know that is the wrong spelling, but I am trying to record this while being held up by my lower back as I am in a flying position. * by 7 min I was essentially being raised above our planet looking down, with such a force of connections behind me and pure lightness in front of me as I looked down. * I was shown inside, what I think were, a couple of different types of satellites. Electronic types, I guess, once filled with a gooey mass, and rubber seals. Absolutely bizarre. If I were to guess, and this is just that, some of our satellites are not of this planet at this time. But I have context as to size of the bits I experienced. Could be a complete box or just a tiny component. * I was then gently lowered down back into myself. Wow. I must be going crackers as I think that I have just received some sort of initiation. Though I now understand better why the Nazis loved Wagner and esoterics. Though I didn’t feel any Nazi energy, this comment is just based on past reading about their beliefs. Paul what have you done? Now to test if he is a disciple of the galactic logos. Yes straight there, and me shaking hands with them both. It is interesting how thick his connection is at logos level yet how thin it is down here. I guess he is working a great number of ‘leg ups’. The back of my neck seems, very unusually a little crunchy when I move it. For completeness there also seems to be some sort of connection between him and a Royal figure. But I am leaving that at that. |
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 11, 2023 20:51:19 GMT 9.5
That was both refreshing and tiring, I need to rest.
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Post by paul on Sept 12, 2023 10:40:25 GMT 9.5
>by the time the light reached his feet and connected with earth energies, it was coming upwards like a half sphere connecting the whole orchestra. I watched an interview of a player in the BPO. The orchestra was tuning up - all discordant - when suddenly the tunings became harmonic. The player looked around and there at the back of the auditorium Furtwangler had just entered. It seems that just his looking at the BPO was sufficient to transform its activity The woman leading the choir I am in, is learning how to do that too. >his hands are producing quite strong energy. Furtwangler was notorious for apparently rather random movements of his hands. It was difficult to pick up the tempo from his hands but it did not seem to matter >he has enclosed himself, along with the orchestra in the sphere, which somehow I sense it amplifies (by vibration). He is leaning back being supported by the sheer in the photograph. The vertical stream of Light that comes into Furtwangler's head is actually 3 streams - from Sirius, the galactic Logos and the universal Logos. Those 3 streams are not identical and produce natural harmonics - corresponding with the next 3 chakras above his head and producing intense harmonics that resonate with and propagate Divine Intent from outside this universe. Should I have written that? > he seems to be knighting me He recognises you as a Sirian brother and lends a hand >I was then gently lowered down back into myself. Some of your galactic brethren looking after you >I have just received some sort of initiation. Latin - Initio: I enter into You have been admitted to conscious relationship with your brethren who watch this galaxy >some sort of connection between him and a Royal figure I have mentioned before that when young I used to meet that Royal in my dreams Here are Furtwangler and Flagstad in perhaps their only live recording of the Liebestod www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tgn511ceNQHere are the words to follow during the muse-ic performance. The words allow the music to be understood more clearly. The original German is better as there are word plays that do not translate How softly and gently
he smiles,
how sweetly
his eyes open -
can you see, my friends,
do you not see it?
How he glows
ever brighter,
raising himself high
amidst the stars?
Do you not see it?
How his heart
swells with courage,
gushing full and majestic
in his breast?
How in tender bliss
sweet breath
gently wafts
from his lips -
Friends! Look!
Do you not feel and see it?
Do I alone hear
this melody
so wondrously
and gently
sounding from within him,
in bliss lamenting,
all-expressing,
gently reconciling,
piercing me,
soaring aloft,
its sweet echoes
resounding about me?
Are they gentle
aerial waves
ringing out clearly,
surging around me?
Are they billows
of blissful fragrance?
As they seethe
and roar about me,
shall I breathe,
shall I give ear?
Shall I drink of them,
plunge beneath them?
Breathe my life away
in sweet scents?
In the heaving swell,
in the resounding echoes,
in the universal stream
of the world-breath -
to drown,
to founder -
unconscious -
utmost rapture! And here is both the German and English in parallel - much easier to follow. Nilsson is pretty good too but F&F are better. www.opera-arias.com/wagner/tristan-und-isolde/liebestod/And listen to F&F a second time to experience the process more clearly |
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 12, 2023 15:53:51 GMT 9.5
Thank you Paul, I will go through your post later.
Just wanted to offer a data point, which might just be coincidental as I am routinely tired to fatigued pretty much all the time due to my treatment. But, boy did that tire me. I slept most of yesterday afternoon, and got a solid nine hours on top of that last night.
The one realisation that has hit me this morning is that, should I ever chose to, I could probably lift myself up esoterically in ways that I hadn’t really comprehended.
So, once again, thank you.
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