Now I have visited many different Masonic forums for quite a while now and asked some pretty goofy sh*t in the past but as of this moment I have one question that I would ask any and all Freemasons regardless of their religious beliefs.
In your honest opinion do you believe that there can be modern day prophets?
Such a question is usually embedded in a deep cultural context.
The context may include religions, gods leading religions, gods choosing messengers, linear time, non-parallel time, humans as servants of gods, mostly male dominance, lack of human race choice over some time frames ....
Are you able to frame the question so that it is independent of the religious context?
>Are you able to frame the question so that it is independent of the religious context?
God through his own ability and through the word of prophets gave direction after direction after direction throughout biblical times(and prior). Is it truly proper to believe that God refuses to speak prophesies to those that are worthy in modern day times?
As basic and as plain as I could put it would be in this manner.
Do you think that it could be possible that God(The creator of all) would again decide to send (or resend) instructions that were ignored or previously lost from ancient times through a modern day prophet with specific instructions on how to continue the human race(again)?
>God through his own ability and through the word of prophets
It seems that the earliest copies of the Bible still in existence are from about 1200AD. How original are they?
The Codex Sinaiticus is dated at 400AD by hand writing style! I had a girl friend who could write in excellent copperplate. That would make her writing 300 years old.
There are various "new chronologies" being developed that indicate that fake news is a very old invention.
>possible that God(The creator of all) would again decide to send (or resend) instructions
I recall the priests wrestling with this and eventually deciding that Jesus must have visited every planet that has humans - but then they taught me that only humans are intelligent and that is long disproven.
Perhaps the Source of All encoded/hardwired instructions so that all intelligent species could be guided - even those without written language.
In more esoteric terms I might say that the divine energy that interpenetrates the universe is self-intelligent and envelops all entities including bacteria and atoms.
Eventually all beings float down the river to the ocean of divinity. Many creatures prefer to see where they have been and thus have a somewhat bumpy trip. I do not dispute their choice to cling to the past. It is necessary to complete the lessons of the past before the past lets us move on.
As a side note, one of the criticisms of Christianity that arose in the 19th century (when hieroglyphics and cuneiform were first translated) was that Christianity had copied ancient pagan religions. This of course was a much earlier criticism and, as I recall, St Augustine dealt with it by proclaiming that the one true religion had always existed but only recently had been called Christianity.
Paul I thank you again for your time and responses.
>It seems that the earliest copies of the Bible still in existence are from about 1200AD. How original are they?
I honestly believe that our written beginning and our "Original" bible(instructions) from the before and after Christ era was doctored by biblical time scholars, leaders and possibly even masons. It seems to me that our beginnings do not seem to be from biblical beginnings(as we are led to believe) and that "our" time(s) have been and will continue over and over and over and over. Now to continue forward with this particular species in which we dwell(as we have been instructed in the past to do) we have to find the very same solution from our past. Once this solution is found(again) we will again re-cycle. I believe that this solution has been hidden and will reveal itself soon enough but at what cost to humanity? Now the next question would be, If such a solution was in existence, what type of resistance would it receive from society?
> to continue forward with this particular species
This species likes to think that it is central to divine purpose in the universe. There is not a lot of evidence for that proposition.
If the human race is not central, then the question arises: does the human race have a function in the cosmos? If not, the human race is either accidental or decorative.
If the human race has a function, then the requirements of that function will press upon the race. Similarly, new parents, often inexperienced, find that their functional responsibilities force rapid learning.
Is the human race any different? For example, the human race is significantly dependent upon the ecosystems of this planet and is thereby being forced to take responsibility for ecosystem health.
>what type of resistance would it receive from society?
If the human race has a proper function, then there may be tensions with other species - just as tensions arise in a human family. Other species may actually be much more intelligent than humans and may seek to manipulate human thought patterns. This is particularly simple with humans that cannot control their thoughts. Self-control of thoughts is a precondition of the first stage of enlightenment.
So in practice there is much internal and external resistance to the human race taking its proper functions, but equally there is much support by both subtle and overt beings.
>This species likes to think that it is central to divine purpose in the universe. There is not a lot of evidence for that proposition.
Now this has been put in our heads since youth, that GOD chose us(humans) and put us before any and all. According to the bible, did God not call forth the angels and try to force them to worship/love the humans? Hence the fall of lucifer/Satan?
>If the human race is not central, then the question arises: does the human race have a function in the cosmos? If not, the human race is either accidental or decorative.
I've often come to the idea that perhaps Earth is a bit of an experience zone for us. Zipping through the cosmos, bouncing from galaxy to galaxy thousands of miles per hourfixing stuff and never getting to slow down. I feel that perhaps we get to pop into the human race for a cool down spell. Maybe even as a vacation. Earth could be a space travelers Super-Version of the game Clue.
>If the human race has a function, then the requirements of that function will press upon the race. Similarly, new parents, often inexperienced, find that their functional responsibilities force rapid learning.
This fact was my case as well. Becoming a parent as fat and sudden as I did forced many responsibilities and many many life lessons upon me that i was no where near ready to learn. some how through the good graces of our creator.....we are makin it hahahaha.
>Is the human race any different? For example, the human race is significantly dependent upon the ecosystems of this planet and is thereby being forced to take responsibility for ecosystem health.
Now here is where (as of late) I can not agree. I believe that Earth herself has her own system and it will act and react as it always has. There is no slowing it down or speeding it up. It is we that must adjust to Earths system(as we always have) or perish. This is not our first rodeo and it will not be our last. The time will come again where "we" will have to recollect seed and DNA and retreat until she repairs herself yet again. Upon completion we shall resurface and start anew as we are intended.
>If the human race has a proper function.
I find them(my own being) as a tool. We are to use them to build and learn. Earth has come to be a build up and destroy society. Nothing appears to remain. One of my favorite quotes. "If it's made by man it breaks, If it is made by man it dies." Since our beginnings has our number one purpose not been to "Build"? It is and has always been the only use of the human race, to labor and to feel. We build, we destroy. We love, we hate. We birth, we kill. If for no other reason, other than a learning tool, what would be the purpose of the human race. Now Some how, and some way the humans must continue to to believe that they are top dogs so they are left to their own self righteous beliefs until the time comes to make things right.
You see, they use to get whipped into submission and tortured and made to built societies(Egyptian and prior times). Now the human race is convinced that they are building to make things better for themselves. The "pay scale" or monetary system gives them a false hope that they are being rewarded for their building services. This is lunacy. They are doing the same slave work just without the beatings....sometimes. The pain is still there. Yet to them the boat, the new pool, the new car/truck makes it all worth the work and the day starts anew as we continue to beat the animal(internally/mentally) to ensure that we have these "just" rewards.
So if by some miraculous chance, someone was told the future, was given the answer to saving the human race(again), and tried to alert everyone, then said person would only be able to look forward to the very same resistance that Noah was prompted with? What a stupid animal we inhabit. I sometimes relate with the "angels" that refused to worship God's creation of humans. Sometimes the human reasoning and purpose in general is redundant. Fickle beast to say the least.
>Earth herself has her own system and it will act and react as it always has.
Quite so, but is the Earth the only system present?
If you read the book Dune, it is made clear that Earth humans were originally on Mars until they made a mess of it. Dune, in the mid 1960s told us that there is much water under the surface of Mars.
>There is no slowing it down or speeding it up. It is we that must adjust to Earths system
Unless of course the human race has a function such as balancing the various kingdoms in nature.
> Upon completion we shall resurface and start anew
There are many accounts of humans living deep under the surface, and not only with this planet.
> Earth has come to be a build up and destroy society.
That has changed a lot in my lifetime. As a child in a lower middle class family, we never acquired secondhand goods. These days buying secondhand is a virtue - sometimes called repurposing. The idea of living lightly upon the planet is very common in developed countries.
>some way the humans must continue to to believe that they are top dogs so they are left to their own self righteous beliefs until the time comes to make things right.
This might seem a damaging belief - as if there were not sufficient numbers of humans conscious of the planetary needs and the proper human roles in the unfoldment of a planetary system.
In my view there has been a significant student exchange process with many posted to this planet to assist in the transitions of various kingdoms including the human. For example the mineral kingdom is now noticeably more content than even 5 years ago.
>monetary system gives them a false hope
There are certainly dark forces that lure humans into adverse accumulations of wealth but those forces are now becoming less powerful than even a generation ago. It is like the yin-yang cycle: when one polarity becomes extreme the system moves rapidly away from that polarity. Thus extreme concentrations of wealth awaken the population and inspire change.
>the answer to saving the human race
It may be useful to distinguish the outer form (body-personality) from the spirit that wishes to inhabit the form. The spirit never dies.
It may also be useful to consider the very widespread native legends that their ancestors came from specific stars. There are some signs that star humans are still assisting their Earth colonies.
>sometimes relate with the "angels" that refused to worship God's creation of humans
>Quite so, but is the Earth the only system present?
I couldn't imagine only one system being involved. I could truly imagine hundreds of systems in place just to run the natural flow of water on earth. Yeah we are on the same page there.
>If you read the book Dune, it is made clear that Earth humans were originally on Mars until they made a mess of it. Dune, in the mid 1960s told us that there is much water under the surface of Mars.
Here on earth I believe we counter this inner water issue with our initial energy source at the earths core/bottom(what have you). I can only imagine this heat source is something that we either chose this planet for to assist with the watering issue or perhaps brought it here from mars after we got done tearing it apart. Still, this source helps I'm sure but there sure are a hell of a lot of those round holes all around the planet earth that just has trillions and trillions of gallons of water pouring down into them. They are definitely there for a reason....up for a plunge?
>Unless of course the human race has a function such as balancing the various kingdoms in nature.
The Human race balancing anything other than the next new cell phone into their budget would be wise to wake the hell up but I just don't see that happening in my generation. Covid is the new boogeymen so earth and her problems are the least of concern in the humans mind. Very unfortunate for earth it would seem.
Going to take all of this in for the night, always good chatting with ya Paul. Have a wonderful evening
>we counter this inner water issue with our initial energy source at the earths core
Quite a lot of issues in such a short statement.
The inner Earth ocean used to be known to the Sumerians as the Apsu (abyss) and it was known to be fresh water. The salt water oceans were dumped on the planet. See the link in an earlier post.
The energy source of the planet is interesting. Supposedly it derives from a nuclear sun producing gases that condense into very hot liquid under the influence of gravity.
Of course at the center of a planet there is no planetary gravity - the planet being typically a regular sphere and therefore the mass at the center being pulled equally in all directions.
No doubt you have noticed that gravity is supposed to form spherical planets, flat elliptical solar systems and spiral galaxies. Gravity seems very adaptable.
The sun is not really nuclear since the atmosphere is hotter than the surface which can hardly be the case if the center of the sun is the heat source. The best materialistic science can say is that the sun is driven by external electrical flows but of course the problem with that is: how is the universe driven?
>The Human race balancing anything other than the next new cell phone
That is like saying the cells in the end of my finger have no chance is maintaining a human body - yet it is maintained. Looking at individual humans misses the group functionality.
Personally I think it is worth supporting the human race. If it copes with this spiritually ill-conditioned planet then it will find employment in even more challenging situations.
