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Post by LorrB on Jun 21, 2010 9:37:21 GMT 9.5
Worth further investigation? Every Freemason knows that the brethren of that Order are called "Sons of the Widow." And it is stated in the Bible that Hiram Abiff, the Master Builder of Solomon's Temple, was the Son of a Widow, a cunning craftsman. We cannot in the present article repeat the Masonic Legend which tells the reason why. This we have given the book on "Freemasonry and Catholicism" and also in our books on the Rosicrucian Philosophy. But suffice it to say that in the Bible story to which reference has been made, we have one of the Naim, a Widow's Son or initiate of the old Serpent School, for the priests of Egypt were "phree messen," children of light. Each had within, the ancient Serpent Wisdom. But a new religion was being inaugurated, and it was necessary to raise the ancient Initiates to the Mysteries of the Coming Age. Therefore the Christ, the Lion of Judah, Lord of the New Kingdom, went to the Widow's Son of Nain and raised him up by the strong grip of the Lion's paw. And we may here emphasize that the first Initiate under the new system was Hiram Abiff, the highest Initiate of the old system, who by this new initiation given him by the Christ, became a Christian, pledged to bear the Rose and the Cross, which were the symbols of the New Mystery Teachings of the Western World and he was then given the symbolical name, Christian Rosenkreuz
www.rosicrucian.com/mos/moseng01.htm
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Post by LorrB on Jun 21, 2010 9:51:41 GMT 9.5
From the same link: Capricorn was the opposite of Cancer and embodied the ideal that as the goat climbs the mountains, so man must leave the basins of Atlantis and come up from the mist.
Riding a goat?
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Our condition during the middle third of the Atlantean Epoch is illustrated in the Sun's passage through the sign Gemini, the twins, which aptly represent infant humanity. During this age the division of soul from soul by the veil of flesh
Could Gemini be represented in our lodges by two Pillars?
We do have a Passing the Veils ceremony.
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The Bull was very properly worshiped by them, being an emblem of strength necessary to conquer the material world.
One of the Four Animals
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Atlantis was the home of the Bull, Taurus, and when the Sun, by precession, was leaving that sign the last time, the Religion of the Lamb Aries was definitely ushered in. Thenceforth, the worship of the Bull was abrogated and when any of the pioneer race, brought out from the ancient Atlantean dispensation by the blood of the Lamb, Aries, backslid and worshiped the Taurean "Calf," they acted contrary to the law of progress and were therefore "Idolaters," and an abomination to the divine hierarchs whose task it was to guide them during the ages preceding the advent of Christ.
Sun is the ruling planet for Leo and the Lion is the symbol. Leo people are creative, enthusiastic, loving.. Lions laying down with lambs (bible) - Creativity, enthusiasm and loving kindness usurp the old brute mentality and so the soul is enlightened, strengthened, evolved?
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Post by LorrB on Jul 20, 2010 13:22:42 GMT 9.5
Has anyone a short list of the most popular beliefs of where the term Freemason came from? Apart from the non slave labour bit.
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Post by Henka on Jul 20, 2010 15:37:31 GMT 9.5
Has anyone a short list of the most popular beliefs of where the term Freemason came from? Apart from the non slave labour bit. Try "Brother Mason" in Old French.  |
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Post by paul on Jul 20, 2010 16:19:18 GMT 9.5
I think that "messens" is a bit tricky.
For example the "messeh" is a crocodile and the king was anointed with crocodile fat to produce a messiah.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 20, 2010 16:32:43 GMT 9.5
Free = Frere .... yep that sounds feasible. But builder? Frere constructeur?
So can we explore this further.
Why French?
Why would you have a french word, Frere before an english word, mason?
The French and the Scottish do have strong connections.
Paul and I posted at the same time... re the crocodile oil.. messah.. could that be seen as playing the same role as the anointing oils in the various religions and 'the Dew' in esoteric literature?
Brothers Anointed (Frere Messeh)... I suppose becoming a Master of a Lodge could be seen in that light.
Anointed gets us back to things spirit filled.
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Post by mgc on Jul 21, 2010 0:03:22 GMT 9.5
a maison in french is a house..
house of brothers
maison des freres
frere macon would be brother mason
why french?
possibly the knight templars doing
originally it was most likely in latin?
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Post by paul on Jul 21, 2010 8:42:46 GMT 9.5
Has anyone a short list of the most popular beliefs of where the term Freemason came from? I suspect that Freemasons is a recent name. In ancient Egypt of course KST (as a metaphor) did not exist and it may be that the Great Pyramid was the House of Light with the white limestone reflecting the rising and setting sun over great distances - and the brethren were Sons of Light. One of our installation odes still calls us sons of light |
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Post by LorrB on Jul 21, 2010 10:32:36 GMT 9.5
Mgc... I had not thought of maison. House of brothers and brother masons. Good one. Thanks for that helpful clue Henka. Re: Knights Templars - did you know this? Many Templars were of Palestinian birth, spoke perfect Arabic, and were familiar with every religious sect, cult, and magical doctrine, including the Assassins. For instance, the Grand Master Philip of Nablus (1167 A.D.) was a Syrian. The Assassins, it might be mentioned, eventually became what is known today as the Ismaili sect of Islam.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_masonsknightstemplar05.htm Islam -> Sufism -> influenced Freemasonry... ? I have read several books of Sufism and they all remind me of Freemasonry. One of them was to do with the Ark of the Covenant and it was written entirely in green ink... as we do in our Ark Mariners. Of interest maybe is that Sufis believe the Ark to be non material.. rather a container for the spiritual 'seeds' between incarnations, which fits in with the Noah story. I just did a quick check to see if there was any link between the Sufis and Egypt... look what I found! The Ancient Egyptian Roots of Sufism
The common premise is that “Sufism” is an Islamic group practicing a form of mysticism that originated in Persia. “Sufism” has nothing to do with Islam or Persia, and everything to do with the quiet people of Ancient and Baladi Egypt. Two points of interest should be mentioned here:
The term and practices of “Sufism” surfaced as a result of Islamic conquests and the subsequent terrorizing of its victims. In order for the Islamic-terrorized masses to maintain their ancient traditions, they had to camouflage old traditions under an Islamic garment.
The pure form of “Sufism” originated in Egypt. Other countries copied it and were quick to take the credit for it. Their application of “Sufism” is impure and incomplete.
www.egypt-tehuti.org/articles/sufism.html
 Lovin' the way this thread is developing... just goes to show four people with different ideas can all be correct ?? Note the globes on top on the pillars! |
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Post by paul on Jul 21, 2010 11:22:32 GMT 9.5
>Note the globes on top on the pillars!
There was a pillar each for the northern and southern kingdom of Egypt. While these are generally regarded as markers I wonder if they performed some energy function - perhaps like a mobile phone tower.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 21, 2010 14:27:00 GMT 9.5
I know that sounds outlandish, but then again we are told that 'God' communicated to the High Priest from a point above the seat of the Ark. The Ark could have be electrically alive, anyone who touched it dropped dead. Maybe this is an example of things being hidden in plain sight. It would be easy enough to check out your suggestion, if there are any globes atop pillars left check them out.
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Post by paul on Jul 21, 2010 15:47:47 GMT 9.5
This looks like a light bulb  And here are two of them  |
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Post by mgc on Jul 21, 2010 21:21:44 GMT 9.5
its a bit big for a light bulb imo..
whats that weird thing with arms but no body?
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Post by paul on Jul 22, 2010 6:52:41 GMT 9.5
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Post by mgc on Jul 22, 2010 13:36:20 GMT 9.5
what do u think about its position in the picture above?
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Post by paul on Jul 22, 2010 16:19:13 GMT 9.5
The two images show different positions for the djed. I am inclined to think the top picture more accurate as in the lower image, the djed is merely holding up the device in the same way as the slave(?) to the left who holds it up with both hands and head. You will also notice some symbolic representations including the lotus petals at the base of the device in the top image and the serpents in each - even a cobra in the lower left. This probably indicates that the artists did not understand what they were depicting - perhaps through ignorance or from accounts passed down. Note also that the figure holding the device in the top image is much larger than the other humanoids. The gods were reputedly much taller than humans. I have been told that Osiris was 17 feet tall. Now the Djed is a pillar representing Stability en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djed And here is the Djed being raised into place  And here is the Djed being used by Isis (note the chair with one step - JW) and Nephthys  Note that Nepthys seems to carry the bread of the Blazing Star on her head. And we can see the Djed functioning to connect to the Solar Disk. And here the role of the djed in the raising of Osiris  Note that Isis and Nephthys are shown as statues in the lower image It is likely that the depictions are somewhat symbolic with the functions indicated by analogy just as the lotus flower is depicted at the base of the device and a serpent within, the depiction of the djed is somewhat symbolic. Thus we may have the djed as an energy device that links into the greater system and shown as the principle behind the device but not actually part of the device - hence the variation of contact. See also the role of "the lock" in Shikasta en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikasta |
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Post by mgc on Jul 22, 2010 17:43:21 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Jul 22, 2010 18:03:23 GMT 9.5
>who is the figure on the right?
Since we see the djed associated with the sun disk, the figure with the disk on the head may actually be the same as the djed
>what does the pillar it sits on represent?
The djed (represented as a set of disks) may sit on a pillar - hence the figure on the pillar may be an alternate representation
>why does the lotus originate there?
Perhaps there is some parallel being made with the form/function of the lotus
>whos the guy on the right and what is he holding?
Some depictions of the djed have a male figure holding long club-like objects
Perhaps you might like to investigate and report back
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Post by Henka on Jul 23, 2010 1:25:09 GMT 9.5
The two images show different positions for the djed. I am inclined to think the top picture more accurate as in the lower image, the djed is merely holding up the device in the same way as the slave(?) to the left who holds it up with both hands and head. You will also notice some symbolic representations including the lotus petals at the base of the device in the top image and the serpents in each - even a cobra in the lower left. This probably indicates that the artists did not understand what they were depicting - perhaps through ignorance or from accounts passed down. Note also that the figure holding the device in the top image is much larger than the other humanoids. The gods were reputedly much taller than humans. I have been told that Osiris was 17 feet tall. Now the Djed is a pillar representing Stability en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djed And here is the Djed being raised into place And here is the Djed being used by Isis (note the chair with one step - JW) and Nephthys Note that Nepthys seems to carry the bread of the Blazing Star on her head. And we can see the Djed functioning to connect to the Solar Disk. And here the role of the djed in the raising of Osiris Note that Isis and Nephthys are shown as statues in the lower image It is likely that the depictions are somewhat symbolic with the functions indicated by analogy just as the lotus flower is depicted at the base of the device and a serpent within, the depiction of the djed is somewhat symbolic. Thus we may have the djed as an energy device that links into the greater system and shown as the principle behind the device but not actually part of the device - hence the variation of contact. See also the role of "the lock" in Shikasta en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShikastaYou are correct in that the representations are symbolic, however, I think it is a stretch to attribute to the images a literal assumption of depiction of a device. The Djed pillar does, indeed, represent stability. It is the spinal column of Osiris himself in symbolic form. Note in the image of Isis and Nephthys that the Djed is topped by an Ankh, representing Eternal Life, the raised arms representing the Ka and the Solar Disc representing the Godhead: Khemetian science was one of spiritual science, a total integration of "church and State" that is difficult to grasp in today's world. Heka (magic) was a natural part of religion and the everyday lives of the people and priesthood. I think that we make a mistake in attributing electrical and/or mechanical devices to representations of spiritual processes. |
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Post by paul on Jul 23, 2010 8:01:29 GMT 9.5
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Lovin' the way this thread is developing... just goes to show four people with different ideas can all be correct ?? Note the globes on top on the pillars!