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Post by sammy on Sept 8, 2018 2:23:35 GMT 9.5
We have been able to deduce the reason behind our current formation for numbers. Originating from Arabic.
If you do some research on the origins of our alphabet it becomes a little more murky to decipher. Perhaps because it was altered so many times, or because its understanding changed. Regardless of what the shape describes or how it is pronounced, the shape stays pretty close just like numbers do.
They say the "A" was first designed as Oxen, if you flip it upside down it resembles a cow face with horns. It also resembles a compass.
They say a "C" is to resemble the top of a staff or a boomerang. The shape is more like a 45 degree angle, also the shape of a square.
I am not as familiar with Masonic symbols, are there any other close similarities?
I have also noticed radius' and other geometric use in Egyptian designs. If geometry was so viable in the Egyptian culture, why did they use pictures instead?
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Post by sammy on Sept 8, 2018 3:13:35 GMT 9.5
To add some more "L" looks like "7" flipped. "b" and "6". "P" and "9". Also "i" and "!".
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Post by elijah on Sept 8, 2018 4:46:56 GMT 9.5
when i project into the numbers and letter symbols themselfs i start to see a much deeper significance ..
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Post by paul on Sept 8, 2018 8:17:16 GMT 9.5
> reason behind our current formation for numbers It is an interesting exposition but not particularly historical  >i project into the numbers and letter symbols themselfs i start to see a much deeper significance .. A good exercise. All symbols, in order to be symbols rather than emblems, must resonate, at least partially, with an aspect of Reality. Thus the symbol is a portal to the deeper Reality. Be careful which portals you use and not all portals are correctly labeled.  |
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Post by fjrogers on Sept 9, 2018 10:50:29 GMT 9.5
I think symbolism aids language in expressing reality, i.e. different levels of reality.
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Post by boreades on Sept 9, 2018 20:06:41 GMT 9.5
A, Alpha from Aleph
B, Beta from Bet
C, Gamma from Gimel
According to this, these are supposed to mean ox, house and throwing stick (or) camel.
To me, that sounds and smells like the idiotic lost-in-translation guesswork we get when archeologists and historians are trying to understand something based on mathematics or geometry. Like their original explanations for the Phaistos Disc or the Antikythera mechanism.
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Post by paul on Sept 9, 2018 20:25:40 GMT 9.5
>supposed to mean ox, house and throwing stick (or) camel
I read an account that,as I recall, stated that about 1941 US Army engineers were investigating caverns in New Mexico and found the remains of an ancient battle between local Indians and some aliens.
They found alien writing but could not read it until a professor that specialized in Sumerian was called in. It turned out that the alien language was very similar to Sumerian cuneiform.
Perhaps human writing originated as simplified versions of the writing of alien gods - arriving as military occupiers of the planet.
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Post by boreades on Sept 9, 2018 21:10:02 GMT 9.5
If the priests, druids, academics, etc didn't write things down (for their own good reasons), who did want to write things down? By way of an example, the first useful working computer in Britain was built and paid for by Lyons Tea Shops. For valuation jobs, payroll, inventory, etc en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEO_(computer)Traders and merchants might have needed to write things down, for bills of sales, stock control, shipping inventories, etc. Hence the Phoenician alphabet arriving in Britain along with all the trade goods by ship. |
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Post by paul on Sept 10, 2018 6:27:14 GMT 9.5
>who did want to write things down?
Perhaps there was technology to be taught including mathematics, landscape feng shui such as round towers, genealogies, predictions of seasons during rapid climate change, prediction of return of particular gods, reading of ancient accounts, ...
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Post by sammy on Sept 11, 2018 1:53:05 GMT 9.5
A, Alpha from Aleph
B, Beta from Bet
C, Gamma from Gimel
According to this, these are supposed to mean ox, house and throwing stick (or) camel.
To me, that sounds and smells like the idiotic lost-in-translation guesswork we get when archeologists and historians are trying to understand something based on mathematics or geometry. Like their original explanations for the Phaistos Disc or the Antikythera mechanism.
My sentiments exactly! I cant shake the feeling something was lost along the way. I also have the feeling its not too late to reverse engineer it, to try and understand what that was. |
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Post by sammy on Sept 11, 2018 2:25:51 GMT 9.5
when i project into the numbers and letter symbols themselfs i start to see a much deeper significance .. Same. Its become hard for me to ignore.. |
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Post by sammy on Sept 11, 2018 2:29:13 GMT 9.5
If the priests, druids, academics, etc didn't write things down (for their own good reasons), who did want to write things down? By way of an example, the first useful working computer in Britain was built and paid for by Lyons Tea Shops. For valuation jobs, payroll, inventory, etc en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEO_(computer)Traders and merchants might have needed to write things down, for bills of sales, stock control, shipping inventories, etc. Hence the Phoenician alphabet arriving in Britain along with all the trade goods by ship. Interesting comparison. I agree there must have been some foundation for their understanding. |
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Post by sammy on Sept 11, 2018 2:33:48 GMT 9.5
We have been able to deduce the reason behind our current formation for numbers. Originating from Arabic.
If you do some research on the origins of our alphabet it becomes a little more murky to decipher. Perhaps because it was altered so many times, or because its understanding changed. Regardless of what the shape describes or how it is pronounced, the shape stays pretty close just like numbers do.
They say the "A" was first designed as Oxen, if you flip it upside down it resembles a cow face with horns. It also resembles a compass.
They say a "C" is to resemble the top of a staff or a boomerang. The shape is more like a 45 degree angle, also the shape of a square.
I am not as familiar with Masonic symbols, are there any other close similarities?
I have also noticed radius' and other geometric use in Egyptian designs. If geometry was so viable in the Egyptian culture, why did they use pictures instead?
Woops! A square is 90 degrees HAHA! Ive trained my brain to think 45 degree when I see 90, as I will be making a 45 degree cut on the wood.
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Post by sammy on Sept 11, 2018 4:13:41 GMT 9.5
I have thought in the past a "G" resembles something in a orbit. The lower case "g" resembles something going into/out of orbit. Also a "Q" is similar, and was also a more recently developed shape in the grand scheme.
Another to me is "D" resembles a half moon, but also a bowl so a bit washy on this.
R or the lower case "r" portrays a radius off a straight line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:06:24 GMT 9.5
Paul Wrote:
They found alien writing but could not read it until a professor that specialized in Sumerian was called in. It turned out that the alien language was very similar to Sumerian cuneiform.
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The Thule society has been suspected of using medians in the early part of the 20th century to channel information from an alien race. The writings were also rumored to be Sumerian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:14:36 GMT 9.5
I remember reading about the Hindu Numerals 1-9
An operative mason from the 19th century talks about Runic script..stating the language is as old as the human race. I found it intriguing also that the operative masons would use Runic forms to construct personal marks.
As a child I came across Jules Verne - Journey to the centre of the earth. A coded message was found in Runic script, when translated to latin and read backwards revealed its meaning
The original version was published in french, when translated into other languages I find there is a loss in meaning.
Or
Information left out
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Post by sammy on Sept 12, 2018 1:18:45 GMT 9.5
I remember reading about the Hindu Numerals 1-9 An operative mason from the 19th century talks about Runic script..stating the language is as old as the human race. I found it intriguing also that the operative masons would use Runic forms to construct personal marks. As a child I came across Jules Verne - Journey to the centre of the earth. A coded message was found in Runic script, when translated to latin and read backwards revealed its meaning The original version was published in french, when translated into other languages I find there is a loss in meaning. Or Information left out Are you able to find this online? Would love to dissect it! |
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Post by sammy on Sept 12, 2018 2:21:23 GMT 9.5
I have found you are correct Earth021, that things get lost through translation.
Here is a runic recount of Odin casting a spell.
In this stanza, Odin recounts a spell:
Þat kann ek it tolfta,
ef ek sé á tré uppi
váfa virgilná,:
svá ek ríst ok í rúnum fák,
at sá gengr gumi
ok mælir við mik.[20]
I know a twelfth one
if I see up in a tree,
a dangling corpse in a noose,
I can so carve and colour the runes,
that the man walks
and talks with me.[
This could also mean communication, and not raising the dead body. But these writers are not around to ask anymore.
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Post by sammy on Sept 12, 2018 3:00:26 GMT 9.5
I have found another possible. The letter H resembles the twin pillars.
The line in between = the path between the pillars? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 11:52:15 GMT 9.5
Here is one reference - mason marks Transaction of the historic society Later on it talks about Egypt and how the builders left their marks using at times red ochre paint. I find this interesting since not too long ago they found red marks contained within the Great Pyramid. Are those red symbols mason marks from when the pyramid was built?  |
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