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Post by Heru on Jun 24, 2017 12:56:20 GMT 9.5
I came across a Turkish muslim freemason recently and although his show seems abit odd he seems to have garnered the attention of some masons around the world.
You have the muslim mason wishing the coming of Mahdi (which according to islamic belief isn't the messiah but someone who will sort of preclude Christ,abit like John the Baptist I suppose) then you have the christian mason wishing the coming of christ and then u have the Jew wishing the coming of the Mashiach who again according to their own scriptures will be a different person from the islamic/christian redeemer.
The shows host seems to try to make the case that all 3 are actually the same person but obviously jewish/christian/islamic scripture all differ so I fail to see this myself (I am open to interpretations however)
Are we all really waiting for the same figure and if so how does each different interpretation effect an individuals relationship of said redeemer,is world peace actually a possibility and would this be the only way?
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2017 16:51:36 GMT 9.5
The concept of needing a redeemer is a theo-political construct that denies the oneness of all and gives power to religious hierarchies.
Nevertheless there have been and will be interventions to assist the human race on Earth. The Renaissance was such an event. Look at the caliber of souls incarnating then. We have had nothing like that since.
>seems to try to make the case that all 3 are actually the same person
It saves arguments that might prove one's own beliefs to be false.
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Post by Heru on Jun 24, 2017 17:32:13 GMT 9.5
The concept of needing a redeemer is a theo-political construct that denies the oneness of all and gives power to religious hierarchies. Nevertheless there have been and will be interventions to assist the human race on Earth. The Renaissance was such an event. Look at the caliber of souls incarnating then. We have had nothing like that since. Is this what you would attribute to planetary cycles? Perhaps in times past the need and desire for a redeemer has fluctuated ,some seem to push for his coming far greater than others. |
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2017 18:06:53 GMT 9.5
>attribute to planetary cycles?
There are planetary and cosmic cycles and no doubt intelligence species are affected.
> the need and desire for a redeemer has fluctuated
The less humans feel their oneness with All, the easier it is to sell redemption.
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Post by Heru on Jun 25, 2017 10:11:27 GMT 9.5
Maybe others who believe in Christ on this forum could shed some light as to their views of what will happen when according to the Gospels Christ returns,how will he treat non Christians? Will he come to Unite with Love or with the Sword and vengeance?
Matthew 10:34:Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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Post by fjrogers on Jun 25, 2017 13:20:01 GMT 9.5
Maybe others who believe in Christ on this forum could shed some light as to their views of what will happen when according to the Gospels Christ returns,how will he treat non Christians? Will he come to Unite with Love or with the Sword and vengeance? Matthew 10:34:Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.How literally does one want to take the gospel? Service and self-knowledge are of utmost importance in understanding the Truth. |
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Post by Heru on Jun 25, 2017 13:45:44 GMT 9.5
Would you say you accept the character of Jesus to be true but perhaps not as stated in the authorised gospels?
I know there are a number of rejected books that some find interest in (gospel of Thomas I believe is one of them) so maybe there are hints left elsewhere that shed light on this matter.
I know the tale of dying and rising after 3 days is found in the ancient Egyptian remnants but I can't recall the Egyptian waiting for a redeemer as such?
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Post by paul on Jun 25, 2017 14:43:59 GMT 9.5
>I know the tale of dying and rising after 3 days is found in the ancient Egyptian remnants
Not rising but being raised. Horus raised his father. This was reproduced in the earliest form of the 3rd degree that we know, where Noah was raised by his sons.
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Post by fjrogers on Jun 26, 2017 18:42:26 GMT 9.5
>I know the tale of dying and rising after 3 days is found in the ancient Egyptian remnants Not rising but being raised. Horus raised his father. This was reproduced in the earliest form of the 3rd degree that we know, where Noah was raised by his sons. Being raised from the dead is something very ancient that goes back at least to the flood. It must be remembered that resurrection is not simply a Christian phenomenon. It's built into mythology far more ancient that Christianity. |
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Post by Heru on Jun 27, 2017 5:39:17 GMT 9.5
What do some masons mean by the Christ force if they don't believe the man to be real? Or are they the exception?
I've seen diagrams of the tree of life with the cross depicted between the higher and lower realms ,a christian mystics interpretation?
There are many christians who swear to the sighting of Christ and his virgin mother,some muslims would swear visions of Muhammad perhaps some Buddhist swear similar sightings of Buddha,entities playing tricks maybe?
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Post by paul on Jun 27, 2017 6:25:12 GMT 9.5
The word Christ means annointed and is the Greek translation of Messiah, and that comes from the Egyptian word Messeh - crocodile. The Egyptian kings were annointed with the fat of the sacred crocodile. The crocodile represented a sacred creature that the Hindus and the Maoris called the Makara. " Varuna (the Vedic water god) became the God of the seas and rode on makara" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makara_(Hindu_mythology)So Jesus the Christ was annointed by some higher energy. That higher energy is available to many beings including beyond the Earth. Thus we have reference to the Cosmic Christ (both as energy and as an intelligent entity) ronrolheiser.com/the-cosmic-christ/The Cosmic Christ is represented in the solar system by the Logos (Spirit) of the planet Jupiter. Thus each human may aspire to radiate and represent Christ energies at some level. As for needing a redeemer, that is a form of theology that I do not accept. Being a spark of the Divine Flame, I am never lost, even though my human experience might be that. >I've seen diagrams of the tree of life with the cross depicted between the higher and lower realms ,a christian mystics interpretation? The Christian cross is a later adaptation of the equal armed cross - a useful energy device. >many christians who swear to the sighting of Christ and his virgin mother When we see an energy event the seeing process involves translating the perception into our existing set of images. Thus it is common that religious humans seeing evolved aliens (often etheric rather than physical) consider them to be figures from their religious beliefs. And the aliens may encourage these beliefs in order to influence the Earth humans more easily. Accordingly the Roman church is very careful about accepting visions and visitations at face value. And of course most of the ancient gods were actually visitors to the planet. Not all of them were nice to humans. |
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Post by Heru on Jun 27, 2017 9:28:56 GMT 9.5
The last time I was in a zoo (earlier this year) I was drawn to the crocodile and decided to stare into it's eyes for awhile, can't say why I was drawn to it but maybe this somehow fits. Remember those random stones (believed to be anchors for Noah's ark) in turkey? Well they had those equal armed cross imprinted into them:  An interesting depiction of the cross:  >When we see an energy event the seeing process involves translating the perception into our existing set of images Yeeees that makes perfect sense, good explanations as always |
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Post by paul on Jun 27, 2017 12:42:16 GMT 9.5
> equal armed cross imprinted into them Most of those seem to be Croix Pattee - as used by the Templars en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9eIn your Figure 2 I am not sure that the pentagram wants to be there. |
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Post by fjrogers on Jun 30, 2017 16:10:59 GMT 9.5
I really don't think that the pentagram belongs on the equal armed cross. I believe some symbols can be superimposed onto others but not those two particular ones.
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Post by Heru on Jul 1, 2017 12:15:31 GMT 9.5
Yes on closer inspection it does seem forcefully imposed, if you spend the time and energy you could probably fit a lot of different symbols in all kinds of images.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Jul 4, 2017 12:14:48 GMT 9.5
Maybe others who believe in Christ on this forum could shed some light as to their views of what will happen when according to the Gospels Christ returns,how will he treat non Christians? Will he come to Unite with Love or with the Sword and vengeance? Matthew 10:34:Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.How literally does one want to take the gospel? Service and self-knowledge are of utmost importance in understanding the Truth. When I came to know Christ I did not know peace. I was tormented for months and years, sometimes I still lose my equilibrium. I miss my days of peaceful ignorance. Christ did not use the sword on me, he handed it to me. The battle is mine now. Often I am confused and unsure as I hack my way through life. Such is the sword of truth. |
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Post by paul on Jul 6, 2017 20:56:36 GMT 9.5
>So the ones who try hard this time & still fail Probably mite be head of class next rodeo
There is a line of thought that says that the planet (and its intelligences) is moving on in a vibrational sense and that humans that do not want to go with that flow will find themselves in another system when next they take form.
For example: blue is a strange color for the sky. I remember yellow.
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Post by paul on Jul 14, 2017 6:24:44 GMT 9.5
There are some interesting aspects of Job - leaving aside which Lord was speaking. >Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Why was nakedness a problem with answering rhetorical questions? >Who hath laid the measures thereof, ... or who hath stretched the line upon it? The measuring of the Earth as a planet (geo-metry) was an important early function, depicted in ancient Egypt and repeated in Blake's Ancient of Days. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_of_Days Why was it so important to have precise measurements of the planet? Were resonances available at geometric points? >Or [who] shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, [as if] it had issued out of the womb? This is the flood (of Noah) when the fountains of the Deep (Apsu) were opened. And here we have an account of causing the cessation of the flood. This account is not in Genesis. The claim by this Lord to have shut up the sea is probably spurious. It is much more likely that the flood was a result of pressure inside the planet that pushed out the fresh water of the Apsu. When the excess pressure was exhausted (much of it probably gas) the resulting low pressure inside the planet sucked most of the water back in. (A rapid expansion causes a cooling and therefore a subsequent low pressure) “The big take-home message is that the water cycle on Earth is bigger than we ever thought, extending into the deep mantle.” www.newscientist.com/article/mg23231014-700-deepest-water-found-1000km-down-a-third-of-way-to-earths-core/ |
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Post by paul on Jul 15, 2017 6:59:48 GMT 9.5
It is actually the sky color that I remember and I think that is more related to the gases in the atmosphere than the color of the sun.
As to the meaning of a new heaven and a new earth, perhaps that should be read as a theo-political statement. In traditional histories occasionally the set of gods that manages this planet is changed - by force. Then Heaven (the celestial ruling power) is changed and Earth (the planetary ruling power) is changed.
For example the highest Sumerian god that visited the planet was/is Anu/An. His name just means "heaven". Thus a new heaven is a new heavenly sovereign.
An alternate meaning for new heaven appears in Dr Who. A particular planet is actually a very large space craft and periodically it demanifests and remanifests around a victim planet in a different part of the galaxy. Thus the sky view from this artifical planet is an entirely new set of stars - and the planet experiences new wealth as it extracts the resource of the victim planet.
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Post by paul on Jul 16, 2017 19:17:32 GMT 9.5
>often said is average humans in the reincarnation window have a time band of like 100 to 500 years before a return trip !
Quite a lot of those that died in WW2 were reborn as Baby Boomers. Perhaps they were caught short in WW2.
>Gynecology & cycles of life & possible parameters a physics set of rules could function in a planetary reality
Consider the concept of Pralaya - where the whole solar system goes out then into manifestation.
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