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Post by paul on Jun 17, 2015 13:00:13 GMT 9.5
I am re-watching Amadeus and one of the lines is: All men are equal in God's eyes
But is it true?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 18:47:44 GMT 9.5
I wonder, if all souls transmigrate towards perfection, an eternal journey, then equality is just a function of time, seen with a God's eye view we would all be equal. Seen within the snapshot of man's place in relation to others at a point in time, then we are unequal.
To my mind this boils down to the questions:
Do all souls have the same potential irrespective of time taken to achieve it?
Do all souls eventually reach their potential?
I think that if the above two questions are answered as yes, then I would say that all 'men' are equal in God's eyes.
If the first question is answered yes and the second question is a no, then I might modify the statement to read 'all men are created equal', but I have not convinced myself of this argument yet, and it feels like I'm trivialising the point.
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Post by fjrogers on Jun 17, 2015 20:06:16 GMT 9.5
All people are equal in a Divine sense, but not all people are at the same stage in evolution.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Jun 17, 2015 21:45:05 GMT 9.5
In my experience people often confuse the ideas of "equal" and "the same". To me, all men are equal means that everyone lives in a personal world composed of their physical, spiritual, mental, and emotional realities. In each of these worlds every individual has challenges. To acquire balance the individual must meet these challenges. It is in our degree of success that we differ, or become "not the same".
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Post by paul on Jun 18, 2015 3:54:34 GMT 9.5
>I wonder, if all souls transmigrate towards perfection, an eternal journey, then equality is just a function of time,
If you had written that about Spirit then it probably would be true.
On the other hand souls are not eternal.
And according to Blavatsky many humans do not have souls.
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Post by paul on Jun 18, 2015 3:56:53 GMT 9.5
>In my experience people often confuse the ideas of "equal" and "the same".
Perhaps the original comment might more accurately be "equally valued" but even then it is still not an obvious proposition.
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Post by elijah on Jun 18, 2015 10:14:22 GMT 9.5
>>>I am re-watching Amadeus and one of the lines is: All men are equal in God's eyes
But is it true?
If you look at the artwork on the films cover you will see subliminal themes associating the all seeing eye which is GOD's eye in my opinion...
Also if we take into account mozart has been attribute to have all sorts of mental abnormalities...this alludes to most likely he was turned on high a functioning savant as they say...
If one looks toward nature and ancient traditions....
there was always some kind of ritual where a man is givin certain entheogenic compound and left to his own inner workings....once mans eyes get a glimpse of the eye of god threw nature all truths and lies come crashing down and he himself will have to work threw this....It is man who created god...as man in a state of fully open circuits would take a whole different vessel to harness the so called god energy which not only is within everything but will exists with out everything... as it is a single point where all emerges...spirit has separated from this point to experience the world outside of itself...
so yes in the eyes of god all men are equal cause god realizes everything is a extension of itself...
but if this realization is misunderstood and the proper steps are not made this where the problems begin...
as for certain humans not having souls this maybe true as the soul is the inner sun which sparks enlightenment .... there maybe humans on earth that are not able to generate this fire <sol> from which the godhead emerges....
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Post by LorrB on Jun 20, 2015 13:25:05 GMT 9.5
>>>I am re-watching Amadeus and one of the lines is: All men are equal in God's eyes as for certain humans not having souls this maybe true as the soul is the inner sun which sparks enlightenment .... there maybe humans on earth that are not able to generate this fire <sol> from which the godhead emerges.... ... an entity incarnating as a human being for the first time maybe ?? but that then raises more questions than one. What if ... First there was Spirit which diminishes part of itself (a spark) or descends to a soul body which then produces the dense physica body ... in this scenario, it might seem that the physical body could disrupt the connection to soul body by continuing the descent further into something more dense than the matter we are used to. Just thoughts. |
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Post by elijah on Jun 21, 2015 5:24:02 GMT 9.5
Slow down the pressure cooker and allow proper gestation periods and for all the species to be on the same page for the next evolution Hyper gate jump maneuver Just my musing though I could be full of bull LOL a article just appeared the other day coincidental with your theory www.ndtv.com/world-news/earth-entering-sixth-extinction-phase-species-disappearing-100-times-faster-study-773663obviously the fear mongering title is placed there for those still caught up in the end of days scenario ....but if one reads betweens the lines seems like this evolutionary upgrade of earth is happening and even those in science cant deny it.... |
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Post by elijah on Jun 21, 2015 11:21:29 GMT 9.5
The subject has controversy yep but trusting men more than god is the actual problem ... Empathy is needed for those sucked into his though ... Point seems SOME have or deserve to not trust god yet perhaps As the topic suggest then could it be said we are all equal in gods eyes but most don't see god as there equal ... too much for most too take on and i believe that is another reason why its hard for people to subject themselfs into fringe thinking... as to acuse someone of being mad or crazy is alot easier then to comprehend or have no attachment at all... not trying to change anothers view even if they ask...telling them i have no answers you gotta find them yourself....sort of discouragement threw desires one finds encouragement of the spirit... |
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Jun 22, 2015 0:33:48 GMT 9.5
These questions remind me of something I learned recently. There is a famous text (unfortunately I didn't write down the title and author) that explains a widely accepted view in the field of social psychology. It explains that the mind thinks by placing information into categories. The minds ability to do this is an extremely useful tool. Imagine how useful it was for early man to place the plant life into the categories of edible and inedible. Or perhaps to place people into the categories of friends or foe. Remember, the author of this work was stating that (perhaps to reduce it's workload) the mind automatically places things into categories.
What the author says about this process is that while these categories are useful, the information in them is not real. This is an important distinction that I think many people do not understand about their own thinking. The best way I can explain this is to talk about prejudice. If I meet someone who is from another religion I categorize their god as different from mine. so far I am correct. But I make a mistake if I allow myself to to think: 1.My god is real. 2.Your god is different. 3.Therefore, your god is unreal. The categories are useful, but they do not determine the reality of the objects they contain.
What brought all this to mind was the post about dictionary definitions. Definitions are descriptions that we use to put things into categories. They are useful, but they are not the reality of the thing. These categories, these "devices of the mind" help the mind to function. But they are only part, a tool perhaps, that we can use to comprehend reality. I think it is important to understand how the "tools" we use to understand our reality are formed, and the nature of their purposes and limitations.
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Post by paul on Jun 22, 2015 11:26:54 GMT 9.5
...the all seeing eye which is GOD's eye in my opinion... The earliest record of the all-seeing eye is for the Sumerian god Enlil (Baal) who is recorded as having an uplifted eye above his house that searched all the lands. In modern parlance we might call it a satellite. Enlil seems to be the same as Asar (Osiris), The name Asar is a combination of Eye and Throne.  Also Enlil is widely regarded as the same as Asur - the Babylonian god depicted as flying not so high overhead. Here he oversees the gods collecting the fruit of the Tree of Life - to maintain their immortality under this Sun  Still the All Seeing Eye is a wonderful symbol for the oversight of the god that punishes those of his people that are wrong-doers. The Source of All however, as far as I can see, contains all beings within its body and hence uses all senses to observe its creation. |
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Post by paul on Jun 22, 2015 11:35:27 GMT 9.5
So have we made any progress on the original topic?
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Jun 22, 2015 23:28:01 GMT 9.5
I am re-watching Amadeus and one of the lines is: All men are equal in God's eyes But is it true? I think the answer to your question depends on your definition of God. I tend to see God as Universal Force and Matter. This is the "All men who jump off tall buildings are equal in God's eyes" school of thought.  Meaning that God, seen as the forces of nature, treats everyone the same. If you subscribe to the "God who loves, cares, and thinks about you as an individual" theory, it can be hard to understand how all people are equal. After all, if God is that involved in your life why do bad things happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 23:31:53 GMT 9.5
> After all, if God is that involved in your life why do bad things happen?
What kind of love would it be that offered no free will, and what would free will be without consequence?
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Jun 22, 2015 23:40:25 GMT 9.5
> After all, if God is that involved in your life why do bad things happen? What kind of love would it be that offered no free will, and what would free will be without consequence? Forgive me if I misunderstand your response, but when you talk about freewill and conscience it appears to me that you are talking about man, not god. If you are saying that all men are equal in gods eyes because they all have freewill and conscience, I agree with that point. However I am under the impression that the question was about god, not man. |
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Post by elijah on Jun 23, 2015 4:43:51 GMT 9.5
The Source of All however, as far as I can see, contains all beings within its body and hence uses all senses to observe its creation. equal - original translation latin for aequus - level or even - sublime translation of water -aequa - leveling the subconscious? The source of all - would have to add subtract multiply and divide in a sense out of itself since all is contained within ....and that which comes out of this divine formula would have to do the same to be equal to the source of all...this can be why we have the great work for man to become gods equal... so in that sense paul i see man as a potentiate for equality in gods eyes...but he has to do the necessary work to achieve this.... if man does not work to achieve his equality to god then osiris will judge man by his deeds and if seen not as equal to god - will feed him to the Demon ammit - the embodiment of the predator a role which man may have taken in his past incarnation skewing his view to see the beauty and love within all earthly creations... as you said All Seeing Eye is a wonderful symbol for the oversight of the god that punishes those of his people that are wrong-doers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 3:52:30 GMT 9.5
Are all men created equal?
This very same thought came to mind last week.
Are we?
Now let's break this question down a little.
Are we referring to our individual animals(humans) as being equal or are we referring to our individual spirits as being equal? Without even reading any other comments i had yo rudely ask these questions first. Now just to kick it up a notch I can honestly say that in either or both, there are some serious darn design flaws from the perspective that "I" see. Never to demean nor criticize God's work but dang! We must have pissed him off something fierce to have to deal with the stuff we go through. Not too bad though...KFC and Lipton green tee kinda makes it right....but not fully darning! Lmao Man its beautiful out today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 4:08:18 GMT 9.5
The profits and kings of Israel got to ask God for a gift to rule the kingdom of Israel ... How much time does a human spend before they ask god for their gift Know anybody that has a set of cojones large enough to tell god i think u got the wrong guy or maybe can i provide my gift to help another like Three Wishes (1995) - IMDb and Pat does not ask for a wish for himself One of the x files flicks Mulder found a gini and asked her for world peace ... He was then in a world of no one else present ... he had an undo feature of his wish and the set the gini free with is final wish >One of the x files flicks Mulder found a gini and asked her for world peace ... He was then in a world of no one else present ... he had an undo feature of his wish and the set the gini free with is final wish I love that episode!. She wreaked havoc too! Evil *ss wookies! Foxfires. You have a masters in metaphysics? Not that I even know what the hell that is....but it brings me back to my earlier points. You guys are like geniuses and I unclog toilets! What in the hell could I do in lodge besides unclog the dang sinks?! I understand about 2% of the topics on this forum, I hate math and when it comes to anything of mathematical reason then I shut down like a blackwhole loosing its energy I mean I hate math, I can not begin to express how much I hat...well now I just began explaining how much I hate math so I guess nothings out of reach eh? Lol damn I got issues. Hahahahaha |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 0:53:23 GMT 9.5
>Hypnotists .,. some R cool but Self Hypno works Great also to slowly change ones fate & feelings about self.
You know Fox, as of this morning, my consumption of self hate eludes me. With Paul's advice and other vices I believe that I am doing better in that department and will no longer condem myself for things that I had no idea I could control.. I find that I have made it here for a reason. Why? No idea, but here I am. So I will do my best to learn and do as I should without all the negative feelings and energies that have constantly hounded me. Let's hope I do not stooge up the forum too much. 😌 😃
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Meaning that God, seen as the forces of nature, treats everyone the same. If you subscribe to the "God who loves, cares, and thinks about you as an individual" theory, it can be hard to understand how all people are equal. After all, if God is that involved in your life why do bad things happen?