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Post by paul on Mar 10, 2022 8:50:02 GMT 9.5
... Let us say you have a hormonal issue - let's say the person has low thyroid function or had a brain injury (from external causes) that led to them having low levels of hormones. Would giving the body the hormones externally still 'kink' and 'loop' the wire even though you would be 'externally' fixing the issue - even if not fixing it on the root cause level? ...did you just address it symptomatically even though the person is feeling more energetic, happier, more joyous and loving, and of good cheer compared to before? And would fixing it symptomatically affect the spiritual development of the person? As in - could someone that is dependent on external medications still progress on the spiritual path to as high as a level as someone that does not have the need for any external substances to be functional? Thanks so much. It's always been a big puzzle for me to figure out - the relationship between Mind and physicality. Mostly when there is a hormone issue there is a deeper problem. To avoid disturbing the body further, it is better if possible to supply the body with the raw materials for making the required hormones. E.g. DHEA If only the symptoms are suppressed, the deeper problems will usually still be there, with attendant issues of low emotional energy. If the hormones trigger permanent good cheer, then the hormones may be the only issue. Generally suppressing the symptoms delays spiritual growth because the problems of a human are usually rooted in emotional and mental issues. The longer those issues exist the greater the deprivation and constraint of the physical body. The higher energies flow through the mental and through the emotional and through the etheric to finally energize (or not) the physical body. The physical body is an effect and not a cause. Note the various layers that usually separate the mental energy from the physical system. It is however common for the nature spirit of the lower mental body to oppress the nature spirit of the physical body (sacral chakra). This bypasses the energy flow structure and is a spirit to spirit relationship problem. The Flame exercise progressively deals with this
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Post by paul on Mar 10, 2022 9:09:28 GMT 9.5
> the Flame in the Heart method is essentially a top-down or Consciousness-Only approach that directly works with spirit so you basically 'jump' beyond the physicality aspects?
The schema of spirit, consciousness and physical body is too sparse.
There is a spectrum from Spirit to matter and the human, with suitable development can live and operate in any part of the spectrum. Of course the higher levels require the human to move into another kingdom, but the basics are present in the standard human format.
In any case consciousness really requires a physical brain. When out of the body there is awareness rather than consciousness - hence the difficulty in brain memory of dreams.
So the Flame exercise is to give Spirit easier access to the dense physical body - so that Spirit may express more fully. Any benefits to the human persona are incidental
>this approach works exactly for people that happen to have a karmic connection to these types of practices - perhaps people that are not from the old system?
The term karmic is a bit narrow here. In any case, provided the human is not existing within the aura of an entity opposed to the current manifestation of Spirit (approximated by the human concept of spiritual love) the Flame exercise is almost always proper and effective.
Where the human exists/operates within an entity working with the older manifestation of Spirit, that entity may oppose the human's use of the new manifestation of Spirit. This is a difficult situation and requires significant use of higher will to escape.
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Post by paul on Mar 10, 2022 9:15:59 GMT 9.5
>To the first step I would say I believe that Life has meaning, but because I don't understand the reason yet, I can't say "know" yet. Because I feel that knowing life has meaning implies a knowing of the actual meaning - as in the purpose.
Try not to let your mind edit the results of a non-mental experiment.
It is not necessary to know the meaning of Life. It is necessary to know that there is a meaning to Life. This is not a mental belief. It is an experiential knowing.
It occurs because the human has learned to control the energies of the 7 physical subplanes - and still the human exists and knows, therefore existing beyond the physical plane.
It is what exists beyond the physical that contains the meaning. The physical is an effect and not a cause
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Post by paul on Mar 10, 2022 9:22:25 GMT 9.5
>HWP talks about desire-and-feeling being the two parts of our souls that we need to unite. And that females are predominantly feeling-desire and men are predominantly desire-feeling - and it is only by awakening feeling throughout the entire body and freeing the body from its snare of physicality that we can break through the desire part.
HWP gives a simplistic analysis - perhaps suited to the reading public of the time. For example the sense of touch (feeling) can be experienced on every subplane - provided that part of the light body is coherent and functional.
In the Egyptian/Kabbalistic system there are 5 souls in a human. The middle soul corresponds with the Western/Christian concept. The souls more or less correspond to the lower 5 planes of the Cosmic Physical Plane.
If you read the 21 Steps you will see various layers of the emotional system and their common functions. There may be traumas stored on any and all of those subplanes.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 11, 2022 2:15:34 GMT 9.5
Mostly when there is a hormone issue there is a deeper problem. To avoid disturbing the body further, it is better if possible to supply the body with the raw materials for making the required hormones. E.g. DHEA If only the symptoms are suppressed, the deeper problems will usually still be there, with attendant issues of low emotional energy. If the hormones trigger permanent good cheer, then the hormones may be the only issue. Generally suppressing the symptoms delays spiritual growth because the problems of a human are usually rooted in emotional and mental issues. The longer those issues exist the greater the deprivation and constraint of the physical body. The higher energies flow through the mental and through the emotional and through the etheric to finally energize (or not) the physical body. The physical body is an effect and not a cause. Note the various layers that usually separate the mental energy from the physical system. It is however common for the nature spirit of the lower mental body to oppress the nature spirit of the physical body (sacral chakra). This bypasses the energy flow structure and is a spirit to spirit relationship problem. The Flame exercise progressively deals with this. Very interesting - but what if hormones are used to enhance rather than say mitigate problems? There are select individuals in the biohacking community that directly use hormones as a way of mitigating the natural decline of many hormones that occur with the natural aging process. So someone that was able to say do lots of exercise in their early twenties without feeling exhausted suddenly is unable to and wishes to return to such a state of being. If the higher energies flow through the mental to finally energize the physical body - would then most that have access to higher energy flows also have an excellent hormonal profile? Or is it not that simple? And is there a way to test for whether it is indeed the case that the nature spirit of the lower mental body is oppressing the nature spirit of the physical body? When I connect with the spirit in the sacral chakra and test different hormones I get a very powerful positive reaction compared to when I test just DHEA capsules. I wonder why that is.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 11, 2022 2:18:52 GMT 9.5
The schema of spirit, consciousness and physical body is too sparse. There is a spectrum from Spirit to matter and the human, with suitable development can live and operate in any part of the spectrum. Of course the higher levels require the human to move into another kingdom, but the basics are present in the standard human format. In any case consciousness really requires a physical brain. When out of the body there is awareness rather than consciousness - hence the difficulty in brain memory of dreams. So the Flame exercise is to give Spirit easier access to the dense physical body - so that Spirit may express more fully. Any benefits to the human persona are incidental Aha, that makes good sense. Is there a way to move out of the body? There are many descriptions of out of body experiences both in UFO abductions and in the experiences of psychedelics such as the use of Dimethyltryptamine (NN-DMT) or alternatively in deep states of samadhi where masters are said to 'leave the body'. Is this something that naturally happens once a certain level of energy flow happens or how does it happen? The term karmic is a bit narrow here. In any case, provided the human is not existing within the aura of an entity opposed to the current manifestation of Spirit (approximated by the human concept of spiritual love) the Flame exercise is almost always proper and effective. Where the human exists/operates within an entity working with the older manifestation of Spirit, that entity may oppose the human's use of the new manifestation of Spirit. This is a difficult situation and requires significant use of higher will to escape. Much clearer now, thank you.
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Post by paul on Mar 11, 2022 5:56:07 GMT 9.5
When I connect with the spirit in the sacral chakra and test different hormones I get a very powerful positive reaction compared to when I test just DHEA capsules. I wonder why that is. So do some other tests e.g. words on paper test. And if still positive, try some of the hormones - but everyday ask your sacral chakra spirit whether any should be taken on that day and what should be the dosage The hormones may only be relevant for a few months
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Post by paul on Mar 11, 2022 6:04:22 GMT 9.5
Is there a way to move out of the body? There are many descriptions of out of body experiences both in UFO abductions and in the experiences of psychedelics such as the use of Dimethyltryptamine (NN-DMT) or alternatively in deep states of samadhi where masters are said to 'leave the body'. Is this something that naturally happens once a certain level of energy flow happens or how does it happen? When you sleep you move out of the body. When you do the Flame you are partly out of the body - your light body expands well beyond the physical and interacts more with the higher planes. Astral projection is generally a distraction as it focuses on a dense level of existence Psychedelics can be of use but are rather dangerous. They can rip apart veils that shield the human from too early exposure to the lower inner planes. For some people that are too materialistic, such experiences can be life changing - or at least life accelerating - assuming of course that the experience is not too damaging (e.g. establishing adverse connections) and that the veils can be somewhat repaired so that the human can continue to operate within civilization. The out-of-body experience becomes largely irrelevant as the human learns to interact with inner plane intelligences during daily life
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 11, 2022 6:25:37 GMT 9.5
Wonderful to know. Thank you.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 11, 2022 6:26:04 GMT 9.5
When I connect with the spirit in the sacral chakra and test different hormones I get a very powerful positive reaction compared to when I test just DHEA capsules. I wonder why that is. So do some other tests e.g. words on paper test. And if still positive, try some of the hormones - but everyday ask your sacral chakra spirit whether any should be taken on that day and what should be the dosage The hormones may only be relevant for a few months Makes very good sense. Thank you for the clarification.
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Post by vayuwaters on Mar 16, 2022 5:55:29 GMT 9.5
>Where the human exists/operates within an entity working with the older manifestation of Spirit, that entity may oppose the human's use of the new manifestation of Spirit. This is a difficult situation and requires significant use of higher will to escape.
I would like to gain a deeper understanding on the spiritual science behind this. What constitutes an older manifestation of spirit? At what point does a new manifestation of spirit become 'old'? Why does for example working with denser forms of energy (Qigong) align you with an older manifestation of spirit? What is the difference between an initiate operating within an old manifestation of spirit and one operating within a new manifestation of spirit?
Do you have any reading material that could be helpful to gain a better understanding of this? I am quite new to Western esotericism and would like to learn more.
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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2022 7:52:00 GMT 9.5
The concept of Pralaya is important. Thus the Entity that uses a universe/galaxy/solarsystem as its body of manifestation/incarnation may choose to go out of incarnation. When this is done at a profound level (mahapralaya), Existence ceases and all that is left is Beingness a406.proboards.com/thread/1531/sphere-beingnessIn the case of this solar system, there has already been a local pralaya. Previously the Logos/Entity of this solar system was working to understand energy and intelligence. He was a god of intelligence. During that period He manifested many intelligences including human souls and suitable devas to manage the species etc. Then there was a solar systemic (local) pralaya and many intelligences were dissolved while some were held for the next incarnation of the solar logos when He took on the task of learning relationship. He is now working to be a god of love. So He brought over many groups of intelligences including groups of human souls formed when He was a god of intelligence, as well as some of the devas that managed those souls. Those souls brought over are often highly skilled in energy and intelligence and for example do very well in artistic areas. Many of those souls prefer to remain with what they are good at and stay within the aura of the entities that have nurtured them for so long. Some of the nurturing entities from the first solar system cling too hard to their flocks of souls. In this solar system new groups of human souls were formed to progress love - to the extent that humans can perceive/manifest love. These souls are often less experienced than the older group but are much more focused on right relationship as compared with efficient processes. It is better for our Logos that humans develop right relationship than are efficient in doing things. After the next local pralaya our Logos will be a god of will/intent. The human race needs to become united by right relationship in order to maintain coherence while being used as an instrument of divine will. If you want to try perceiving energies from the previous solar system, contemplate some photos of the Great Wall of China. The influence is quite strong in much of the Wall You may also detect in the Chinese political system an emphasis on efficiency rather than right relationship. Many of the human souls incarnated in that part of the world are from the previous solar system (notice how many Chinese excel in music in the West) - and many of those souls are doing their best to transition into the new energies. As a result there are religious and philosophical movements that bridge the old and new energies There are also reactionary groups that cling to the old objectives of managing energy and intelligence including in many of the martial arts.
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Post by vayuwaters on Mar 16, 2022 18:56:20 GMT 9.5
Wonderful! Makes good sense. Thanks for explaining.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 17, 2022 7:57:52 GMT 9.5
That's a very interesting explanation. But is that the reason that you don't want us using terms like lower dantien and microcosmic orbit and those sorts of things? Because they're attached to the prior Logos of Intelligence? Like an egregore is built around those words?
I don't understand why chakras are not similarly attached to said Logos in that case, because you have mentioned things like the 'sacral chakra', and that sort of thing, instead of saying lower dantien, although for me they are equal in place - even though various Daoists say that the chakras are very different than the dantiens. Examples:
Also is Lao Tzu also related to the old Logos of Intelligence?
Which pantheon of Gods made the shift and are now connected to the God of Love?
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Post by paul on Mar 17, 2022 12:47:16 GMT 9.5
> terms like lower dantien and microcosmic orbit and those sorts of things? Because they're attached to the prior Logos of Intelligence?
Quite so. It is time for most in human form to practice relationship
>I don't understand why chakras are not similarly attached to said Logos
Good question. Now we move our attention from the energy structure of the chakras to the intelligences that operate the chakras. When I survey local humans all those I look at have chakra entities formed under this current manifestations of the Logos and thereby operate more on relationships than energy
When I look at a friend (ex- martial arts) that has tried and failed with the Flame exercise, his:
- base chakra entity is of this solar system - sacral entity was more or less of this solar system when young but with martial arts training now runs off the Intelligence energy - solar plexus the same - heart chakra should have a higher deva but only has a nature spirit looking rather flat and connected to Intelligence - throat chakra to Intelligence - lower mental to Intelligence - higher mental (soul body) not very functional and connected to Intelligence
All not very good - particularly as he made a real effort to bring in the stream of white light from above
>Lao Tzu also related to the old Logos of Intelligence?
When I look at him he is connected to both - a transitional structure and perhaps intentionally so
>Which pantheon of Gods made the shift and are now connected to the God of Love?
Since the gods could interbreed with humans it is obvious that the gods are just another human species dealing with the human slaves
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
So pantheons are not of gods but better thought of as military occupation forces with the usual shortage of females
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Post by vayuwaters on Mar 17, 2022 17:55:04 GMT 9.5
> In this solar system new groups of human souls were formed to progress love - to the extent that humans can perceive/manifest love. These souls are often less experienced than the older group but are much more focused on right relationship as compared with efficient processes.
Anshinodharma and I are newer souls? Can that be a good thing in this case because of less complexities with historical human karma and a swifter alignment with the current Solar Logos?
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Post by paul on Mar 17, 2022 18:06:36 GMT 9.5
Neither of you comes into this category because you are posted into this solar system to help with right relationship.
What tests of this proposition can you devise?
Welcome to the righteous struggle against the oppression system. Fundamentally the struggle may be won already but there is much to clean up with humans and with the planet.
Also some positive alien groups keep saying "hurry up" to Earth humans as if there were a critical junction approaching
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 17, 2022 18:17:52 GMT 9.5
Since the gods could interbreed with humans it is obvious that the gods are just another human species dealing with the human slaves "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." So pantheons are not of gods but better thought of as military occupation forces with the usual shortage of females Does this apply to Buddhas and Bodhisattvas as well? Examples being Avalokiteśvara, Kṣitigarbha, Mañjuśrī Samantabhadra, Tara, Maitreya, Vajrasattva, Padmasambhāva, Sitātapatrā and so forth? Or what role do the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas play currently (if any)?
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Post by paul on Mar 18, 2022 17:00:28 GMT 9.5
There are far more profound beings than those that humans call gods. In this solar system, some humans, devas and other beings that achieve suitable alignment and functionality are promoted to key roles, some of which have human names. Thus the Cosmic Christ is a functional role in the solar system and various beings may be promoted into the role for a period as part of their development. There is a Buddha role in the solar system from which we have "the diamond light of the Buddha". That light is much more silvery than that of the Cosmic Christ. You may recall from the Seven Paths beyond the planet that some beings choose to remain with the planet for longer. That seems to be related to the Bodhisattvas. Some great beings are posted from outside the galaxy to this solar system to assist. Often these are not out of the cosmic human kingdom. So there exist more categories than Buddha and Bodhisattva. Some visitors can be called Avatar such as the Kalki Avatar. There are also references to the Avatar of Synthesis www.thepranichealers.com/avatar-of-synthesisThis universe seems to be paired with another and there is "student exchange" between the two, resulting some interesting placements on this planet including some that appeared in the Renaissance. On/in Earth the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas that we know of, work to facilitate the progress of humanity and related kingdoms. Humanity however is not the center of Existence and most great beings do not focus directly on humans.
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Post by vayuwaters on Mar 19, 2022 4:57:43 GMT 9.5
www.thepranichealers.com/first-initiation"According to Alice A. Bailey, at the first initiation one gains full control of the physical body. According to Benjamin Creme, there are 800,000 people at this level of initiation." How do you get to the first level of initiation? What kind of challenges and difficulties are most people faced with at this level?
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