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Post by paul on Mar 3, 2022 10:36:09 GMT 9.5
>I feel like crying the more the Light infuses me.
There is a lot of grief stored in the lungs. It is ok to let it out as tears but being energy it can be moved in various ways. Try giving it to a tree. Ask the tree first, but most trees will take it happily.
The solar plexus stores pain and anger. Without anger there is little energy available to claim freedom from spiritual oppression
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 3, 2022 17:10:23 GMT 9.5
>I feel like crying the more the Light infuses me. There is a lot of grief stored in the lungs. It is ok to let it out as tears but being energy it can be moved in various ways. Try giving it to a tree. Ask the tree first, but most trees will take it happily. The solar plexus stores pain and anger. Without anger there is little energy available to claim freedom from spiritual oppression I'll do that - thank you.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 4, 2022 7:32:47 GMT 9.5
So I did the Heart Flame exercise again and had my body flood with the Light first. I started conversing with the Octopus hook in the front of the pelvis - I was unsure what to ask it at first - then did the drawing on paper recommended and basically asked it if it was a parasite to which it "ate the paper" - which I took as affirmative. I then asked why it was there - and it basically explained to me I had allowed it to take my life force energy from there because I had been feeding it with pornographic masturbation during negative mindstates (fear, frustration, sadness, unfulfilled desires) -- I then asked it if I could feed it with something else - the love of my heart instead. And it gobbled it up and said "Yes, that'll do." and I fed it as much Light as I could after which it felt like its tentacles unhooked from the pelvic regions after which I felt a tug in my left leg and then a sudden influx of warmth in both my hands.
After that I looked at the tailbone octopus and started talking to that one and basically it said something related to the fear of dying - to which I was a bit perplexed as I said many people have fears of dying, so why are you on me specifically - which I was not able to get a clear read/answer to. I asked it if I had learned my lesson and it said yes and I started feeding it the Light from the heart - but I kinda feel like it was a more tricky entity and I am not sure whether it is still there (in hiding) as it said "Yes, that will do... for now".
Something interesting that happened after I flooded the body with Light after feeding both of those entities is that I felt zero need to inhale or exhale and I stayed in that state for maybe 3-4 minutes? There was no in-breath and no out-breath and everything was completely calm. After which I felt this energy/feeling that I feel when I walk outside after a thunderstorm has been there. Slight traces of what I imagine is a very Yang energy.
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Post by paul on Mar 4, 2022 9:53:36 GMT 9.5
You are doing very well - and learning to talk to every being you meet. >bit perplexed as I said many people have fears of dying The stronger the Flame in your heart, the less fear there is of dying (losing the physical body) as you are having experiences of being without that body >I am not sure whether it is still there (in hiding) as it said "Yes, that will do... for now". There are lesser entities hiding between the vertebrae of your tail >after feeding both of those entities is that I felt zero need to inhale or exhale and I stayed in that state for maybe 3-4 minutes? Entering the stillness in a profound way >after a thunderstorm The physical electricity of the lightning carries a yet higher energy. The physical electricity is the outer form. The phase and neutral spiral down the outside of the conductor while a more subtle electricity flows up the center www.academia.edu/11604136/ALUMINIUM_TUBULAR_BUSBARS_FOR_HV_SUBSTATIONS
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 4, 2022 22:01:36 GMT 9.5
The stronger the Flame in your heart, the less fear there is of dying (losing the physical body) as you are having experiences of being without that body But does that mean that all people with weak heart flames have octopuses or entities drawing on their life force around the tailbone areas? I was trying to understand why exactly I was targeted and not others. There are lesser entities hiding between the vertebrae of your tail Okay, I will search them out today. Entering the stillness in a profound way Very interesting. The physical electricity of the lightning carries a yet higher energy. The physical electricity is the outer form. The phase and neutral spiral down the outside of the conductor while a more subtle electricity flows up the center. Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by paul on Mar 5, 2022 11:49:03 GMT 9.5
>But does that mean that all people with weak heart flames have octopuses or entities drawing on their life force around the tailbone areas? It is rare to see humans without such parasites. Humans provide emotional nourishment to higher level adverse entities and those entities work to ensure that humans do not learn what humans really are, as they could then break free and be about their proper function >I was trying to understand why exactly I was targeted and not others. Humans that are particularly valuable to the planet get extra attention. a406.proboards.com/thread/2033/oppression-system
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 6, 2022 0:36:43 GMT 9.5
>It is rare to see humans without such parasites. Humans provide emotional nourishment to higher level adverse entities and those entities work to ensure that humans do not learn what humans really are, as they could then break free and be about their proper function
Why are the positive higher-level devas and other beings such as Buddhas and Bodhisattvas not powerful enough to remove these adverse entities so that humanity can stop being enslaved?
>Humans that are particularly valuable to the planet get extra attention.
Valuable to the planet in what way? Help this planet in what way?
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Post by paul on Mar 6, 2022 5:27:05 GMT 9.5
>Why are the positive higher-level devas and other beings such as Buddhas and Bodhisattvas not powerful enough to remove these adverse entities so that humanity can stop being enslaved? I think there are layers to this question - both in terms of how and why. The simplest answer is about free will needing to be exercised strongly to escape the Oppression System. There are also issues to do with solar systemic karma including displacement of various Logoi And then, in some respect the galactic progress has been inadequate. And there are other timelines that do better and worse in their experiments >Valuable to the planet in what way? The various kingdoms of the planet, including the human kingdom, get support in various forms including incarnation by beings from other star systems. An obvious example is the group that incarnated n Europe to create the Renaissance. www.britannica.com/topic/Renaissance-manEven your choice of name on this site indicates a sense of mission
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 7, 2022 2:17:31 GMT 9.5
Thank you for the elucidation.
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Post by vayuwaters on Mar 8, 2022 18:26:17 GMT 9.5
Is there an origin or historical context to The Flame in the Heart practice? Is it somehow related to teachings that Alice Bailey received from Djhwal Khul? If so any relevance to what is presented here: soul1.org/
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Post by paul on Mar 8, 2022 18:52:26 GMT 9.5
I am quite familiar with the DK material including via AAB. The Flame technique emerged in my consciousness - as did the cosmic reset technique. The Flame goes well beyond the soul to the source of Light for the individual. For most Earth humans the source is the planetary logos, and for some it is the solar logos and a few come from much further still. For genuine Earth humans it is perhaps better to focus on connection with the soul. For those posted in from outside the galaxy it is better to connect to their source so as to become more sensitive to their purpose The Flame appears in many traditions. Consider for example the flaming heart of Jesus I read the Rainbow Bridge material in the late 1970s and was not drawn to it. Now its time may be passed - with the human race moving on quite rapidly.
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Post by vayuwaters on Mar 9, 2022 6:01:40 GMT 9.5
Thank you for the clarification, that specific picture of Jesus came to mind when I first encountered the Flame technique. It reminds me of certain esoteric techniques I have encountered in different traditions. Earlier in the thread you mentioned this in regard to certain dense chi exercises. "The more important issue is that such exercises are under the patronage of a non-human entity from a past era. Most humans need to move on." Do a lot of traditional systems fall under this category as well? What is your understanding of for example Tibetan Buddhism in this regard? What does this mean for people following a traditional system? Are they giving their light away? It reminds me of a saint in India named Ramalinga Vallalar born 1823. soonyata.home.xs4all.nl/vallalar.htmHe worshipped Shiva at a very young age, but as he grew older he discarded all forms of deity worship and tantric practices for connecting directly to light. "We all come from the same Light source (Arut Perum Jothi, also called clear light). During the process of creation through the elements the physical body is formed. It is possible for us to reverse the process and make this physical body pure light, here and now, in this plane. We come from the source so we can be the source. When we express Love, Compassion, and Bliss we are all connected. We are One because those qualities are the qualities of all souls and also the qualities of the Absolute Eternal Grace Light. There is only one God which is the Absolute Eternal Light, no other form should be worshipped. There are no castes, no differences of sex...we are all equal. One should treat all life as he would treat his own life. One should not believe in scripture but gain his own understanding and knowledge. All religions, philosophies, and organizations are false, they are only hiding the truth. One should ask, “Do I accept death and aging?” If you do not accept this, then do something about it and follow my example."
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Post by paul on Mar 9, 2022 6:19:57 GMT 9.5
>Do a lot of traditional systems fall under this category as well? What is your understanding of for example Tibetan Buddhism in this regard?
There are many souls incarnated in Asian nations, that were formed as souls in the previous solar system. It is common that such humans like their old ways.
There are transitional forms of which Tibetan Buddhism is one. Transitional beliefs/practices allow easy transitions.
>What does this mean for people following a traditional system? Are they giving their light away?
They are not giving their light away - just using it in transitional ways
> We come from the source so we can be the source.
Exactly
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 9, 2022 18:06:20 GMT 9.5
In the Chinese energetic arts in Daoism they focus a lot on the etheric/physical changes that accompanies their practices.
This begs the question however. If physicality is not that important - and physical changes not important - why does the physical aspects then affect the energetics and also the other way around? For instance would someone that is completely energetically healthy (from a higher level) always also be super healthy physically? There are many examples of alleged masters with many health issues despite their high attainments in the Tibetan lineages. But in the Daoist lineages they focus so much on the body and claim that you cannot have health issues and at the same time have high attainments. This relates to their understanding of the creation of the Yang Shen nirmanakaya body:
What is your perspective on the above?
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Post by paul on Mar 9, 2022 18:57:34 GMT 9.5
In Western esoterics the physical body is an effect and not a cause - as there is nothing denser below it > why does the physical aspects then affect the energetics and also the other way around? Imagine a copper wire. If it is kinked and looped it will resist the electrical energy flowing through. If the wire is straight but a too high current put through, the wire will heat up and generate high resistance. >This physical body is the reward body. I take it that this was written by a man. Certainly in the West, women often/usually prize heart (love) function over physical function. So there are 3 primary requirements for first stage enlightenment: control. refinement and light alignment of the physical, emotional and mental bodies. Second stage enlightenment requires control of the heart (buddhic plane) and third stage requires control of the atmic (spiritual will) body. By that time physical immortality may be easily attainable - although not all adepts do so. Some may prefer a new precipitated body. Most move on and do not require a physical body. www.lucistrust.org/online_books/initiation_human_and_solar_obooks/chapter_xviii_the_seven_pathsThere are means of achieving physical immortality without reaching even first stage enlightenment, but I am not sure of the value. In the Western tradition, the initiate does not look for reward or a reward body. The initiate sees his/her role in the planet and cosmos and does that work, renouncing individual benefit. It is normal that a higher initiate has good health and a long life but that is not proof of status. While the initiate has resolved personal karma by first stage enlightenment, there is also group, national, planetary and solar systemic karma to be considered. Some initiates will take on aspects of that. Others play out public roles that may require disablement or death. The size of the Flame in the heart is a good measure of the progress of the being in human form. Obviously the Flame of individuals is rarely a matter for public discussion. The 21 steps, when understood and practiced provide another measure.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 9, 2022 20:03:35 GMT 9.5
That makes perfect sense. Wonderful, wonderful. Thank you for the answer.
Is it possible for one to ascertain where one is on the 21 step ladder? I assume I personally am at the 7.6-7.5 due to continued sexual desire which seems incredibly difficult to fully let go of. In fact I would say it is incredibly hard to resist the glamour of the outer shell of the female body as it pertains to its reaction within my own mind. Also I can see that 7.2. would be a huge issue for me as well as I am attached to beauty.
One thing that was broached by my former teacher in Buddhism (Paramananda) was the that the idea of beauty and clinging to it comes from not feeling bliss in one's own body and mind. According to him once one feels blissful and live "heaven inside" ala what Jesus spoke of - the outer attachments are simply 'burned away' as the bliss of jhana is 1000s of times that of sexual bliss.
I know some of the contemporary Buddhist 'masters' in this case Ajahn Brahm that speak of the same such as mentioned here:
What are your thoughts on this concept? And is there a relation between what we are doing with the heart flame method and entering samadhi/jhana or Shen Ming as described in Buddhist and Daoist thought - or is it not important to reach a sort of absorption state to move along the ladder (21 steps) to reach the first stage of enlightenment?
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Post by paul on Mar 9, 2022 20:58:20 GMT 9.5
>Is it possible for one to ascertain where one is on the 21 step ladder? Read through the typical challenges for each subplane. That should help. There are also test questions: Do you believe the Life has meaning or do you know that Life has meaning? A knower has learned to control all of the physical subplanes - although resonances from uncontrolled emotional subplanes may cause temporary issues The second test is: Do you react or respond? The female is more than a physical body, and higher energies, including cosmic, may radiate from and through suitable females. In addition, humans may find emotional trauma activated by the presence of suitable females. My ex said: Women have never left the Grail Castle! Here is an allegorical depiction of some female connections. >is there a relation between what we are doing with the heart flame method and entering samadhi/jhana The Flame connects far beyond human spirituality. The Divine Light drives the human system to refine and transcend. Increasingly the initiate does not focus on personal growth as that comes naturally from the work - with much of the change coming from right relationship with inner plane beings - including chakra beings. It is common in some traditions to work towards particular stages of spiritual growth. Provided that is done in a manner consistent with the objectives of this solar system's Logos, there is no fundamental problem with that. Of course some humans get fixated on their mental image of some state or process. Generally it is better to do the Flame and perhaps some other exercises e.g. forgiveness. A few humans are drawn to spiritual science and this requires much more technical expertise as is alluded to in the 21 steps thread. So, do the Flame, love yourself, love others, respect everyone and everything, and if you have particular issues, learn the relevant techniques of spiritual science. Do not stress about it.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 10, 2022 2:08:44 GMT 9.5
Imagine a copper wire. If it is kinked and looped it will resist the electrical energy flowing through. If the wire is straight but a too high current put through, the wire will heat up and generate high resistance. Apologies, but I wish to make sure I am understanding this point correctly. The body in this case is the copper wire. Let us say you have a hormonal issue - let's say the person has low thyroid function or had a brain injury (from external causes) that led to them having low levels of hormones. Would giving the body the hormones externally still 'kink' and 'loop' the wire even though you would be 'externally' fixing the issue - even if not fixing it on the root cause level? For instance - you can have someone with lots of symptoms - but then you change lifestyle components and at the same time give powerful medications and supplements - and then they suddenly do not have those symptoms. Did you fix the "kink and loops" in the copper wire or did you just address it symptomatically even though the person is feeling more energetic, happier, more joyous and loving, and of good cheer compared to before? And would fixing it symptomatically affect the spiritual development of the person? As in - could someone that is dependent on external medications still progress on the spiritual path to as high as a level as someone that does not have the need for any external substances to be functional? Thanks so much. It's always been a big puzzle for me to figure out - the relationship between Mind and physicality.
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 10, 2022 2:14:38 GMT 9.5
The reason I ask is because of the following discourse that we've had on other forums (https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/49733-jing-qi-shen-vs-shen-based-cultivation-systems/).
Is it correctly understood that the Flame in the Heart method is essentially a top-down or Consciousness-Only approach that direclty works with spirit so you basically 'jump' beyond the physicality aspects? And that this approach works exactly for people that happen to have a karmic connection to these types of practices - perhaps people that are not from the old system? So the 0.0000000001% of people on Earth at the moment? Here's an excerpt:
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Post by anshinodharma on Mar 10, 2022 2:51:53 GMT 9.5
A few humans are drawn to spiritual science and this requires much more technical expertise as is alluded to in the 21 steps thread. So, do the Flame, love yourself, love others, respect everyone and everything, and if you have particular issues, learn the relevant techniques of spiritual science. Do not stress about it. I find myself very drawn to the spiritual science. I find myself wanting to understand the mechanics of it all. But at the same time I also simply want to have the ability to help beings everywhere - and even if I do not understand the mechanics of it - that will be enough for it. I am more of a pragmatist, but want to understand the mechanics to help guide the actions, so to speak. >Is it possible for one to ascertain where one is on the 21 step ladder? Read through the typical challenges for each subplane. That should help. There are also test questions: Do you believe the Life has meaning or do you know that Life has meaning? A knower has learned to control all of the physical subplanes - although resonances from uncontrolled emotional subplanes may cause temporary issues The second test is: Do you react or respond? To the first step I would say I believe that Life has meaning, but because I don't understand the reason yet, I can't say "know" yet. Because I feel that knowing life has meaning implies a knowing of the actual meaning - as in the purpose. I feel that I understand the reason from an intuitive place - but I can't say I've reached the place where I've had an earth-shattering realization deep in my bones that **this is it** - which is what I assume is the knowing you are referring to. As for the second test - I would imagine this depends on levels. One can respond to certain things but there may be specific things that triggers one that then leads to reacting rather than responding. The female is more than a physical body, and higher energies, including cosmic, may radiate from and through suitable females. In addition, humans may find emotional trauma activated by the presence of suitable females. My ex said: Women have never left the Grail Castle! Interesting. HWP talks about desire-and-feeling being the two parts of our souls that we need to unite. And that females are predominantly feeling-desire and men are predominantly desire-feeling - and it is only by awakening feeling throughout the entire body and freeing the body from its snare of physicality that we can break through the desire part. The Flame connects far beyond human spirituality. The Divine Light drives the human system to refine and transcend. Increasingly the initiate does not focus on personal growth as that comes naturally from the work - with much of the change coming from right relationship with inner plane beings - including chakra beings. It is common in some traditions to work towards particular stages of spiritual growth. Provided that is done in a manner consistent with the objectives of this solar system's Logos, there is no fundamental problem with that. This is very powerful and I feel this is intuitively the case. I've always found that the magical view appealed more to me - working directly with the energies and entities that govern reality than going from the ground-up as expressed in the quote of the prior post talking about the bottom-up approach of working with density/physicality and etheric-body before then reaching the Shen or spirit level of reality and experience. Perhaps this is due to my own particular make-up and my karmic background, I am unsure. Thanks again for the discourse. Appreciate your insights and wisdom very very much.
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