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Post by Ursula Goodenough on Jun 21, 2013 18:40:32 GMT 9.5
“Human consensus does not generate reality. Were it able to do so, the Sun would have taken to orbiting the Earth some time ago.” - Ursula Goodenough.
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 22, 2013 0:05:37 GMT 9.5
“Human consensus does not generate reality. Were it able to do so, the Sun would have taken to orbiting the Earth some time ago.” - Ursula Goodenough. Nor have I ever seen thought power change lead into gold. However, we have all seen how thought power can change human beings. Perhaps that's how thought power works – at it's own level. But it doesn't work like magic: generate a thought and...zip... the physical changes. In my mind's eye, I see a thought form growing at its own level, seeking actuality in the physical. Once it finds a physical hook, as it were, the thought form appears in the physical as a concrete expression of the mental. Does the process take two elements: the sender (the thought form) and the receiver (a “seed” at the physical level)? Actually, I don't know what all that means. Then why bother writing it down at all? It's all part of that listening and watching found in another thread ( a406.proboards.com/thread/1012/listening-watching). My interpretation may be way off, but I'm convinced that there is meaning, if I can find it. |
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Post by Ashley Brilliant on Jun 22, 2013 17:32:46 GMT 9.5
"There is a whole world which I alone rule, but it ends at my fingertips." - Ashley Brilliant. |
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Post by LorrB on Jun 22, 2013 20:38:36 GMT 9.5
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Post by CENSORSHIP on Jun 24, 2013 18:31:39 GMT 9.5
How ironic. You bemoan my use of quotations, yet when I am original you censor it.
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 25, 2013 5:28:29 GMT 9.5
I choose that If there were a judgement day, I would hold much peace till then, but if God had a problem with Some kind souls, we (me myself and I, and every force I could draw down on) were going forestall eternity before I allowed them (kind souls) to be cast into darkness / made to suffer In one of the degrees the just punishment for a serious infraction was to have the hand cut off. But a Bro. interceded on his behalf, stating that extenuating circumstances led to the breaking of the law. What prompted this defense? I am led to believe that it was compassion and not a concern for justice. In today's society there is an alarming tendency to want to punish, to see that "justice is done, or "to get back." What has happened to the desire to rehabilitate the transgressor, to wish well to all beings? I feel these situations may be an opportunity for us to grow beyond the hurt and pain. Doesn't forgiveness take a greater effort than punishment. The greater the effort the greater the reward. I would rather rely on impersonal Karma to exact justice than consigning souls to outer darkness. |
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Post by LorrB on Jun 25, 2013 9:45:11 GMT 9.5
How ironic. You bemoan my use of quotations, yet when I am original you censor it. Only when you become aggressive and offensive. Not allowed on this forum. End of story. |
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Post by CENSORSHIP on Jun 25, 2013 18:24:36 GMT 9.5
Never allowing censorship, allows a person who swears profanely they should be able to speak profanity in front of young virgin females Of course what is being censored in these instances is not profanity but arguments for the application of reason and what are usually considered to be words of the wise. |
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Post by PERSONAL ATTACK on Jun 25, 2013 18:27:40 GMT 9.5
"There is a whole world which I alone rule, but it ends at my fingertips." - Ashley Brilliant. Ahhhh, how sad and limiting my condolences It was my response in kind which was deleted. |
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 25, 2013 20:02:36 GMT 9.5
Never allowing censorship, allows a person who swears profanely they should be able to speak profanity in front of young virgin females Of course what is being censored in these instances is not profanity but arguments for the application of reason and what are usually considered to be words of the wise. Foxfires, I'm afraid you're giving "young virgin females" less credit than they deserves. Having taught school for some years, I've found their language can be just as salty as their male counterparts. But that really is not the issue, is it? The retort to your remarks also seems to fall short of the mark. I don't think the administrators censor the thoughts but the manner in which those thoughts are expressed. When a poster joins us just looking for a fight, I would bar him at the door as well just to maintain the atmosphere of quiet inquiry. As an outsider, so to speak, I see some contributions to the forum not as honest inquiry but as an expression of hostility prompted by some imagined or real slight in the past. In some respects they remind me of my own reaction when I returned to the States and found that a faction had broken away from LDH and set up their own Federation here. It took some time to get over the loss of the Freemasonry I knew and loved. I covered my ignoble hatred for the theosophists with an excuse that I was on the side of truth, justice and the masonic way of life. I do wonder if this is not happening here. |
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Post by Allen Ginsberg on Jun 25, 2013 20:50:21 GMT 9.5
Perhaps your first impulse was not ignoble hatred but a noble love of the fraternity. How do you feel about the schism now? "First thought, best thought." - Allen Ginsberg. |
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 26, 2013 0:17:14 GMT 9.5
Perhaps your first impulse was not ignoble hatred but a noble love of the fraternity. How do you feel about the schism now? "First thought, best thought." - Allen Ginsberg. To answer your question, I am still very saddened by the break, but to use a modern expression, "It is what is." For some reason I felt a personal pain, which is now gone fortunately. I now wish the departing Brn well and trust they will find their own way to what they seek. Oh, it's tempting sometimes to try to analyze motives, but I'm not equipped to do that successfully and it's not good for me. I still have a great love for the Fraternity, which I hope will guide me and my Brothers in all our dealings. |
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Post by LorrB on Jun 26, 2013 8:47:25 GMT 9.5
Dear foxfires.. thank you for sharing your story with us all. I have to read what you write very carefully, and sometimes twice - but what you write pays off big time. Heart to heart.
After all your amazing unenviable experiences you now work to help others who are going thru similar stuff, this saves lives, literally, and stirs the spirit of those that need to move in different directions. Bravo.
It seems to me that some of our 'worst times' turn out to be some of our greatest gifts and opportunities.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 26, 2013 9:03:26 GMT 9.5
Schisms.. we had one of our lodges convert to the Eastern Order in recent times. All wonderful people. I can understand why they decided to change, and the change actually suited their collective outlook on life, death and the whole darned box and dice. Good luck to them. In the Masonic House there are many mansions  ? Its a shame that Grand Lodges of FREE-masonry can become so possessive at times. |
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Post by Passerby on Jun 26, 2013 13:16:09 GMT 9.5
Nice observation. But the seed falls on infertile ground too often. Such is life |
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Post by all masons on Jun 26, 2013 19:23:45 GMT 9.5
Its a shame that Grand Lodges of FREE-masonry can become so possessive at times. All masons ought to defend the Craft when its essential identity is threatened. |
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Post by LorrB on Jun 26, 2013 19:43:01 GMT 9.5
Its a shame that Grand Lodges of FREE-masonry can become so possessive at times. All masons ought to defend the Craft when its essential identity is threatened. Oh I have no problem with The Craft ... will defend it till I die. |
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Post by ??? on Jun 26, 2013 20:02:36 GMT 9.5
Its a shame that Grand Lodges of FREE-masonry can become so possessive at times. So possessive of what? |
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Post by LorrB on Jun 26, 2013 20:25:29 GMT 9.5
Members ....
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 26, 2013 21:57:43 GMT 9.5
As far as I can see, the Craft, as lofty as its ideals may be, has also succumbed to the wiles of Mammon. At first we were jealous of the building secrets, intent on keeping a monopoly on the money-making business of building churches. Then, contrary to usage, Grand Lodges abrogated to themselves the right of making and recognizing Masons, which had become big business. I expect this is a necessary evil in the process of creating an organization. It is unfortunate but a reality. So far the Craft has withstood the insistence on exclusivity, but with all the efforts notwithstanding, the Craft no longer is growing. It has for the most part become an old-man's club, a charitable society, but not a Lodge of Brothers. It is like attending a friend who is gravely ill. The appearance of clandestine or irregular Lodges may indeed promote recovery from a disease that has afflicted the Craft in recent times. It does seem as though the Old Guard is moving off into a more "secular" direction while clandestine groups are pulling the Craft back to the glory days. |
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