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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 21:31:49 GMT 9.5
I just prefer to believe those who were physically there and who are now suing their government over it than people who cant stomach believing credible men doing their job. And your link still believes the lighthouse cover up!
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Post by credulous on Jun 1, 2013 21:35:53 GMT 9.5
I just prefer to believe....[/quote] You just prefer to believe.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 21:38:12 GMT 9.5
I do - those who were there doing their job, over iirc a hundred trained experienced in aviation witnesses over 3 nights with lots of physical evidence as mentioned above, who are now suing their government - .....over....- someone who is nameless and troublesome on a forum.....
Skepticly speaking who is most likely to be correct?
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Post by Rendlesham on Jun 1, 2013 21:43:44 GMT 9.5
If it gets that far I look forward to this conspiracy theory being tested in court. Until then it is premature to say it is credible.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 21:50:08 GMT 9.5
If it gets that far I look forward to this conspiracy theory being tested in court. Until then it is premature to say it is credible. In a court of law would you as a general rule believe the testimony of a policeman? What about 100 policemen, Officers, including senior ones, of a nuclear airbase? If those same people said that they witnessed a murder would you believe them? What about a downed aircraft? What is so different from a landed ufo? Especially with so much physical evidence? Remember this was adjacent to 2 nuclear weapons airbases inthe height of the cold war. Hardly any suprise that cover stories of lighthouses etc were put out. While I accept that they might all be lying - why would they all lie? As we are talking about so many trained military officers, observers, security men, etc, who went as far as actually touching the craft, I give them the benefit of the doubt. Cant wait to read their book and like you see how it plays out in court - if the US government let it get that far without buying them off somehow. And even if they are lying what about the Cosford incident or others? Every year more and more ex military people are standing up and disclosing. If you havent read it Leslie Keens excent book UFOs really is worth a read - gives first hand account of dogfights etc. Are they all liars - military men and officers from across our globe from as far apart as Iran and South America? To me, their combined testimony weight more than a nameless skeptic.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 21:55:43 GMT 9.5
Which brings me back to the fact as stated earlier and my real point - it is scientificly possible to test for ufos. I explained how above. Not easy for an average scientist to do but still easily doable if a nuclear government was willing to let skeptical scientists tag along.
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Post by Rendlesham on Jun 1, 2013 21:56:23 GMT 9.5
In a court of law would you as a general rule believe the testimony of a policeman? What about 100 policemen, Officers, including senior ones, of a nuclear airbase? If it gets that far I look forward to this conspiracy theory being tested in court. Until then it is premature to say it is credible.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 21:58:33 GMT 9.5
So the words of such a large number of first hand witnesses and interactees all credible and highly trained in the military are just made up conspiracy theories? Since when has been serving your country and doing your job been a conspiracy theory!!!!! ;D
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 22:01:37 GMT 9.5
I just find it horrifying that so many trained credible aviation witnesses and interactees (they touched the craft remember) cant tell a physical object from a lighthouse beam ;D ;D
I mean how could the USAF hope to defend a nucler weapons base if all of its staff can't do that!!
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Post by Karl Popper on Jun 1, 2013 22:01:54 GMT 9.5
Which brings me back to the fact as stated earlier and my real point - it is scientificly possible to test for ufos. I explained how above. Not easy for an average scientist to do but still easily doable if a nuclear government was willing to let skeptical scientists tag along. You are saying it is both testable and falsifiable - Fine - Once it is tested and unless and until it is falsified it is credible. Until then it is just hot air.
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Post by source on Jun 1, 2013 22:03:44 GMT 9.5
So the words of such a large number of first hand witnesses and interactees all credible and highly trained in the military are just made up conspiracy theories? Since when has been serving your country and doing your job been a conspiracy theory!!!!! ;D Please provide a source which details these expert witnesses and what they say.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 22:04:47 GMT 9.5
Which brings me back to the fact as stated earlier and my real point - it is scientificly possible to test for ufos. I explained how above. Not easy for an average scientist to do but still easily doable if a nuclear government was willing to let skeptical scientists tag along. You are saying it is both testable and falsifiable - Fine - Once it is tested and unless and until it is falsified it is credible. Until then it is just hot air. Assuming of course that the reports on google that came out from the collapse of the Soviet Union are lies (which I admitthey might be). But if truthful it has already been repeatedly tested and proven. It just needs proper peer review. My point is that if the scientific community really wanted to test it they could- easily.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 22:05:08 GMT 9.5
So the words of such a large number of first hand witnesses and interactees all credible and highly trained in the military are just made up conspiracy theories? Since when has been serving your country and doing your job been a conspiracy theory!!!!! ;D Please provide a source which details these expert witnesses and what they say. I have above
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 22:06:50 GMT 9.5
Also you could talk to Jim penniston and John Burroghs directly they are very nice people - easy to find on facebook from the link I gave above.
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Post by hot air on Jun 1, 2013 22:07:03 GMT 9.5
My point is that if the scientific community really wanted to test it they could- easily. Until then it is just hot air.
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Post by source on Jun 1, 2013 22:10:55 GMT 9.5
Please provide a source which details these expert witnesses and what they say. I have above The one link you have given on this thread is far from specific. www.citizenhearing.org/
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Post by source on Jun 1, 2013 22:16:03 GMT 9.5
My apologies there was another in the same post but we are told "Sorry, this page isn't available." So it is effectively non-existent.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 22:19:15 GMT 9.5
Do I have to spoon feed you source? That is one of 2 links I gave, the other was a facebook page - though it hasnt shown up as a link, but copy and past it - it will take you to the public page of a closed group with 3000 members (and no I am not recommending you for membership). Anyhow the citizens page look to the tesimony download page you will find dozens of testimonies there from highly credible people. Download them, read them, then you will doubtedly find reasons to still call them liars. Some are careful in their words some are more explicit, but an interesting read nontheless.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 22:20:23 GMT 9.5
www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Justice-for-the-Bentwaters-81st-Security-Police-at-Rendlesham-Forest-1980/158308077540276?fref=ts I am looking at it now, it is the public page for the closed group
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 1, 2013 22:22:59 GMT 9.5
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