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Post by sammy on Feb 17, 2018 2:48:47 GMT 9.5
•••So perhaps even though they had the "sacred knowledge" humanity was not yet ready to receive it without corruption or distorting its ideals. ~~~ Will humanity ever be ready to receive all the sacred knowledge again? It is clear that there are certain things humanity chose to forget, due to past disasters. Will humanity ever be unified freely? I do think it will come to pass as well. When that is, might be up for debate.
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Post by fjrogers on Feb 26, 2018 15:25:45 GMT 9.5
Knowledge is cyclical, I think, not linear. The projection of knowledge and its recipients moves in cycles, as does life and death.
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2018 17:15:21 GMT 9.5
>Knowledge is cyclical, I think, not linear.
Hopefully a spiral so that progress can occur
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 10:15:10 GMT 9.5
Cyclical seems to be a common theme, if humans left the incubator, perhaps they are also able to break the cycle
There have been a few opportunities for Masonry to excel or take another step forward, humanity was in tune back in 2001, sensitive to change. That time period instead brought fear, and uncertainty amongst the masses
Perhaps allowing discoveries to flourish instead of being shadowed would help humanity gain knowledge.
Humanity has kept secrets from within, and these are bound to surface in one form or another.
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Post by paul on Feb 27, 2018 12:58:51 GMT 9.5
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Post by fjrogers on Mar 3, 2018 14:42:31 GMT 9.5
They certainly look interesting books. New Lands seems intriguing.
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Post by boreades on Jan 9, 2019 8:38:00 GMT 9.5
In the beginning there were the "7 Masons Who Make a Lodge Perfect" and the seven levels of the Liberal Arts. Both as metaphors appropriate for that time and age.
Now we have the seven chakras and seven levels of personality. As metaphors for raising energy of increasing frequency, both spiritually and psychologically.
We should consider the extent to which we extend our research into the hidden mysteries of nature and science. Depending on what we identify with or see as relevant. A small or diminished ego identifies with a diminished world and personal gain. A larger or fully-expanded ego identifies with all parts of the whole world and gain for all.
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Post by paul on Jan 9, 2019 9:02:23 GMT 9.5
>"7 Masons Who Make a Lodge Perfect"
I have been in plenty of lodges with 7 or more Masons, and none of those lodges was perfect. I rather suspect that the concept is the seven Masons as compared with any seven Masons.
If so, the seven Masons may be the same as the seven spirits before the throne of God in the Book of Revelation.
>consider the extent to which we extend our research into the hidden mysteries of nature and science.
Recently in lodge, the WM being absent, I was in the chair for a passing (second degree). As we had several new FCs, I took the opportunity to explain to them that in the passing they had been invited three times to study the hidden secrets of nature and science and that if they did not make real progress, in time they would become MMs by ritual only and not acquire the genuine secrets.
About 6 months later, it is perfectly clear that none of those brethren, all MMs, has attempted the work of the FC. It does not surprise me that they do not attend lodge so much.
Few people study the hidden mysteries in that metaphysical sense and few of those are Freemasons. It is the end of a cycle for Freemasonry.
Still there are many people that wish to understand real time mysteries such as ecosystems, even if only their garden, and perhaps learn about Earth energies and planetary influences and about speaking to plants/animals/machines and listening too.
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Post by elijah on Jan 9, 2019 17:52:41 GMT 9.5
1. Now we have the seven chakras and seven levels of personality. As metaphors for raising energy of increasing frequency, both spiritually and psychologically. 2.A small or diminished ego identifies with a diminished world and personal gain. A larger or fully-expanded ego identifies with all parts of the whole world and gain for all. 1. I can see how the micro and macrocosm fit into the scheme and pattern of 7 as it pertains to the human body..the 7 planets...and nature but i also see the idea of chakras becoming somewhat irrelevant going into this age..in my own theory it seems that threw one body many body's increase in experience beyond even a discernment for what can be considered personality....even if the seven is veiled in metaphor could there be more levels or even infinite chakras found outside of the body but still in connection with each individual experience... 2..Some say the meek shall inherit the earth...others have said crush your enemy's only the strong survive...ego is a interesting word imo....the scales of justice right and reason find a way to balance the unbalance ..it seems that personal gain for certain things is necessary..while gain for all worlds might be mandatory.
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Post by paul on Jan 9, 2019 20:44:10 GMT 9.5
>see the idea of chakras becoming somewhat irrelevant
In a properly functional non-enlightened human, each chakra is operated by a separate intelligence, usually a nature spirit.
In some cases of autism I have observed that several chakra entities are missing and when replacements are found the autistic child starts to develop more normally.
>personal gain for certain things is necessary
Personal gain is necessary for physical survival: food and shelter. It is a matter of finding a proper balance of light and dark at each stage of development.
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Post by boreades on Sept 10, 2020 10:55:20 GMT 9.5
The relevant intelligences are rarely human. Esoteric secrets tend to be about the functioning of Existence/Creation. Gardening is an excellent place to start.
Pelagius was a cornerstone of Gnostisism in Britain.
For the benefit of the garden, good gardeners also delve into the hidden mysteries of nature and science. A gardener has to regularly choose between good and evil, choosing between the healthy and unhealthy plants, and discarding the latter.
Good gardeners are as penitents to the glory of God. Often found on hands and knees, with dirt on their hands and faces, they humbly tend to the welbeing of what's in their care.
Our daily behaviour towards our neighbours, pets, livestock and plants should echo the great words of a great man, Gandhi. "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
Good gardeners are truthful to their plants and cultivate good plants, to help them endure. In this way, we save our own souls.
It's said that we live in the best of all possible worlds. Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin.
I have already given my children strict instructions on what to do with my body after I pop my gardening clogs. Don't waste good money on a miserable funeral. Take that money down the pub and buy a good few round of drinks in my memory. Just bury me in my garden, so that as I complete one life cycle, I start providing sustenance for more life cycles. In that way, part of me becomes immortal.
So mote it be.
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Post by paul on Sept 10, 2020 11:13:16 GMT 9.5
Welcome back Boreades from beyond the north
I rather like telepathic communication with plants. For example I will mentally offer a plant some fertilizer and usually will get a clear response as to whether it wants some.
Similarly plants are quite clear about their orientation when being replanted.
If the plants are happy, often a nature spirit will approach to see what is happening and I have noticed that some trees attract energy flows from particular stars.
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Post by boreades on Sept 11, 2020 6:07:32 GMT 9.5
Welcome back Boreades from beyond the north
Thank you Paul, it's nice to be back. Serendipitously, someone just sent me a link to something wonderfully relevant by Richard Feynham. He had such wonderful clarity and insight. This is a beautiful one – Trees come out of the air!
He explains how trees are stored sunlight. And (of course) as our Sun is just the nearest star, plants are made of star light.
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Post by paul on Sept 11, 2020 6:57:24 GMT 9.5
> plants are made of star light.
A tree near Forres, Scotland explained that to me once. It was midnight on New Years eve and rather cold of course. The tree offered to keep the wind off me, even though I was not on the down wind side.
It told me that it had been fed twice that night. It had rained and then the sky cleared and it was receiving star light that contained the patterns for its unfoldment.
In the Masonic lodge, the Immediate Past Master has that exact job - receiving patterns from the stars for the unfoldment of the lodge.
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Post by boreades on Sept 11, 2020 8:02:23 GMT 9.5
Just for a moment, jumping back to the O/P (If masonry were starting anew) ...
With video conferencing being so easy now (Zoom, Microsoft Teams, etc), I wonder if a Virtual Lodge is now viable? For the advancement of brethren (male and female) who would like to go beyond the Festive Board? I've no idea how that could be a "regular" lodge though.
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Post by paul on Sept 11, 2020 10:32:35 GMT 9.5
>if a Virtual Lodge is now viable That rather depends upon what the brethren think that Masonry is. If it is a goodwill social organization then Zoom is fine. If Masonry is to teach humans to manage the temple that extends from E to W, N to S and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens, then there are many skills to be learned and it is likely that a group light body should be formed - if only to maintain awareness of the temple 24/7. If the brethren have basic skills including rising on the planes then it is possible to do group meditations using the group light body to do the work, starting with a regular opening process then seeing who/what seeks/needs attention. There is some small start to this with various people leading meditations via streaming services. So far I have not seen one that attracted my attention as effective. >how that could be a "regular" lodge Regular means based on rules. Perhaps the GAOTU has His/Her own set of rules for such work. Perhaps Regulus could help. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RegulusThe first skill is effective and conscious connection to Spirit - see the Flame thread. The second skill is rising on the planes - see the 21 Steps thread. Right relationships need to be developed - inner and outer - this allows karma to be resolved more quickly (good and bad) and the group light body to be refined so that it can transmit extra-systemic energy. Suitable inner planes sponsors are required - individually and as a group. All genuine initiates already belong to such non-physical lodges - and they are certainly capable of operating an online lodge. The junior brethren might need to sharpen their skills to keep up.
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Post by frago on Sept 13, 2020 12:06:06 GMT 9.5
If the lodge is but a representation of our temple,
Would a VR Lodge not essentially be the same thing?
I could see work being really easy to do in VR Chat let alone a system built by masonic programmers to enable craftwork remotely...
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Post by paul on Sept 13, 2020 12:41:16 GMT 9.5
At a lodge some time ago, I was DC for an initiation. At the altar, taking the obligation, the candidate was under crossed wands. Now the crossing makes a portal and on this occasion I could see a strong flow of Light come through and descend on the candidate. (Sometimes body resistance to the Light flow makes the candidate break out in a sweat, even in air-conditioning)
Afterwards I asked the candidate if she felt differently now. She said she felt bigger. That was certainly true as her light body had expanded to accommodate the new energy.
Such events can occur in a VR lodge but the physical geometry is not present to assist so the brethren need to build the geometry out of mental substance and activate the necessary inner plane relationships.
This requires skills that are rare in Masonic lodges.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 6:51:18 GMT 9.5
>Knowledge is cyclical, I think, not linear. The projection of knowledge and its recipients moves in cycles, as does life and death. To forget, to know again more deeply
I think it is our nature to become complacent
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Post by paul on Dec 3, 2020 7:59:16 GMT 9.5
>I think it is our nature to become complacent
Human history seems to be full of war, so at least one side was not complacent.
The human mind is often subject to influences. Sometimes the influence is to ignore things that should be dealt with. Sometimes the influence is to stir up trouble.
Sometimes the influence is to discover. Dreams/visions are central to some of those most important scientific discoveries. For example the ring nature of the benzene molecule is said to have been discovered as a result of a vision of a snake biting its tail.
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