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Post by fjrogers on Aug 22, 2016 15:44:34 GMT 9.5
I imagine the reward for the perfection of humanity is greater power in higher realms.
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Post by paul on Aug 22, 2016 17:05:56 GMT 9.5
>I imagine the reward for the perfection of humanity is greater power in higher realms
That might well be the case for the spirits that inhabit human bodies, but the human race itself might be collateral damage in a greater plan
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 23, 2016 15:01:42 GMT 9.5
> That might well be the case for the spirits that inhabit human bodies, but the human race itself might be collateral damage in a greater plan
That could be one way of looking at it. What might such a greater plan be?
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Post by paul on Aug 23, 2016 15:14:31 GMT 9.5
If pain is for the opening of hearts, then quite a lot of Earth species might be sacrificed in achieving that objective.
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 24, 2016 10:22:20 GMT 9.5
That may be true. There's a lot to think about there. Changes are on the way for this planet and for humanity and its spiritual path.
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Post by paul on Jan 8, 2018 14:35:23 GMT 9.5
I have been asking some of the elder brethren whether the ritual is less powerful than when they joined Masonry. Almost all are quite clear that the ritual is less powerful.
In my view this loss of power is due to a withdrawal of support from on high.
Thus if Masonry is to restart it needs to do so with proper patronage.
I am reminded of an account of a traveler in Ireland asking a local how to get to Dublin. The local replies: If I were going to Dublin I would not start from here.
Similarly it seems that a regeneration of Masonry is not likely to start from current Masonry.
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 15, 2018 15:12:19 GMT 9.5
There's a concept there to start thinking about. I've known for some time that the inner circle has withdrawn its support in the mainstream order. We need to think carefully about the reasons for that.
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Post by paul on Jan 15, 2018 18:09:42 GMT 9.5
>We need to think carefully about the reasons for that.
It is the end of a cycle. There are some inner signs for a new cycle but I have yet to find any indication of an outer form.
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 18, 2018 14:52:27 GMT 9.5
It certainly is the end of a cycle, but as the new cycle gets underway I imagine the outer form will find its way in time.
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Post by sammy on Feb 14, 2018 6:51:52 GMT 9.5
I would assume "if things are progressing that is" the new outer form would be limits of human achievement. Or what could be achieved as a group, not as much a title but a destination or goal.
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Post by paul on Feb 14, 2018 7:29:40 GMT 9.5
>a destination or goal
I see it more in terms of the planetary function of humans - so that organizations such as Masonry should be training humans to be competent in a planetary context
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Post by sammy on Feb 14, 2018 10:10:25 GMT 9.5
>a destination or goal I see it more in terms of the planetary function of humans - so that organizations such as Masonry should be training humans to be competent in a planetary context I do agree with your view, and it is definitely going to be planetary. I was referring to what cycles of human perfection might mean. Like with the jungle considered to be a single living organism, humanity would have to be a whole. 1 for 1 across the board. So that no matter where you strike it would hurt the body the all the same. This is the neutral and negative sides as I see them though. The positives created in this field would be immense. Im saying immense but its like in a way how our brains cant comprehend the actual size of space. I cant see what we might achieve, but i do see its potential energy.
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Post by sammy on Feb 14, 2018 10:26:21 GMT 9.5
>a destination or goal I see it more in terms of the planetary function of humans - so that organizations such as Masonry should be training humans to be competent in a planetary context I do agree with your view, and it is definitely going to be planetary. I was referring to what cycles of human perfection might mean. Like with the jungle considered to be a single living organism, humanity would have to be a whole. 1 for 1 across the board. So that no matter where you strike it would hurt the body the all the same. This is the neutral and negative sides as I see them though. The positives created in this field would be immense. Im saying immense but its like in a way how our brains cant comprehend the actual size of space. I cant see what we might achieve, but i do see its potential energy. I kind of got sidetracked by those thoughts. It is my belief this was also seen by those who started masonic ideology. I have no concrete evidence or ways to prove this theory, but it was these exact thoughts that brought me to seek out masonic understandings.
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Post by paul on Feb 14, 2018 10:51:36 GMT 9.5
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Post by sammy on Feb 14, 2018 13:10:32 GMT 9.5
Very interesting link thanks for that. I dont recall ever reading about Shemshu. But it seems like something of that same kind of design, I think though there were many expressions of this in many cultures across the globe. So perhaps even though they had the "sacred knowledge" humanity was not yet ready to receive it without corruption or distorting its ideals. It would be like having something that could connect every human on Earth, giving it to them, then having those humans use it only for control or power. The lessons and teachings of our spirit though are following a type of honor code. What we get back from our astral path is determined by our inquiry into it. The true secrets would be only achievable by following the true paths to them, or in other words you cannot see what you dont understand. I was talking earlier about how humans cant comprehend the size of space. A massive thought or true secret is similar, it can be seen but not fully explainable or transferable in its true form. It would be like getting a photo flash of something, then your brain connected it to everything else involved all at once. leaving you with a understanding/picture but not a full video.
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Post by paul on Feb 14, 2018 13:31:43 GMT 9.5
> true secret is similar
Most esoteric secrets, to be operational, require right relationship with the relevant intelligences.
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Post by sammy on Feb 15, 2018 6:35:45 GMT 9.5
> true secret is similar Most esoteric secrets, to be operational, require right relationship with the relevant intelligences. Do you think unity or a single focus type of mindset would be one of those relevancies?
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Post by paul on Feb 15, 2018 7:22:23 GMT 9.5
The relevant intelligences are rarely human. Esoteric secrets tend to be about the functioning of Existence/Creation.
Gardening is an excellent place to start.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 12:24:50 GMT 9.5
•••So perhaps even though they had the "sacred knowledge" humanity was not yet ready to receive it without corruption or distorting its ideals. ~~~
Will humanity ever be ready to receive all the sacred knowledge again? It is clear that there are certain things humanity chose to forget, due to past disasters.
Will humanity ever be unified freely?
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Post by paul on Feb 15, 2018 14:59:30 GMT 9.5
>Will humanity ever be ready to receive all the sacred knowledge again?
In the distant past most humans were emotional rather than mental in their function. Gradually we are becoming mentally oriented and this supports a broader perspective and allows humans to move more consciously into their functions.
>Will humanity ever be unified freely?
Various allegedly alien sources indicate that their branches of humanity are well unified.
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