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Post by sammy on Jun 22, 2023 4:03:31 GMT 9.5
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 22, 2023 5:34:56 GMT 9.5
Paul Heyllers book is quite a read. As a former Minister of Defence for Canada, his words have weight. He has been interviewed on Russian TV about this.
The big negative iirc is that what he writes is heresay, ‘I have been told that’ etc. Apologies now if I am misremembering from years ago.
Still a Defence Minister, hard to beat.
As your link explained, the problems we have derive down to money addiction.
The really funny bit is that if we showed responsibility on Earth, there is the potential for far far more money to be made through intergalactic trade.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 22, 2023 5:51:59 GMT 9.5
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Post by sammy on Jun 22, 2023 13:08:52 GMT 9.5
Not usually a good idea for a prank.. not saying this is but it does happen. Silly people..
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Post by paul on Jun 22, 2023 13:15:20 GMT 9.5
> there is the potential for far far more money to be made through intergalactic trade.
It seems that humans are good at manufacturing and there is significant external trade by exchange - including in humans themselves.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 22, 2023 19:20:27 GMT 9.5
There was a time where I could not accept the possibility of such human trafficking, even though I know someone who believes it happens to them.
Now that I can look at things:
1. From a national perspective. 2 From a global perspective.
And
3. from a Galactic perspective.
I can see how it could work, though as yet I don’t have any evidence beyond testimony (which I don’t discount, it’s good enough for a court of law after all).
I wonder what would happen, if anything, if I forbade it at a higher level? (I really don’t like human trafficking, sexual, slave, or otherwise).
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Post by paul on Jun 22, 2023 19:39:11 GMT 9.5
It seems that the Nazis of WW2 used millions of slaves in underground factories and progressively transported large numbers to Antarctica in cooperation with reptilians.
The reptilians presumably facilitated intergalactic trade
Forbidding needs to be done in the right context - meeting various preconditions.
For example if the traded humans were part of solar systemic karma then the trade might continue until the karma was resolved
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 22, 2023 19:50:10 GMT 9.5
Forbidding needs to be done in the right context - meeting various preconditions. For example if the traded humans were part of solar systemic karma then the trade might continue until the karma was resolved And this is where you lose me Paul. Individual karma I can get. Family karma I am beginning to get. National karma I can relate to global events. But solar system karma currently baffles me.
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Post by paul on Jun 22, 2023 21:06:45 GMT 9.5
>solar system karma currently baffles me
If the Earth Mother is real then perhaps there is a similar entity for the solar system and another for the galaxy
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 22, 2023 22:51:59 GMT 9.5
Forbidding needs to be done in the right context - meeting various preconditions. Perhaps surprisingly I agree with this. If you assume that I was using my powers on high to direct a course of action (ie proactively and not simply reporting back for others to decide), I would want to be very sure that I had taken account of all perspectives at each level. You will need to forgive me here Paul, the more that I explore, that more that I am able to, and I am unsure of the correct word here, ‘harmonise’ my energies at quite a high level, and also at a more messenger level (but then we are talking Angels and I have trouble considering myself in such a role: even to me that is egotistic and arrogant, and quite possibly nuts), as well as my physical self down here. But it has to be said that I think that I could direct planetary affairs at such a level. Which I am somewhat uncomfortable with. I blame the Dexamethasone. But as a philosophic exercise it is intriguing.
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Post by sammy on Jun 22, 2023 22:52:24 GMT 9.5
Forbidding needs to be done in the right context - meeting various preconditions. For example if the traded humans were part of solar systemic karma then the trade might continue until the karma was resolved And this is where you lose me Paul. Individual karma I can get. Family karma I am beginning to get. National karma I can relate to global events. But solar system karma currently baffles me. Even at a basic function, humans have racked up quite a tab. As a species we are all accountable.
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Post by sammy on Jun 22, 2023 22:55:59 GMT 9.5
It seems that the Nazis of WW2 used millions of slaves in underground factories and progressively transported large numbers to Antarctica in cooperation with reptilians. The reptilians presumably facilitated intergalactic trade Forbidding needs to be done in the right context - meeting various preconditions. For example if the traded humans were part of solar systemic karma then the trade might continue until the karma was resolved I got a real "sins of the father" vibe from this..
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Post by sammy on Jun 22, 2023 22:59:44 GMT 9.5
Let's say the pathway to progress is protecting the sanctity of life and the pursuit of happiness, so harmony can be brought to all. As a species the speed of progress an a whole it makes snails look like F1 cars..
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 23, 2023 2:22:10 GMT 9.5
As a species the speed of progress an a whole it makes snails look like F1 cars.. There are a number of reasons for this Sammy. Some positive some not so much. 1. It’s good to have time to properly find your way. Self discovery. 2. But the instituions in life that you might reasonably expect to provide a guiding light, all too often seem steeped in darkness themselves. 3. And then you have the valuable impact of different cultures and nations each a bit different to consider. 4. Getting them to work together for, as Paul might put it ‘human unfoldment’ is somewhat of a challenge. Look at the problems in the UN. 5. And thats before you even consider the impact on and interaction with other species of life, here or elsewhere. So now we are at a crunch point. The news today has a story of how the Amazon could be gone in our generation. Yet we bicker and argue over money, whether for funding or control or making. Yet money is man made, originally to serve us by enabling trade, now it controls us tightly. And theirin lies our downfall. We have forgotten that we lived without money for a long time (I am not suggesting a return to that). Paul hopes that we can self evolve. I don’t think we can, in the time available to us, before Mother Nature forces us along. Hopefully, with help from above we will make it, without too much change, just more balance in our world at all levels. While everyone awaits a messiah, we could all be doing what needs to be done. Little things like being nice more (I fail on that one too often especially for some reason on phone calls). But what do I know.
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Post by sammy on Jun 23, 2023 22:57:40 GMT 9.5
As a species the speed of progress an a whole it makes snails look like F1 cars.. There are a number of reasons for this Sammy. Some positive some not so much. 1. It’s good to have time to properly find your way. Self discovery. 2. But the instituions in life that you might reasonably expect to provide a guiding light, all too often seem steeped in darkness themselves. 3. And then you have the valuable impact of different cultures and nations each a bit different to consider. 4. Getting them to work together for, as Paul might put it ‘human unfoldment’ is somewhat of a challenge. Look at the problems in the UN. 5. And thats before you even consider the impact on and interaction with other species of life, here or elsewhere. So now we are at a crunch point. The news today has a story of how the Amazon could be gone in our generation. Yet we bicker and argue over money, whether for funding or control or making. Yet money is man made, originally to serve us by enabling trade, now it controls us tightly. And theirin lies our downfall. We have forgotten that we lived without money for a long time (I am not suggesting a return to that). Paul hopes that we can self evolve. I don’t think we can, in the time available to us, before Mother Nature forces us along. Hopefully, with help from above we will make it, without too much change, just more balance in our world at all levels. While everyone awaits a messiah, we could all be doing what needs to be done. Little things like being nice more (I fail on that one too often especially for some reason on phone calls). But what do I know. You raise good points.. but the if the issue is accountability. Does one blame the few who perverted power? Or the majority who allow it to occur in the first place?
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 23, 2023 23:43:06 GMT 9.5
There are a number of reasons for this Sammy. Some positive some not so much. 1. It’s good to have time to properly find your way. Self discovery. 2. But the instituions in life that you might reasonably expect to provide a guiding light, all too often seem steeped in darkness themselves. 3. And then you have the valuable impact of different cultures and nations each a bit different to consider. 4. Getting them to work together for, as Paul might put it ‘human unfoldment’ is somewhat of a challenge. Look at the problems in the UN. 5. And thats before you even consider the impact on and interaction with other species of life, here or elsewhere. So now we are at a crunch point. The news today has a story of how the Amazon could be gone in our generation. Yet we bicker and argue over money, whether for funding or control or making. Yet money is man made, originally to serve us by enabling trade, now it controls us tightly. And theirin lies our downfall. We have forgotten that we lived without money for a long time (I am not suggesting a return to that). Paul hopes that we can self evolve. I don’t think we can, in the time available to us, before Mother Nature forces us along. Hopefully, with help from above we will make it, without too much change, just more balance in our world at all levels. While everyone awaits a messiah, we could all be doing what needs to be done. Little things like being nice more (I fail on that one too often especially for some reason on phone calls). But what do I know. You raise good points.. but the if the issue is accountability. Does one blame the few who perverted power? Or the majority who allow it to occur in the first place? I don’t blame anyone. It’s just human nature at work, and it does offer experiences. We just need to do better. As those stuck in darkness (eg make me money at all costs), and the apparent reality that those institutions charged with helping people find their way also seem to be steeped in darkness as well (from money to child abuse), we are in a bit of a pickle. Human nature just needs to become less addictive. We seem unable to do this ourselves (look as how global politics is playing out), so a helping hand from above is probably the best solution. While I will likely be dead by the time that happens, we might not even notice it happening, a genetic tweak here and a genetic tweak there, and in a generation or so, voilà. Though, given we can now use crispa cas9? To genetically tweek animals, if we use that against human evolution (eg to protect darkness powers) I rather think that Gods might take swifter action. Eg perhaps by releasing something from USOs (unidentified submarine objects, UFOs that have hidden underwater) into the global water chain. But obviously I could be wrong, after all I am only guessing.
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Post by sammy on Jun 24, 2023 1:22:47 GMT 9.5
You raise good points.. but the if the issue is accountability. Does one blame the few who perverted power? Or the majority who allow it to occur in the first place? I don’t blame anyone. It’s just human nature at work, and it does offer experiences. We just need to do better. As those stuck in darkness (eg make me money at all costs), and the apparent reality that those institutions charged with helping people find their way also seem to be steeped in darkness as well (from money to child abuse), we are in a bit of a pickle. Human nature just needs to become less addictive. We seem unable to do this ourselves (look as how global politics is playing out), so a helping hand from above is probably the best solution. While I will likely be dead by the time that happens, we might not even notice it happening, a genetic tweak here and a genetic tweak there, and in a generation or so, voilà. Though, given we can now use crispa cas9? To genetically tweek animals, if we use that against human evolution (eg to protect darkness powers) I rather think that Gods might take swifter action. Eg perhaps by releasing something from USOs (unidentified submarine objects, UFOs that have hidden underwater) into the global water chain. But obviously I could be wrong, after all I am only guessing. You captured my point exactly. The focus is progress toward harmony. Not the blame game.. We either will do what we need, or we won't. As a species we are all responsible for thar growth.. or lack thereof.
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