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Post by mgc on Jun 27, 2010 11:24:46 GMT 9.5
a plumb line is a weighted line that can be used to test if something is level..
a pendulum is a weighted line that can be used to test if something is true (using the subconsciousness (?))..
imo the pendulum is a physical representation of the inner "pendulum"..
a plumb line depends from an A-frame.. the A-frame imo stands for a well balanced body / mind / soul.. the plumb lines deviation can be observed by listening to your "gut"..
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Post by paul on Jun 27, 2010 14:10:00 GMT 9.5
One of the tricks in veiling Masonry is to switch between "a" and "the" without explanation. For example "a widow" may not be same as "the widow".
Similarly "a plumb line" may not be the same as "the plumb line".
Amos 7:8 8. Lord said: Behold I place a plumbline in the midst of My people Israel; I will no longer pardon them.
Here indeed is a working tool with a moral use.
Note however only one plumb line for all of his people. This may not be consistent with an interpretation as "gut instinct". In any case gut instinct is hardly so reliable that the possessor will never again be pardoned.
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Post by mgc on Jun 27, 2010 16:42:15 GMT 9.5
if i put 1 apple in every kids lunchbox, howmany apples is that? can we trust our conscience to flag everything it doesnt agree with?
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Post by paul on Jun 27, 2010 17:36:53 GMT 9.5
It is rather unlikely that conscience is the same as gut instinct.
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Post by mgc on Jun 27, 2010 19:51:55 GMT 9.5
the feeling is a result from your conscience being in ""doubt""..
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Post by LorrB on Jun 28, 2010 12:50:06 GMT 9.5
if i put 1 apple in every kids lunchbox, howmany apples is that? What about a spinal column in everyone? The spine is composed of: 33 bones 7 cervical vertebrae in the neck region. 12 thoracic vertebrae in the upper back region. 5 lumbar vertebrae in the lower back region. 5 sacral vertebrae are fused together to form the sacrum. 4 small coccygeal Is it just coincidence that during one's very first lodge meeting emphasis is placed of keeping the spine 'straight' - using the feet. Is it a coincidence that the spine is also kept straight when kneeling in prayer. Is it conincidence that the yoga position fpr meditation also keeps the spine straight. Kundalini, the Serpent (as in be ye wise as) power, is said to 'reside' in the sacrum. When raised it endows us with enhanced powers, consciousness etc. As the consciousness evolves it would make it almost impossible not to know right from wrong and thereby making us totally responsible for all we do. Maybe the spinal column can tap into a vertical energy ?
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Post by LorrB on Jun 28, 2010 12:52:52 GMT 9.5
Re Tree of Life, some say the trunk is the spine and the branches and twigs are the 144,000 nadis. "144,000" is the number saved in the bible isn't it?
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Post by paul on Jun 28, 2010 13:10:04 GMT 9.5
We have:
- Bread of Life - Tree of Life - Water of Life
I suspect that all 3 have historical physical bases as well as more subtle counterparts
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Post by LorrB on Jun 28, 2010 14:53:05 GMT 9.5
... and masonry has the corn and water. Could waterfalls be symbolic for force/energy being stepped down? Conversely one could think of a fountain or some action representing a fountain as being sybolic for force/energy rising up the the scale. R.Arch springs (unintentional ) to mind. While we are on falls of water... what about baptism...
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Post by paul on Jun 28, 2010 15:02:28 GMT 9.5
Here is the fall of water with the god Ea (Ja?)
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Post by mgc on Aug 13, 2010 23:13:18 GMT 9.5
if i put 1 apple in every kids lunchbox, howmany apples is that? What about a spinal column in everyone? The spine is composed of: 33 bones 7 cervical vertebrae in the neck region. 12 thoracic vertebrae in the upper back region. 5 lumbar vertebrae in the lower back region. 5 sacral vertebrae are fused together to form the sacrum. 4 small coccygeal Is it just coincidence that during one's very first lodge meeting emphasis is placed of keeping the spine 'straight' - using the feet. Is it a coincidence that the spine is also kept straight when kneeling in prayer. Is it conincidence that the yoga position fpr meditation also keeps the spine straight. Kundalini, the Serpent (as in be ye wise as) power, is said to 'reside' in the sacrum. When raised it endows us with enhanced powers, consciousness etc. As the consciousness evolves it would make it almost impossible not to know right from wrong and thereby making us totally responsible for all we do. Maybe the spinal column can tap into a vertical energy ? we already had a spinal column before that.. and also outside of israel..
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Post by LorrB on Aug 16, 2010 8:58:05 GMT 9.5
we already had a spinal column before that.. and also outside of israel.. Please tell... (and where did the word israel come from? Is-ra-el is probably coincidental but it catches my eye almost every time).
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Post by mgc on Aug 17, 2010 9:18:06 GMT 9.5
u mentioned yoga.. id argue it was known before israel became israel..
imo the plumbline isnt a spine.. i do suspect it to be spine-like, but more in the form of a set of rules that keeps one (society) upright.. (if 1 has developed a conscience)..
is rha eloim?
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Post by LorrB on Aug 17, 2010 9:54:52 GMT 9.5
I was thinking of the spine being the 'telegraph pole' through which we anchor that which is not seen. I know the truth is more expansive than that, but I do feel that our spine in quite important with spiritual work. Even health care workers know the importance of getting the spine vertical in the healing process, and we all know how hard it is to sleep sitting up. We lie flat to cut the power I suspect.
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Post by paul on Aug 17, 2010 10:00:16 GMT 9.5
Perhaps lying flat connects us to horizontal flows and standing upright connects us to vertical flows.
Hence the importance of head direction when sleeping
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Post by mgc on Aug 17, 2010 11:03:27 GMT 9.5
i know what u mean, but i dont think its related to the "A" plumbline as mentioned..
-having a spine doesnt guarantee u cant be "wrong" -the ppl of israel (and outside of israel) already had spines..
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Post by paul on Sept 10, 2010 14:28:09 GMT 9.5
(and where did the word israel come from? from Heb. yisra'el "he that striveth with God" (Gen. xxxii.28), symbolic proper name conferred on Jacob and extended to his descendants, from sara "he fought, contended" + El "God." Genesis 32 24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Here we see that El is humanoid and of similar size to Jacob. Jacob clearly knew something about El as he refused to release him unless he blessed Jacob. We also see that El was not averse to injuring Jacob - putting his thigh out of joint on purpose.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 13, 2010 9:34:46 GMT 9.5
-having a spine doesnt guarantee u cant be "wrong" -the ppl of israel (and outside of israel) already had spines.. It is not the spine that is important, it is only the symbol for those three energies which are at our core (centre). These energies/powers/forces are activated more fully as we evolve in a true moral/ethical sense. Two of the energies rise in a winding manner, the third by a straight and narrow path. When fully activated and reaching the crown, one can see the whole of the Great Plan, and, because of the cautious manner by which the force was raised, the person would have no desire to fall into error. These forces are actual three and one. These forces, when dormant, are often pictured as a coiled serpent. This serpent is considered as feminine, divorced or widowed. This force crowns kings. This force relays what is above in the heavens and what is below in the centre of the earth. (We are intermediaries of sorts).
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