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Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2010 10:21:49 GMT 9.5
How do we know what is real? Real adjective1. existing as fact, especially in nature or the universe, 'real animals'. 2. true, as distinct from apparent or imagined: 'real love' 3 not artificial or false: 'real diamonds' 'Real animals' if put under a powerful enough microscope it will disappear. 'Real love' is oftentimes confused with 'real need'. 'Real diamonds' were once 'real carbon'.
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2010 10:36:50 GMT 9.5
If we could use the working tools in a "moral" sense we could measure aspects of reality.
For example squareness (to what) can measure consistency with the Divine Plan
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Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2010 12:32:34 GMT 9.5
I don't follow you.. ?
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2010 14:21:42 GMT 9.5
Events and objects that are Real are anchored in the underlying flows of Creation. This anchoring may be tested in ways symbolised by the working tools.
For example, once the energy flow symbolised by the plumb line is discovered, it is possible to test the alignment of any being/relationship/event with the Divine Plan by drawing the plumb line close to the entity and watching any distortion in its direction.
More sophisticated tests can be devised to distinguish projected/constructed scenes or beings (holograms) from real situations. For example, how to test which part of a dream is real.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2010 14:45:06 GMT 9.5
Re discovering the energy flow symbolised by the plumb line - does one need a degree of clairvoyance to to discover this? I guess you would need to if watching for distortions was concerned. How would one do this without special ability?
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2010 15:09:18 GMT 9.5
I first discovered the plumb line in the midst of a group of bee hives in a forest. The energy around the hives was so thick it was like walking into soup and the plumb line came down into the cloud of light.
Clairvoyance is required but not to a particularly high skill level but it is important to be able to access the levels of vibration to which the plumb line descends.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2010 15:31:07 GMT 9.5
Coincidence about energy and beehives? We have the beehive on the collars? And bees and hives are used as masonic decoration.
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2010 18:50:04 GMT 9.5
No coincidence at all
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Post by mgc on Jun 25, 2010 0:49:35 GMT 9.5
is this plumbline what connects us to the collective? or is the plumbline a metaphor for an incorruptable guideline?
i see the plumbline as a copy of universal law for our conduct, much like DNA is a guideline for our physical development..
using it as a tool to me means listening to your gut (or rather the noticable physical reflection of your conscience occuring around that area in the form of "a feeling")
clairvoyance (to me) is completely unrelated to this gut feeling and uses different channels.. it feels more like receiving insight into a particular event (past, present or future), in a way prolly best described as "in a flash"..
from where this insight comes is a hard question but my best bet would be: "the collective"..
the next interesting question would be: "why?"; it seems information regarding future events has been presented to key players in order to alter the course of events in a particular timeline.. apparently the collective can see the future (or parts of it) and/or resides in a place where time is not linear (lets say, 4d).. as for the collectives goal, i can only speculate based on the info presented that it aims to protect and guide towards the betterment of mankind..
reality in most ppls minds has become everything tangible, measurable and "understood" by "science".. during the age of stupid, aka the dark ages, we (read western europe and where ever else the church went) were forced to move a lot of "real" stuff to the realm of fiction and fairy tales (often literally)..
i however believe the dark ages r comming to an end and we can all get real again..
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Post by paul on Jun 25, 2010 5:38:51 GMT 9.5
The energy line connecting us to the centre of our greater system is a plumb line by construction and appears therefore as perfectly vertical
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Post by LorrB on Jun 25, 2010 10:01:59 GMT 9.5
I have never thought about that 'gut feeling' (so common that everyone reading this will know what we are talking about, which is interesting in itself) having any connection to the masonic plumb line.
But now I think about it, I do tend to make decisions in the head, from the heart and intuitively from the solar plexis area. Just coincidence that these are related to the 'ancient penalties' ?? Are we cut off from further progress till we achieve a degree of mastery in physical life, emotional life, intellectual life etc etc ?
Is the plumb line connected to the silver cord?
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Post by LorrB on Jun 25, 2010 10:14:58 GMT 9.5
I posted this on the Grapevine thread... might be relevent here.. posting it again just in case you missed it.. "Hopi prophecy . . . suggests a way out of our present tragic dilemma. Long, long ago when the Third World became evil and sterile, preparations were made for mankind's Emergence to a new Fourth World. The people were told simply to keep open the kopavi at the crown of the head. Through this "open door" to the Creator they would receive guidance to the shore of their new world and then to their homeland during their fourfold contintental migrations.
So it was they were led to the voice of their guardian spirit by Kachinas (helping spirits), by a star - by all the voices, shapes and symbols through through which intuition speaks to our inner selves.
Today, says Hopi prophecy, mankind is ready for an Emergence to a new Fifth World. Once again we must strive to keep open the door. Through it we will hear a new voice, glimpse a new star to follow." (F Waters - Pumpkin Seed Point)
Crown chakra involved again (Solomon's crown is not headwear?) Keeping it open - a possible explanation for the G.. & R..S.. ? Guardian spirits - represented in lodges by the deacons? Masonic symbols and shapes speak to the inner selves (who live in the real world?) I think I remember something about one leading us from the unreal to the real ... and paths they know not ... So many questions, so many thoughts, Masonry certainly is not boring.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 25, 2010 10:18:02 GMT 9.5
PS ... check out the Grapevine thread mgc, someone else there shares your optimism for the future - I hope you are both right. TV programs being a reflection of society tell me we have a ways to go yet... it's all so horrible, violent, negative, even the more positive programs are mind numbing.
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Post by paul on Jun 25, 2010 10:45:00 GMT 9.5
.....'gut feeling' ....I do tend to make decisions in the head, from the heart and intuitively from the solar plexis area. ..... Is the plumb line connected to the silver cord? I suggest that the "gut feeling" is the reaction (or response) of the emotional entity that is anchored in the solar plexus. Usually that is regarded as instinctive. Intuition is commonly seen as related to heart knowledge - sometimes sufficiently complex that it requires years of further growth to articulate in a conceptual framework. In my experience the plumb line is from the centre of our greater stellar system. The silver cord usually refers to a localised energy connection of particular human-related intelligences to the human etheric body.
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Post by mgc on Jun 25, 2010 14:42:43 GMT 9.5
perhaps so, but is it used to measure? r u sure u have the "right" line here? (lol)
but u do see the plumbline relates to moral rectitude? and u know it takes a conscience to be upright? what does it feel like when your conscience is "upset" ?
imo all decisions r ultimately made by the brain.. most decisions r not very interesting and we dont even have to (consciously) think about making them, but once in a while a decision comes along which will require u to way the pro's and cons.. ppl who learn to listen to their guts to test how the decision holds up against their own moral standards, usually make the "right" decision..
lol idk.. i think we got our lines tangled..
it is bound to happen.. will just take time..
where does this emotional entity / instinct come from?
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Post by paul on Jun 25, 2010 14:56:27 GMT 9.5
>where does this emotional entity / instinct come from?
Each chakra has an entity attached to it prior to physical birth. The entities come more closely attached after birth.
If the entity goes into shock (post-traumatic stress disorder) then it and the chakra and the related biological functions are disturbed.
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Post by mgc on Jun 25, 2010 16:10:14 GMT 9.5
would such an entity go into shock if it encountered something it doesnt perceive as in agreement with itself?
could we then speak of a "device" that can be used to test a decision?
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Post by paul on Jun 25, 2010 18:12:01 GMT 9.5
The mental entity may well go into shock if the world turned out too different to a lifetime of effort.
Such a device is a pendulum.
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Post by mgc on Jun 25, 2010 23:27:25 GMT 9.5
this device is internal.. isnt a pendulum essentially a plumbline?
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Post by paul on Jun 26, 2010 6:46:01 GMT 9.5
>isnt a pendulum essentially a plumbline?
"the plumb line" is a metaphysical structure veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbol.
The pendulum however is literal and physical.
You may however ask yourself: from what does "the plumb line" depend?
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