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Post by sammy on Jul 29, 2020 6:12:41 GMT 9.5
Most are used to seeing "would" here... but I ran across a statement that raised a question.
It is said that when John baptized Jesus. He could see the sin being washed off of him.
A visible reaction to baptism would imply he had great sin to be washed of. Freeing you of its weight.
So was Jesus without sin, or born again and no longer a sinner?
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Post by paul on Jul 29, 2020 6:55:41 GMT 9.5
Is it odd that Jesus baptised no one, but people have to be baptised to be Christians? Are they really joining John's group?
Why did Jesus the only son of God need a human to make him holy? The theology seems very dodgy.
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Post by sammy on Jul 29, 2020 10:03:55 GMT 9.5
Is it odd that Jesus baptised no one, but people have to be baptised to be Christians? Are they really joining John's group? Why did Jesus the only son of God need a human to make him holy? The theology seems very dodgy. This part of the story allways fell apart in logic for me too. Something amiss.. I'll look more into other theories and get back to ya all.
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Post by sammy on Aug 1, 2020 1:42:11 GMT 9.5
Is it odd that Jesus baptised no one, but people have to be baptised to be Christians? Are they really joining John's group? Why did Jesus the only son of God need a human to make him holy? The theology seems very dodgy. This part of the story allways fell apart in logic for me too. Something amiss.. I'll look more into other theories and get back to ya all. It seems John had his fingers in many pots, almost every major religion held him as a prophet of some kind. It is not discerned his intentions, but appears to be responsible for bringing followers of moses into christianity and other western religions. Also held as a prophet in Islam. He was considered a bridge from the old to new testaments.
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Post by paul on Aug 1, 2020 7:48:24 GMT 9.5
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Post by sammy on Aug 3, 2020 23:00:06 GMT 9.5
Is it odd that Jesus baptised no one, but people have to be baptised to be Christians? Are they really joining John's group? Why did Jesus the only son of God need a human to make him holy? The theology seems very dodgy. pretty sure the dudes on cross beside Jesus Were NOT Baptized & Jesus - Story reads them dudes went to paradise with him Very good point fox! It would seem an act of salvation is more important then the process itself. Finishing the thought in a relative sense.
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Post by paul on Aug 4, 2020 11:14:29 GMT 9.5
>Story reads them dudes went to paradise with him
It was fortunate that one of the evangelists was present to record the conversation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 11:55:46 GMT 9.5
>It is said that when John baptized Jesus. He could see the sin being washed off of him. A visible reaction to baptism would imply he had great sin to be washed of. Freeing you of its weight.
>he could "see"(3rd eye reference) the sin being washed off(the removal of darkness bringing forth "light" (proof of enlightenment perhaps?).
Once again I find the word baptize(or baptism) to be a reference to the word teaching/training. John assisted in the cleansing(repentance maybe) and the assisting of Jesus in opening of his 3rd eye. This is definitely worth mentioning tin scriptures if you ask me. a very valid point to explain that "all men are born into sin and must pay the already given price for this sin. Thank the Wookie! hahaha
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Post by paul on Aug 31, 2020 12:45:52 GMT 9.5
Psalm 82 YLT I have said, ‘Gods ye [are], And sons of the Most High — all of you, But as man ye die
No reference to being saved!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 21:21:10 GMT 9.5
Psalm 82 YLT I have said, ‘Gods ye [are], And sons of the Most High — all of you, But as man ye die No reference to being saved! >No reference to being saved! I find that knowledge an automatic given(from common sense). I find the psalms comforting at times. Sometimes I find them seemingly out of place or perhaps even out of context as if jumbled. (More time) The term saved is not used loosely throughout the bible as far as I have read. I find it more of a self understanding term. The simplicity of the entire "Saved" context is that you find enlightenment and forgiveness(cleansing the soul/holy spirit entering) and in doing so saves you from (hopefully) having to endure the very same pains and miseries that we all have to endure on this confusion ball we call home all over again. Something different next time maybe? A little more difficult or easier life/mission/journey?
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Post by sammy on Sept 1, 2020 6:11:14 GMT 9.5
Psalm 82 YLT I have said, ‘Gods ye [are], And sons of the Most High — all of you, But as man ye die No reference to being saved! >No reference to being saved! I find that knowledge an automatic given(from common sense). I find the psalms comforting at times. Sometimes I find them seemingly out of place or perhaps even out of context as if jumbled. (More time) The term saved is not used loosely throughout the bible as far as I have read. I find it more of a self understanding term. The simplicity of the entire "Saved" context is that you find enlightenment and forgiveness(cleansing the soul/holy spirit entering) and in doing so saves you from (hopefully) having to endure the very same pains and miseries that we all have to endure on this confusion ball we call home all over again. Something different next time maybe? A little more difficult or easier life/mission/journey? I have crossed this line of thought. It may also be in the sense of a computer or atleast more how I see it. The collective memory/existence of human consciousness would be like a hard drive. To be included in the hard drive you must be "saved". This less of a personal perspective and becomes more a pubicly generalized one. The scriptures seem to me to support this outlook, with Jesus concluding through his sacrifice we are all saved.
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2020 6:31:52 GMT 9.5
The Psalm 82 quote does not refer to Earth humans but to their near relatives - the family of the Most High that on this planet were no longer immortal and were dying like men do.
After they went on strike they were provided with the food of life and the water of life to maintain their immortality under this aging sun.
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Post by sammy on Sept 1, 2020 8:58:14 GMT 9.5
The Psalm 82 quote does not refer to Earth humans but to their near relatives - the family of the Most High that on this planet were no longer immortal and were dying like men do. After they went on strike they were provided with the food of life and the water of life to maintain their immortality under this aging sun. Weird culmination of thought entered here.. Let's say these "nearby relatives" were responsible for creating humans or are responsible for them for some reason. In a way in charge of our souls salvation and guiding us to it. So we are a point inside their circle. Then let's say the same thing is how the relatives were created. Making a bigger older circle around that. Essentially like a tree adding a ring every "cycle". To which I conclude what if humans create machine life or something of the sort? Do we then become the "gods" and just the latest ring around for them to grow in? Signing our death warrant so to speak. Or can the point be something new? Something the trees rings have never seen before and perhaps thought impossible. I feel a choice here... is it.. happiness with self or the reverse controlling it from others?
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2020 9:49:57 GMT 9.5
>Let's say these "nearby relatives" were responsible for creating humans or are responsible for them for some reason Earth humans are a hybrid. >In a way in charge of our souls salvation Pretty unlikely. The ethics of many of the gods were low by modern standards. The over-soul chooses suitable forms for incarnation. (Imprecise statement) The over-soul has purpose/s for its choices therefore Earth humans may have purposes/functions that may well be quite beyond those of the original "gods" >Do we then become the "gods" The "gods" have not all gone. The remainder keep their heads down as Earth humans have learned/developed/traded some powerful technology. In the Kabbalah we learn that the Tree of Life fits quite well on the human body. This gives humans the potential of accessing a very wide range of Existence and even the underlying Beingness. a406.proboards.com/thread/1531/sphere-beingnessAs a result graduate humans usually depart this planet with a choice of "paths" a406.proboards.com/thread/1662/spiritual-paths-planet
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Post by sammy on Sept 1, 2020 10:05:18 GMT 9.5
>Let's say these "nearby relatives" were responsible for creating humans or are responsible for them for some reason Earth humans are a hybrid. >In a way in charge of our souls salvation Pretty unlikely. The ethics of many of the gods were low by modern standards. The over-soul chooses suitable forms for incarnation. (Imprecise statement) The over-soul has purpose/s for its choices therefore Earth humans may have purposes/functions that may well be quite beyond that of the original "gods" >Do we then become the "gods" The "gods" have not all gone. The remainder keep their heads down as Earth humans have learned/developed/traded some powerful technology. In the Kabbalah we learn that the Tree of Life fits quite well on the human body. This gives humans the potential of accessing a very wide range of Existence and even the underlying Beingness. a406.proboards.com/thread/1531/sphere-beingnessAs a result graduate humans usually depart this planet with a choice of "paths" a406.proboards.com/thread/1662/spiritual-paths-planetThe "god" rings in this context would make them so. The rings don't go away in this context either just pushed out to make way for the new. As a current time perspective we would have the wide breadth of existence.. until we don't.. becoming another ring on the tree. The energy or knowledge left behind to guide the way.
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2020 10:14:20 GMT 9.5
> rings don't go away in this context either just pushed out to make way for the new.
The difficulty with physical analogy is that the physical world is very low dimensional and therefore analogies may miss transcendent dimensions and trans-temporal dynamics
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Post by sammy on Sept 1, 2020 12:58:51 GMT 9.5
> rings don't go away in this context either just pushed out to make way for the new. The difficulty with physical analogy is that the physical world is very low dimensional and therefore analogies may miss transcendent dimensions and trans-temporal dynamics I would agree with that. What kind of existence would you have though with no physical attachments to say so? At the very least imprinting memory onto matter in New ways would become far more difficult if not impossible. Possessions?
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2020 14:36:13 GMT 9.5
>What kind of existence would you have though with no physical attachments
It is said that of all the parallel time paths on which we exist, only this one has a physical form.
For example, last night I had a parallel time line dream. The house next door to where I was brought up had been sold and the new owners had put in a second parallel drive so that they could bring in a truck with their possessions. In the physical world there is not room for a second drive.
As I was looking at that, talking to my mother (deceased on this time line), a woman in her 30s drove up and started talking to us. She looked familiar and said she was my cousin Christine (last seen in the physical world age 15). I looked closely at her, comparing her with Christine in this time line. I could recognize aspects of the face. It was clearly different (narrower and more prominent nose) but still a genetically related face.
I did not examine the truck and car, but neither seemed to be as sophisticated as our current vehicles
So there I was on a closely related time line with some relatives also on this time line. I have those parallel dreams quite often.
In computer terms this is parallel processing. It helps the souls within humans to accelerate learning, passing data between the time line personalities during dreams and visions.
It is said that the soul in humans can have up to 12 personalities at once.
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Post by sammy on Sept 2, 2020 3:40:49 GMT 9.5
>What kind of existence would you have though with no physical attachments It is said that of all the parallel time paths on which we exist, only this one has a physical form. For example, last night I had a parallel time line dream. The house next door to where I was brought up had been sold and the new owners had put in a second parallel drive so that they could bring in a truck with their possessions. In the physical world there is not room for a second drive. As I was looking at that, talking to my mother (deceased on this time line), a woman in her 30s drove up and started talking to us. She looked familiar and said she was my cousin Christine (last seen in the physical world age 15). I looked closely at her, comparing her with Christine in this time line. I could recognize aspects of the face. It was clearly different (narrower and more prominent nose) but still a genetically related face. I did not examine the truck and car, but neither seemed to be as sophisticated as our current vehicles So there I was on a closely related time line with some relatives also on this time line. I have those parallel dreams quite often. In computer terms this is parallel processing. It helps the souls within humans to accelerate learning, passing data between the time line personalities during dreams and visions. It is said that the soul in humans can have up to 12 personalities at once. How would you know the house next door if it never took a physical form? How would you recognize your mother and cousin if the body never existed to clarify as such? Physical reality and the memory of it are what produce existence. The energy feeding into that are what keeps it moving or in a sense alive. You may favor the spirit/energy side but it does not discount the side of matter/mass.
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Post by paul on Sept 2, 2020 8:44:45 GMT 9.5
>How would you know the house next door if it never took a physical form? Do astral beings have astral homes? What astral forms might be used? >Physical reality and the memory of it are what produce existence. Are there energy patterns around which the physical matter condenses? Here is a Kirlian photo of a cut leaf. Notice the energy field is intact while part of the leaf is missing
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