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Post by frago on Jun 21, 2020 19:41:03 GMT 9.5
Thoth & Enoch have enthralled me to no end.
I've compiled quite a bit of research but I'm curious to see what you brothers have found on Thoth.
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Post by paul on Jun 22, 2020 5:49:56 GMT 9.5
I seem to recall that in Britain Toth was called Tot en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toutatis#TOT_finger_ringsAnd there are place names such as Totham and Teddington The Tet pillar was also called Djed - no doubt the same name just a different phonic spelling Why was Tot so popular in Britain? Toth was an Egyptian god while Enoch was taken by one of the gods. Do you have some data that points to a connection?
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Post by valent on Jun 28, 2020 13:33:30 GMT 9.5
Thoth & Enoch have enthralled me to no end. I've compiled quite a bit of research but I'm curious to see what you brothers have found on Thoth. Are you referring to the original pillars? Also to the land of Seir? In the 19th century a Mason(H Bromwell) wanted to establish a new Lodge that in his mind would restore lost Masonic knowledge, one name he incorporated often was Enoch.
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Post by paul on Jun 28, 2020 13:47:49 GMT 9.5
JPS Tanakh Genesis 5 "And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah. 22And Enoch walked with God after he begot Methuselah three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters. 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years. 24And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him. " This is curious that Enoch stayed 365 years on Earth. Is there another message in the 365? And the chapter goes on: "And Methuselah lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begot Lamech. 26And Methuselah lived after he begot Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begot sons and daughters. 27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years; and he died. " It seems that Enoch was in his prime when taken away. Here we have Thoth as "Lord of the great gods" a "god of eternity". Thoth seems to be in charge, unlike Enoch. "Praised be thee, Lord of the great gods, Possessor of the secrets that are in heaven and on earth, Good god of eternity of old, Who gave (us) the language and the scripture, Who has the houses pass by inheritance, Who founds the temples, Who sees that the gods remain within the limits of their competence, Each guild fulfils its obligations, The countries know their frontiers, And the fields their appurtenances." www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/thoth.htmlWe see Thoth as instructing in geometry (earth measurement) and managing the competence of lesser gods and in the secrets of heaven. Being a god of eternity is somewhat reminiscent of the Egyptian An: the god of millions of years. Perhaps they are the same species.
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Post by paul on Jun 29, 2020 6:20:25 GMT 9.5
>Such a society would be able to harnesses all the energy of its star This categorization seems to me to be rather narrow with: - a winner take all approach - a materialistic concept of energy - excluding the life force - universes not considered as intelligent entities with their own purposes for existing I rather like Shikasta with the concept of a steady state empire, unlike human civilizations that expand until they fail. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikasta
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Post by paul on Jun 30, 2020 9:00:39 GMT 9.5
The whole book is excellent. But if you want the short version: the better empire is a steady state empire.
Shikasta is Earth
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Post by frago on Jul 2, 2020 5:16:02 GMT 9.5
I seem to recall that in Britain Toth was called Tot en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toutatis#TOT_finger_ringsAnd there are place names such as Totham and Teddington The Tet pillar was also called Djed - no doubt the same name just a different phonic spelling Why was Tot so popular in Britain? Toth was an Egyptian god while Enoch was taken by one of the gods. Do you have some data that points to a connection? I don't have a connection I can trace/link but everytime I run into the story of Thoth Enoch isn't to far away. From what I've gathered the nobles of the past in britain had an extremely specific interest in egyptian mythology, seeing as most of their bloodlines can be traced back centuries I can only assume they're looking for something...
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Post by frago on Jul 2, 2020 5:18:57 GMT 9.5
american bibles translated from different sourses than some other bibles brits read more as past time descriptions of how to drink tea and not use flouride on teeth But read Jesus speak to mother With Woman what do u want from me statement so what might be helpful to you might be un helpful to me gods .,. According to the biblical account, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives were described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Edom, Sidon and of the Hittites 1 Kings 11:4 As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the Lord his God, as the heart of David his father had been. 5 He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molek the detestable god of the Ammonites. 6 So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the Lord; he did not follow the Lord completely, as David his father had done. eve - mother of all living today how many females on planet about / estimated 4 billion doing math .,. considering MOTHERS Of All Living .,. Royally piss off an female Busy body Where she is Justified got bunch of em circling you in mode of describing how awful u are and if u start to believe them Proverbs 21:9 â–º It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a contentious woman, and a house in common many females Need to Instruct or sense of im great singer - great cook .,. interpreted as THEY Get their identity from my ability to what not .,. issues tag along when who is better me or her - or the aint i cute Pr5etty skinny - & feel correct when males stare .,. me or you .,. SO An Male in an females kitchen doing single handed egg cracks Like a Restaurant Cook as she deep fries pork chops .,. The Need to get praised over her food - is lost dream .,. and into dog house many mite go Getting past thoth in the is your heart more than likely tends to be like getting past hell hound emotional curses wives quoted as famous Bathsheba ., As Uriah SAID He Raised her .,. Very important concept IMO about emotional age and self aware of important verses non important things King David stole Uriaha's wife According to bible What do you mean by? "Getting past thoth in the is your heart more than likely tends to be like getting past hell hound emotional curses" Apologies I am a bit unsure as the what statement you were trying to make.
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Post by frago on Jul 2, 2020 5:24:24 GMT 9.5
Thoth & Enoch have enthralled me to no end. I've compiled quite a bit of research but I'm curious to see what you brothers have found on Thoth. Are you referring to the original pillars? Also to the land of Seir? In the 19th century a Mason(H Bromwell) wanted to establish a new Lodge that in his mind would restore lost Masonic knowledge, one name he incorporated often was Enoch. I'm more interested in tracing a direct line from Masonic ritual -> Thoth It seems to me that the entirety of our ritual work is deeply rooted in the mysteries surrounding thoth and his teachings. A member of my lodge has a firm belief that thoth himself was the founder of the masonic order and that we've been working for him in an endless cycle of preservation of mankind. I dig the thought and I can see how he got there but I am of course grounded in evidence, and want to see if I can actually trace things out.
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Post by frago on Jul 2, 2020 5:36:15 GMT 9.5
JPS Tanakh Genesis 5 "And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah. 22And Enoch walked with God after he begot Methuselah three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters. 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years. 24And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him. " This is curious that Enoch stayed 365 years on Earth. Is there another message in the 365? And the chapter goes on: "And Methuselah lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begot Lamech. 26And Methuselah lived after he begot Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begot sons and daughters. 27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years; and he died. " It seems that Enoch was in his prime when taken away. Here we have Thoth as "Lord of the great gods" a "god of eternity". Thoth seems to be in charge, unlike Enoch. "Praised be thee, Lord of the great gods, Possessor of the secrets that are in heaven and on earth, Good god of eternity of old, Who gave (us) the language and the scripture, Who has the houses pass by inheritance, Who founds the temples, Who sees that the gods remain within the limits of their competence, Each guild fulfils its obligations, The countries know their frontiers, And the fields their appurtenances." www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/thoth.htmlWe see Thoth as instructing in geometry (earth measurement) and managing the competence of lesser gods and in the secrets of heaven. Being a god of eternity is somewhat reminiscent of the Egyptian An: the god of millions of years. Perhaps they are the same species. www.geraldclark77.com/uploads/4/6/0/7/46076627/s653156960824870674_p24_i2_w750.jpegI've been following Geralds dissemination of the lineage and trying to see how it connects to the masonic order. By AN are you referring to the big dog up top?
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Post by paul on Jul 2, 2020 7:24:50 GMT 9.5
> nobles of the past in britain had an extremely specific interest in egyptian mythology,
I seem to recall that Scotland is named for an Egyptian princess that lived there.
> thoth himself was the founder of the masonic order
Sitchin makes a good case that there was only one set of gods at a time and they were known by different names in different cultures. Thus Fuxi and Nuwa were/are Osiris and Isis. Evidence of this can be seen in the depictions of the time and in the similarity of their actions.
Thus what we now know as Freemasonry was likely simultaneously instigated in China, Egypt, Sumer, India, South America and northern Europe. Indeed there is a photo showing Australian aboriginal ceremony with an arch of white rods for the entry of the candidate that is identical to that used in some modern forms of Holy Royal Arch.
While craft lodges are derived from Egyptian practice (modified by Mithraic influences), red Masonry is largely derived from Sumerian ritual with some Hindu influences. (That is an indicative statement rather than absolute)
For example the Isaic Mysteries performed a raising of which modern practice is a play acting imitation.
>By AN are you referring to the big dog up top?
An is the same as Anu, Ain and On. Being the oldest god, with the gods continuing to grow as they aged - unlike humans - An is/was the tallest god and therefore the most high.
In Sumerian legend Anu took the top local position by overthrowing Alalu the previous heavenly sovereign. Knowing that he himself was likely to experience the same fate, Anu posted his two sons both to this planet to keep them away from his palace. By tradition we know them as the Prince of Peace and the Prince of Darkness.
The Annunaki taught some of their spiritual practices to their half-breed humans. The triple grip is one such practice but now with substituted words.
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Post by frago on Jul 3, 2020 5:25:50 GMT 9.5
> nobles of the past in britain had an extremely specific interest in egyptian mythology, I seem to recall that Scotland is named for an Egyptian princess that lived there. > thoth himself was the founder of the masonic order Sitchin makes a good case that there was only one set of gods at a time and they were known by different names in different cultures. Thus Fuxi and Nuwa were/are Osiris and Isis. Evidence of this can be seen in the depictions of the time and in the similarity of their actions. Thus what we now know as Freemasonry was likely simultaneously instigated in China, Egypt, Sumer, India, South America and northern Europe. Indeed there is a photo showing Australian aboriginal ceremony with an arch of white rods for the entry of the candidate that is identical to that used in some modern forms of Holy Royal Arch. While craft lodges are derived from Egyptian practice (modified by Mithraic influences), red Masonry is largely derived from Sumerian ritual with some Hindu influences. (That is an indicative statement rather than absolute) For example the Isaic Mysteries performed a raising of which modern practice is a play acting imitation. >By AN are you referring to the big dog up top? An is the same as Anu, Ain and On. Being the oldest god, with the gods continuing to grow as they aged - unlike humans - An is/was the tallest god and therefore the most high. In Sumerian legend Anu took the top local position by overthrowing Alalu the previous heavenly sovereign. Knowing that he himself was likely to experience the same fate, Anu posted his two sons both to this planet to keep them away from his palace. By tradition we know them as the Prince of Peace and the Prince of Darkness. The Annunaki taught some of their spiritual practices to their half-breed humans. The triple grip is one such practice but now with substituted words. >I seem to recall that Scotland is named for an Egyptian princess that lived there. The significance of that definitely can't be ignored, I mean if we can keep a ritual going for over 300 years what could royalty keep secret? >Thus what we now know as Freemasonry was likely simultaneously instigated in China, Egypt, Sumer, India, South America and northern Europe. Indeed there is a photo showing Australian aboriginal ceremony with an arch of white rods for the entry of the candidate that is identical to that used in some modern forms of Holy Royal Arch. It seems as though the craftsmen were sent to the far corners of the earth with the knowledge of the sky gods to restart civilization after the latest geo-cosmic event. >Red Masonry is largely derived from Sumerian ritual with some Hindu influences. (That is an indicative statement rather than absolute) I haven't done my RA yet as a result of all this covid stuff that was derailed pretty hard, though I've already gone ahead into the masonic manual and other works to read majority of it. From what I can tell the signs & symbols within the red lodge are representative of the 4 zodiac signs, directly reflecting the solar cycle ( encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTnIjyELoa13i_nOgrp5NARxoCdz_f9DMDI2Q&usqp=CAU ) >The triple grip is one such practice but now with substituted words. As in our 3 degree handshakes, or the passwords at each degree? Speaking of the Third degree, have you been able to find the word in a sanskrit dictionary? I can't for the life of me remember it properly let alone find it we use it so little >.>
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Post by paul on Jul 3, 2020 7:13:05 GMT 9.5
>It seems as though the craftsmen were sent to the far corners of the earth
The accounts are more that humanoid "gods" appeared in strange craft and taught the sciences and built civilizations.
These days it seems that some of the humanoids were from inside the planet but found it convenient to point to the stars.
> red lodge are representative of the 4 zodiac signs
Mostly there are 12 signs, that used to be in a circle but are now in straight lines so that the Tree of Life can fit on to the Chapter. The 4 signs are said to be Jewish tribes - as I recall.
Meanwhile, An, the Egyptian "god of millions of years", was known as Holy Arch because he was thought to come from the pole star around which the arch of the heavens rotates. An/Anu "lowered kingship to Earth" in the Sumerian accounts so that he can be called Holy Royal Arch. In the Old Testament he is none other than The Most High, also called the Heavenly Sovereign in the 18th degree sovereign chapters.
The substituted words used in the Triple Grip were Sumerian but in the 20th century, the English Grand Chapter changed them to Jewish. This sort of ignorant veiling is common in Freemasonry.
>Speaking of the Third degree, have you been able to find the word in a sanskrit dictionary
You would be better to look at ancient Egyptian as that is the immediate source of much of craft ritual. Christopher Knight gives a useful account
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Post by paul on Jul 4, 2020 11:04:43 GMT 9.5
>Aye, on the gray shores of TIME-SPACE'S end found I the HOUNDS of the Barrier,
As I recall, some decades ago, an Australian billionaire fell off his polo horse. He was in a coma but eventually recovered. He said that he was in a place that was dark and cold and full of sharp spikes, and he did not want to go back there.
In conventional terms we might say that when venturing beyond his body he experienced the inner reality of his consciousness - well known to be not very nice.
On the other hand there are many people who experience their coma as filled with light and are reluctant to return to their bodies.
We might consider the variation of experience in terms of planes of existence. Generally it is better lift one's consciousness to higher planes where can be found higher and more functional relationships
So on which plane and subplane might we find the Hounds of the Barrier?
Perhaps on another plane we might meet what is veiled by the symbol of the pearly gates.
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Post by paul on Jul 5, 2020 7:25:16 GMT 9.5
Once I was riding my bicycle along a bay in the northern Scotland just after I had had a spiritual experience. I looked out over the bay and saw 2 identical rainbows - making arches in opposite directions, the right end of the one on the left just touching the left end of the one on the right. As I looked at them I was in exactly the right place for them to be exactly symmetrical arches.
Perhaps some nature spirits shaped little water drops into prisms and oriented them to make two exactly equal streams of light, separated by about 5 degrees.
As I rode around the left arch changed to being a completely vertical parallel-sided line, still touching the bottom left of the right arch. As I kept moving they progressively changed into the usual parallel twin arches, but in this case, both arches were of equal brightness. Usually one arch of a pair is a reflection of the first and therefore dimmer than the primary rainbow.
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Post by fjrogers on Jul 19, 2020 14:40:57 GMT 9.5
Once I was riding my bicycle along a bay in the northern Scotland just after I had had a spiritual experience. I looked out over the bay and saw 2 identical rainbows - making arches in opposite directions, the right end of the one on the left just touching the left end of the one on the right. As I looked at them I was in exactly the right place for them to be exactly symmetrical arches. Perhaps some nature spirits shaped little water drops into prisms and oriented them to make two exactly equal streams of light, separated by about 5 degrees. As I rode around the left arch changed to being a completely vertical parallel-sided line, still touching the bottom left of the right arch. As I kept moving they progressively changed into the usual parallel twin arches, but in this case, both arches were of equal brightness. Usually one arch of a pair is a reflection of the first and therefore dimmer than the primary rainbow. That sounds like it would have been a fascinating experience.
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Post by sc on Jul 25, 2020 8:12:59 GMT 9.5
Several weeks ago i had driven through the end of rainbow , something i thought i would never be able to experience in this life. It was a very surreal event, however its vibration was pleasant , and uplifting. Not overly, just lovely and pleasant.
I had told one of children about this and i jokingly said there is no pot of gold and its end. To which my reply was " maybe it was at the other end"
So i now wait again for an event that i think will never happen in this life.
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Post by paul on Jul 25, 2020 10:03:19 GMT 9.5
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow has at least two common meanings: - the realm of the Norse gods at the end of the rainbow bridge (the Norse gods have not left but hide from hi-tech humans) - the soul body at the higher end of the antahkarana meader.org/2013/03/antahkarana-the-bridge-to-the-sacred/The soul body is comprised of higher mental subplane substance and forms a body of manifestation for a solar (or beyond) intelligence that links the human personality to Spirit (Monadic energy usually). When the human personality is so pure that it can resonate directly with the Monad, the soul/solar intelligence departs and the soul body decomposes. The rainbow-like (spectrum) experience also occurs in some cosmic energy transfers.
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 1, 2020 16:52:56 GMT 9.5
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow has at least two common meanings: - the realm of the Norse gods at the end of the rainbow bridge (the Norse gods have not left but hide from hi-tech humans) - the soul body at the higher end of the antahkarana meader.org/2013/03/antahkarana-the-bridge-to-the-sacred/The soul body is comprised of higher mental subplane substance and forms a body of manifestation for a solar (or beyond) intelligence that links the human personality to Spirit (Monadic energy usually). When the human personality is so pure that it can resonate directly with the Monad, the soul/solar intelligence departs and the soul body decomposes. The rainbow-like (spectrum) experience also occurs in some cosmic energy transfers. It really does remind me of childhood dreams.
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Post by sammy on Aug 5, 2020 9:16:24 GMT 9.5
In response to the fringe "hounds".. it was long ago I encountered these. It seemed to me they keep in reign those leaving the "circle".
Maybe a bit difficult to explain but in simplest terms:
For it to be a full or complete circle, not even a single person can be left out.
So if someone was leaving the circle for whatever reasons, the dogs herd them back in.
It seemed a bit rough to me, but then I was reminded the type of person that found no comfort in the averaged conscious understanding of life. It seemed to make sense and was more or less what it is, so I left the thoughts alone till now.
I think this is why the importance of salvation is so detremental for completing the circle. A person who needs it and also a person willing to give it.
Some bad things have been done throughout time, things some people can't forgive and also people who can't forgive themselves. The minimal requirement seems to be atleast 2 people and both under the same belief and understanding.
It's weird to me how everything works out in life. My description of hounds leading into similar talks from the Jesus thread. I hadn't read this threads recent comments before today and I wrote a poem about rainbows. Here everyone is talking about rainbows.
From my end it seems nothing is left out from coming back around. The fail safes are in place, the hounds are hard at work. No matter what we try it will come full circle. We even may succeed in prolonging the inevitable, but it will always become a round. Like fluid in zero G it has no choice.
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