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Post by sammy on Mar 26, 2014 13:21:09 GMT 9.5
Perhaps the chaos provided a type of deduction process within its system.
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Post by paul on Mar 29, 2014 10:47:34 GMT 9.5
>Perhaps the chaos provided a type of deduction process within its system.
Would that provide a molecule that can be easily modified to produce both haemoglobin and chlorophyll?
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Post by sammy on Mar 29, 2014 15:37:39 GMT 9.5
It could have worked it's way down to that sure. I had just meant, perhaps the chaos went on so long that some things were noticed to have reactions (I.E. chemical/biological). Then the reactions began to be concentrated on, eventually making conscious observance.
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Post by paul on Mar 29, 2014 15:43:29 GMT 9.5
I think the idea that chaos eventually produces highly sophisticated entities is difficult to maintain - particularly where quite different entities turn out to share a lot of DNA.
Why would the chaos stop producing at only one DNA source pattern?
And how long do we think it would take for random events to result in three billion DNA base pairs for the human? And that only is to produce the proteins for a human.
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Post by sammy on Mar 29, 2014 15:48:17 GMT 9.5
Perhaps the DNA was just the reaction, the patterns it produces are outside of their experimental control. Like with mixing baking soda and vinegar, we cant control how many bubbles get made. We can just estimate enough to produce the desired reaction.
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Post by sammy on Mar 30, 2014 0:55:48 GMT 9.5
Thinking some more on this, if the concentrated focus on reactions is what began the workings of consciousness. This conscious entity would see things at a cosmic scale. Perhaps how angels were born? Then moving to biological reactions creating a body to inhabit the conscious observance. This grew until it became aware of good and bad (tree of knowledge), and making the original beings polar opposites to our new conscious perception (angels/good, demons/bad). This part is odd though, it says 1/3 of the angels were sent to dwell in hell. Would this imply 1/3 on top/heaven, 1/3 on the middle/Earth, and 1/3 below/hell?
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Post by paul on Mar 30, 2014 6:02:25 GMT 9.5
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Post by sammy on Mar 30, 2014 8:04:46 GMT 9.5
Thanks for that! Interesting link at the end there too.
So what of these 1/3 of angels on Earth?
Is it 1/3 has to be in heaven and the other 1/3 on Earth at all times, they just have to switch one from each side? Or are they stuck on Earth, hell, and Heaven, and all sides just communicate? I have had dreams about talking to people through a invisible wall. It seemed to be some kind of barrier like this.
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Post by sammy on Mar 30, 2014 8:19:25 GMT 9.5
The Earth 1/3 could be half angels half demons even. Is 1/3 a even number though? Does 1 act as a judge or something else?
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Post by paul on Mar 30, 2014 8:38:10 GMT 9.5
It is important to distinguish the Old Testament angelos (messengers) who were humanoid and ate food and were lusted after by the inhabitants of Sodom, from spirit beings who have functional roles at the cosmic level
Genesis 19:1-29 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
19 And two of the messengers come towards Sodom at even, and Lot is sitting at the gate of Sodom, and Lot seeth, and riseth to meet them, and boweth himself -- face to the earth,
2 and he saith, `Lo, I pray you, my lords, turn aside, I pray you, unto the house of your servant, and lodge, and wash your feet -- then ye have risen early and gone on your way;' and they say, `Nay, but in the broad place we do lodge.'
3 And he presseth on them greatly, and they turn aside unto him, and come in unto his house; and he maketh for them a banquet, and hath baked unleavened things; and they do eat.
4 Before they lie down, the men of the city -- men of Sodom -- have come round about against the house, from young even unto aged, all the people from the extremity;
5 and they call unto Lot and say to him, `Where [are] the men who have come in unto thee to-night? bring them out unto us, and we know them.'
Thus at the level of humanoid messengers there can be both good and evil
On the other hand the devas may be light or dark, but of themselves neither good or evil. (Excess of light may be evil in some contexts)
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Post by sammy on Mar 30, 2014 9:25:06 GMT 9.5
Devas sound more like the middle level. Almost neutral in stance. So then angelic or etheric beings would be that on the higher level.
Do you think the roles can be switched? Or does the vessel appear depending on the conscious signature?
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Post by paul on Mar 30, 2014 10:35:45 GMT 9.5
The Sanskrit deva- derives from Indo-Iranian *dev- which in turn descends from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) word, *deiwos, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "shining", which is a PIE (not synchronic Sanskrit) vrddhi derivative from the root *diw meaning "to shine", especially as the day-lit sky. The feminine form of PIE *deiwos is PIE *deiwih2, which descends into Indic languages as devi, in that context meaning "female deity" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_%28Hinduism%29In modern esoteric use deva is used broadly to cover nature spirits (army of the voice) and higher angelic beings (the greater builders). Personally I use "deva" mainly to refer to the greater builders. The human structure typically has a number of nature spirits, including one each for most chakras and, all being well, a greater builder to manage the soul (known as the solar angel). There may be other greater builders taking an interest, particularly in the more advanced initiates. www.light-weaver.com/rays/toc.html
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Post by sammy on Mar 30, 2014 13:54:14 GMT 9.5
Cool link and thanks for the break down on deva!
I was doing good following the visualization then I couldn't stop yawning! A fun read though, I will give it another shot when I am not so drained.
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Post by paul on Mar 30, 2014 14:43:47 GMT 9.5
>following the visualization then I couldn't stop yawning!
Yawning is common when changing consciousness.
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Post by sammy on Mar 30, 2014 23:13:46 GMT 9.5
>following the visualization then I couldn't stop yawning! Yawning is common when changing consciousness. You must be right, as soon as I start to visualize the scene they are describing I start yawning uncontrollably. I felt wide awake and well rested, no reason I should be yawning while pursuing intense thoughts. Is the consciousness trying to leave the body like when we sleep?
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