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Post by mgc on Jun 10, 2013 15:29:35 GMT 9.5
What is the definition of a ghost? If they don't exist how can we define them? my personal definition of a ghost is: the spirit / soul (i dont distinguish, take your pick) of a deceased member of the fauna group we can define stuff that isnt real by using our imagination (and a degree of logic). i consider Theodor Seuss Geisel an expert in this field.
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Post by paul on Jun 10, 2013 16:48:13 GMT 9.5
>we can define stuff that isnt real by using our imagination (and a degree of logic)
If the mind is a sense organ then we can find stuff that is not material "by using our imagination (and a degree of logic)"
The logic is required since: as below so above.
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Post by mgc on Jun 10, 2013 17:30:00 GMT 9.5
"we can define stuff that isnt real by using our imagination (and a degree of logic)." "If the mind is a sense organ then we can find stuff that is not material"
stuff that isnt real doesnt necessarily equal stuff that is not material.
r u saying that if imagination was to immaterial stuff as eyes would be to material stuff, we could imagine real immaterial stuff?
what rules of logic does the imagination adhere to?
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Post by paul on Jun 10, 2013 17:54:30 GMT 9.5
>if imagination was to immaterial stuff as eyes would be to material stuff
That is certainly the case. On each subplane we can accumulate substance and arrange it to function as sense organs - including that of sight. Hence the importance of learning to operate on that mysterious ladder veiled by Jacob's Ladder
>what rules of logic does the imagination adhere to?
The laws of nature operate at all levels: as above so below.
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Post by mgc on Jun 10, 2013 18:13:05 GMT 9.5
On each subplane we can accumulate substance and arrange it to function as sense organs have u tested the accuracy of these sense organs on verifiable targets? if so, would u mind posting the experiments and their results?
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Post by paul on Jun 10, 2013 18:30:08 GMT 9.5
>would u mind posting the experiments and their results?
Last Friday a lady at work asked me what the weather would be for the weekend. I had a look/feel and said a few showers on Saturday and Sunday with rain by midday on Monday. The official forecast was for only a few showers on Monday. As it happened there was light rain most of Monday. The official forecast for Monday was quite wrong.
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Post by mgc on Jun 10, 2013 18:40:17 GMT 9.5
how and what did u look / feel?
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Post by paul on Jun 10, 2013 18:59:56 GMT 9.5
I project forward in time and feel for the dampness of the conditions
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Post by mgc on Jun 10, 2013 23:21:45 GMT 9.5
is there a limit to how far u can project? suppose id want to know what the weather around le mans is on saturday and sunday the 22nd and 23th (this year) in particular i would like to know temperature max and min and if theres going to be any rain.
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Post by paul on Jun 11, 2013 5:38:52 GMT 9.5
is there a limit to how far u can project? suppose id want to know what the weather around le mans is on saturday and sunday the 22nd and 23th (this year) in particular i would like to know temperature max and min and if theres going to be any rain. The further ahead the time, the less accurate is my finding of that time. It also helps to have a good familiarity with of the location. I have never tried for measuring temperatures. Another means is to locate a relevant entity and ask it. For example there will be a landscape deva that may know what you want. I once was given the first three placings for a horse race in the right order by the deva of Melbourne. The trifecta paid about $72000 as they were all outsiders. The next year the deva gave me rubbish. I think it really had no interest after the first time.
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Post by Philip K. Dick on Jun 11, 2013 18:18:19 GMT 9.5
Mistaken, lying, duped or mad? Nope, none of those. I guess you would say you know you were not lying. But that would be expected. How do you know you were not duped, mad or otherwise mistaken? Have you discussed this and similar experiences, your hearing disembodied voices and your belief that thoughts can be either inserted and stolen with a mental health professional? Remember one in five people will suffer a major mental health problem at some stage in their lives. What is more reasonable for others to think, that you really witnessed an impossibility or that you are mad? "The psychotic does not merely think he sees four blue bivalves with floppy wings wandering up the wall; he does see them. An hallucination is not, strictly speaking, manufactured in the brain; it is received by the brain, like any 'real' sense datum, and the patient act in response to this to-him-very-real perception of reality in as logical a way as we do to our sense data. In any way to suppose he only 'thinks he sees it' is to misunderstand totally the experience of psychosis." Philip K. Dick.
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Post by mgc on Jun 11, 2013 22:15:27 GMT 9.5
"The further ahead the time, the less accurate is my finding of that time."
personal experience tells me that the future is quite fixed. i find it odd that u dont have the same experience.
"It also helps to have a good familiarity with of the location."
when it comes to interpreting the picture, sure. i was once watching a youtube video of an event that had yet to happen (inside my mind). the shots were so fast that it was hard to give a good description of what i saw in "real" time. several years later, sandy came to town and i saw the youtube video i "sensed" years earlier. i have never been to new york btw.
"I have never tried for measuring temperatures." then perhaps today is your lucky day?
i predict that the first, second and third place will all be audi (just in case that was holding u back). and no, that prediction is not based on "inside" info.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 12, 2013 9:02:56 GMT 9.5
Mistaken, lying, duped or mad? Nope, none of those. I guess you would say you know you were not lying. But that would be expected. How do you know you were not duped, mad ...? Darling, if I am mad I will come and see you. You work in a mental institution I believe.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 12, 2013 12:36:50 GMT 9.5
The Queen herself is said to have spotted the ghost of John Brown, Queen Victoria’s servant and friend, on the grounds of Balmoral. Windsor Castle, Princess Margaret is reported to have seen the ghost of Elizabeth I.
King George IV -, in 1786 he was staying at Raynam hall, he woke one night to find a woman wearing brown standing beside his bed. Her hair was dishevelled, her face ashen white. He fled his room in his nightgown and cap and stormed through the house. He refused to stay an hour longer.
Poet Lord Byron believed he had seen the ghost of the “Black Friar” at Newstead Abbey.
President Theodore Roosevelt - once said "I see Lincoln - shambling, homely, with his sad, strong deeply-furrowed face - in different rooms and halls". Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands is said to have fainted after answering a knock on the Rose Room door to find Lincoln standing outside. Sir Winston Churchill did not enjoy sleeping in Lincoln's old bedroom where he saw the ghost of Abraham Lincoln himself. Legend has it that he asked for his room to be changed the next day.
It has been claimed that apparitions were experienced by a number of popes, including Pope Leo XIII in 1884, Pope Pius XII at various stages during his papacy, and Pope John Paul II in 1981
Then there is Socrates, George Washington etc etc
It seems the whole world is a little queer, except thee and me, and even thee is a little unusual ... LOL
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Post by paul on Jun 12, 2013 12:58:36 GMT 9.5
I once had some complaints about an unlit path where people were getting scared. When I went for a visit at night there was a dark moving space on a path with dappled light. When I stood inside the dark space I could no longer see the light on the path. It was a thick darkness not an absence of light.
I sucked the energy out of it and after that there were no complaints.
(Don't do this at home)
The small area had previously been the site of a suicide but that was an effect not a cause.
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Post by mental institution on Jun 12, 2013 18:11:15 GMT 9.5
I guess you would say you know you were not lying. But that would be expected. How do you know you were not duped, mad ...? Darling, if I am mad I will come and see you. You work in a mental institution I believe. Not I, but I have some qualifications. I recommend you discuss your bizarre perceptions with someone qualified. Your G.P. would be a good start for an appropriate referral.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 12, 2013 18:39:10 GMT 9.5
Darling, if I am mad I will come and see you. You work in a mental institution I believe. Not I, but I have some qualifications. I recommend you discuss your bizarre perceptions with someone qualified. Your G.P. would be a good start for an appropriate referral. Now if your GP happens to be strongly religious of the Eastern religion variety, you might end up having an interesting mutual conversational chat about metaphysics. Might even get some tips along with shared experiences Offhand I can think of one very senior consultant who understands metaphysics very well, so even if you do get a referral you might be in for a nice suprise. Even in good old England some of the metaphyical conversations that I have had with well travelled freemaosns in masonic contexts (by which I mean meetings mainly in masonic buildings, attendance at lodge functions etc) does make me wonder why the masons who come here with their skepticism (skepticism is good btw - if you read what I do on political and ufo forums you will see that even I am skeptical of many things) spend so much effect here when, at least in my own experience, such things are rife in the masonic world. Admittedly there has been a crackdown from high hied yins in several jurisdictions, but also a backlash against the crackdowns. So it is hardly as if paul and LorrB are exceptional. more vocal yes, but exceptional in what they talk about in masonic contexts - hardly. Boys it might just be that you dont get invited to such chats in the masonic world as your views are so well known. But you really dont have to dig deep to find it. That all said and in fairness this is based on only a decade of positive interaction, and perhaps a dozen meetings , so I accept that my perspective is limited, and equally I wont get invited by social clubbers (no disrespect meant), but seriously it is not that difficult to find. If you, mental institution, are correct you need to be locking up/medicating a fair few of your brothers including some who wear chains. Perhaps as you dont want to explore such things - you are simply not invited to discuss at lodge and meetings?
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Post by Bernard Fontenelle on Jun 12, 2013 20:10:12 GMT 9.5
The Queen herself is said to have spotted the ghost of John Brown, Queen Victoria’s servant and friend, on the grounds of Balmoral. Windsor Castle, Princess Margaret is reported to have seen the ghost of Elizabeth I. King George IV -, in 1786 he was staying at Raynam hall, he woke one night to find a woman wearing brown standing beside his bed. Her hair was dishevelled, her face ashen white. He fled his room in his nightgown and cap and stormed through the house. He refused to stay an hour longer. Poet Lord Byron believed he had seen the ghost of the “Black Friar” at Newstead Abbey. President Theodore Roosevelt - once said "I see Lincoln - shambling, homely, with his sad, strong deeply-furrowed face - in different rooms and halls". Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands is said to have fainted after answering a knock on the Rose Room door to find Lincoln standing outside. Sir Winston Churchill did not enjoy sleeping in Lincoln's old bedroom where he saw the ghost of Abraham Lincoln himself. Legend has it that he asked for his room to be changed the next day. It has been claimed that apparitions were experienced by a number of popes, including Pope Leo XIII in 1884, Pope Pius XII at various stages during his papacy, and Pope John Paul II in 1981 Then there is Socrates, George Washington etc etc It seems the whole world is a little queer, except thee and me, and even thee is a little unusual ... LOL I think the reports of sightings need verification before investigating the sightings themselves. This is the stuff modern and not so modern myths are made of. Stories get out of control as with Socrates' ghost answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100726233340AAPzqlq "Let us be well assured of the Matter of Fact, before we trouble ourselves with enquiring into the Cause. It is true, that this Method is too slow for the greatest part of Mankind, who run naturally to the Cause, and pass over the Truth of the Matter of Fact." - Bernard Fontenelle. Even if we find a first hand report we would have to allow that royalty and high office are no guarantees of sanity. Remember one in five people will suffer a major mental illness during their lifetime. I am not suggesting you and "Paul" are in any way special or unusual.
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Post by mgc on Jun 12, 2013 21:36:50 GMT 9.5
""King George IV -, in 1786 he was staying at Raynam hall, he woke one night to find a woman wearing brown standing beside his bed. Her hair was dishevelled, her face ashen white. He fled his room in his nightgown and cap and stormed through the house. He refused to stay an hour longer.""
this sounds like a practical joke to me.
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Post by paul on Jun 13, 2013 10:19:03 GMT 9.5
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