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Post by sammy on Jul 4, 2014 23:00:06 GMT 9.5
Sammy Luke 8 ► 28When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. 29(For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) 30And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. 31And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep. 32And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them. Reading and understanding this as presented explains perhaps there is a powerful energy held there and the Jesus did not banish the energy from > 31And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep. Seems this level of energy was too much for this man and his heart mind and soul were not at peace enough to withstand the type of horsepower present in that energy! So a past present or future broken heart SEEMED par for the course correction needed for soul elevation! People do not join the monastery because they love god so much, most of the time it is often they have something of a massive energy inside them and it might be kicking their butt Van Gogh was an ordained minister and what he saw there as a minister was tearing his heart out , so he resigned as a minister and started painting It seems the dialog shared explains the process of getting a human both brain lobes functioning and the heart unhardened is the real goal of life SO this subject being repeated might have enough validity to warrant replicate discussion ,,, So how anyone feels or thinks or expresses IS all part of the personal awakening story, and the need to discuss our feelings until they get under control /// Once we get our emotions under control we can start to feel other peoples emotions IF you do not do both at the SAME time it is like you are holding back a legion of demons and this seems a reality at this time This is the energy Ed seems to mention So fair game mention in perhaps any FM discussion if the point is to tell others what is going down here and peal back the veil of truth Nimrod was shutdown because perhaps he was awakening to many souls at one time , something along those lines
Yes I do believe certain being can be awoken within, but this is the course of enlightenment. It is up to the person "conjuring" on what they get back, and also how it has its own built in fail safes for those of ill purpose whether they understood it or not. Mistakes must be allowed but only in the name of progress or moving forward. They will not let someone play if they don't plan to move ahead.
Another aspect of awakening is the sharing of the paths journey. Without others to report its existence, one might start to assume it was illogical to procure it.
I agree we are being taught to use both sides of our brain, as equal partners. In addition to awakening. Also as you stated, it must be from more then one point of view (other people), or the image will start to get distorted or change in the wrong direction and start producing the wrong energies.
Something that has supported these thoughts in myself over the years is the fact that many academic "geniuses" tend to go a bit loopy or just outright crazy in later years, and sometimes right out of the gate. Much like how autistic people are considered savants, we start to loose that side of our self to become the other. A polarity of this would be a hippy type, who would refuse to learn academics to the point of stunting their own growth (too much love not enough light).
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Post by sammy on Jul 4, 2014 23:24:30 GMT 9.5
Here is some rope A History of Geometrical Methods By Julian Lowell Coolidge The earliest Indian mathematics is found in the Sulvasutras or Sulba-Sutras, 'Rules of the cord'. Let the reader note this is cord, not chord ; it is a question of geometrical constructions effected by means of rope-stretching, a concept familiar also to the Egyptians. The Egyptian word “Hardenonaptai” is where we get “Rope Stretchers” from.
So it does seem to be a bigger importance on the "line" than speculated earlier. Perhaps just its lessons were too old to keep it going. After all maritime travel or work was a daily part of life before 100 years ago, and when it fell it fell hard. The introduction of steam engines spelled doom for ropes, sails, and other hemp products commonly found on ships. Although not having to be dependent on the wind im sure was a nice change at the time, not to mention the extra work and danger of having multiple masts.
I can honestly say if I hadn't worked in delivery trucks for so long I never would of learned how to make and use knots in rope. Trying to deliver without them is pointless, unless they wanted firewood. Rope is a dying art...
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Post by sammy on Jul 4, 2014 23:30:16 GMT 9.5
How Paul explained the knotted rope, seems like the ruler is the more modern version. Unless you consider a tailors tape.
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Post by paul on Jul 4, 2014 23:38:15 GMT 9.5
The knotted rope makes various angles and can make circles and other curved shapes.
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Post by sammy on Jul 4, 2014 23:51:52 GMT 9.5
Oh sure, I had not meant to discount that. The same is said for the line. I had just meant its basic foundations, outside of extensions/distortions. A rope much like a line can connect just about any points. Maybe all, and one that is marked can measure it(give it perspective).
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Post by sammy on Jul 5, 2014 4:45:18 GMT 9.5
Sammy Kindly know, I share 'as is' and it not for me to correct one who wrong SO If what I say is misinterpreted, this is part of the reason for secrecy! Of details and clues / hints So take from it what you may find helpful and enjoy any benefit u may find I am a bit confused. Are you saying I am sharing secrets I should not? You are implying there is "one who is wrong".
So far secrecy has only lead me to confusion (as the word mandates). The details and clues are only as good as their accessibility, and if secret, it would seem even less beneficial to the everyday man. I understand the need of previous times and the consequences a person might face in their practice or even mention the words. It does not excuse the need for the souls food in todays times, as the soul is in everyone unbiased to the observer.
Always do and thank you!
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Post by sammy on Jul 5, 2014 4:52:06 GMT 9.5
I guess the way I see it is... We cannot make a positive progress, if we do not embrace what makes us do so. It is a way of life, which at one time had to be a secret to survive.
Secrets to me are as good as lies, as they both leave people out of the growing event. I think also the reason why we feel such a need to express it, and why it can turn sour if withheld and used for selfish gain.
The secrets protect themselves. A triangle might mean much more to you and me then it might to a random person. My only question in all this I guess is, would it be so bad if the random person knew the answer too?
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Post by sammy on Jul 6, 2014 0:58:30 GMT 9.5
I am sorry as well, and no worries. I see where your coming from now.
I did not mean to say that the triangle means something in particular. Just that it means something more to you and me, like a language we associate the shape to certain words or emotions due to our progress of communication. I would not be let down or disappointed if two people talking about a triangle never went beyond the shape in their discussion. How I see a triangle from a week ago to now, is far different in fact.
Perhaps I am a bit harsh on some secrets, like how to make a atomic bomb for instance, some things should not be openly accessible. I don't consider it a secret however we know they exist, I would call it protected or dangerous knowledge. However the person that decides to try and make one, regardless who kept the secret, is showing who they are. The mess they are going to make in their life will happen regardless what is taught to them along the way.
In America most messes are made with assault rifles, as they make the biggest mess in the shortest amount of time, and you can just walk in and buy one at a store like you would a jug of milk. Regardless the danger and promotions of fear, we allow this as daily life. We started our right to bear arms so that we would not have to live in fear of invaders and Americans were ready to defend our country if it came time, but we ended up invading ourselves.
Again sorry for any misunderstandings.
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Post by sammy on Jul 6, 2014 1:31:20 GMT 9.5
In addition to the secrets protecting themselves and what I meant. Looking at how enlightened knowledge has effected its users, we can see the spectrum of its consequences. There is both options of positive and negative paths with multiple venues in either. There is only 1 point of destination though. Regardless our expectations, if we miss that mark, we have not hit target and its a miss. Simply hit or miss. When we miss we might be progressing and in fact we are, but not north anymore, and we have ventured east, west, or south. But the main focus is that we are not moving north, and therefore missed the target. Each mark is a point of knowledge to grow to the next in line of north. The knowledge gained from hitting the mark, will never go beyond the people it has chosen for those reasons. We either hit it or we don't (makes sense or it doesn't).
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Post by paul on Jul 6, 2014 6:44:43 GMT 9.5
>> Secrets to me are as good as lies, as they both leave people out of the growing event.
Perhaps the primary reason for secrets of any kind is lack of trust.
The party with the secret may not trust, and the other parties may not be trustworthy.
Thus it is a matter of right relationship.
As for being left out, all exist in the Oneness. It is our own lack of relationship with the Oneness that leaves us unaware.
Thus the work of the Entered Apprentice is to establish right relationships internally and externally. This prepares for the work of the Fellowcraft - entry to the hidden mysteries of nature and science.
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Post by sammy on Jul 6, 2014 8:26:18 GMT 9.5
You are right Paul and I did re-edify my statement. The mysteries unlock themselves when the time is right to do so.
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Post by sammy on Jul 6, 2014 22:44:17 GMT 9.5
To an earlier topic we were discussing about Ed and his lost loves castle. I had said he made this for his love, like wise Egyptians made pyramids for their loved ones. It would seem using this knowledge toward a loved ones life on Earth will result in massive structures.
There is other aspects of this though. Instead of making it for 1 person, we can also make it for everyone. As it would be a house for people far greater, but not of this Earth. A few to do so is Jesus, Muhammad, Ghandi, Mother Theresa, and many more. Prophets may not have built a giant structure but its obvious they are in the same energy, just with a different use.
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Post by sammy on Jul 6, 2014 23:06:25 GMT 9.5
Thank you Fox for the insightful and heartfelt words! I would not have gotten very far on my path if I didn't enjoy it HAHA. Skepticism and ridicule have been turned into an art form on the internet, it takes some tough skin to get by sometimes.
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Post by sammy on Jul 7, 2014 6:15:21 GMT 9.5
Ya I don't see why we should feel as though we need to tell people on how to style their hair.
If someone was going around telling a friend of mine that Jesus wants them to shave their hair. I would defend the friend who's boundary was crossed.
However if a person came to me saying they keep getting messages to shave their hair, and they sincerely desire a resolution. I would tell them to pursue the harmless act to subdue the conflict, and who knows what lessons might be learned in such humility.
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Post by paul on Jul 7, 2014 7:55:13 GMT 9.5
>as though we need to tell people on how to style their hair
Many years ago I lived in a spiritual community and had a beard. One night I had a dream that the least macho male in the community was shaving off my beard. When I awoke I understood that the beard was too overtly male so I shaved it off. It was important to use a blade rather than an electric razor, to get a properly smooth finish. So it has been ever since.
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Post by sammy on Jul 7, 2014 14:26:05 GMT 9.5
> I would defend the friend who's boundary was crossed. So you personaly assume responsibility karmically for all the stuff made worse by that Again making a judgment call on limited info has teeth Please forgive me for this if this is uncomfortable at the moment but what if she knew of a lice epidemic in the neighborhood! But did not want to invoke her or the Child's manifestation skills ! But we are back to wanting a perfect world and not every soul is ready for such! There are some things very much like English compositions of allegory of the cave or the 4 Agreements and the serenity prayer ! I do not want to upset you and ask openly again about reading those and how much you have absorbed into your inner silence ... Enough inner silence and we obtain the wisdom of Solomon
If I assume a friend, then the responsibility of such is present. So yes I would assume its position as friends are one that I desire for my journey.
Recently at a concert/party me and friends were sitting around a table drinking and talking. A shriner that had been surfing the crowd had made his way over and joined our cheer. We got to the point we were all mingling nicely, and conversations were flowing. About this point a gothic couple pushed their way into our center and the male instantly started making fun of our British friends accent. One in our group got instantly pumped for a fight, and I had to motion him down. The shriner tried to quell the situation as well, since we had established contact. Once the gothic kid was over the fact people have other accents than American, he grabbed the shriner's hat right off his head putting it on and saying "oh what a funny little hat".
At this point no one else aside from the shriner was concerned as he had left our British friend alone, and they did not understand the journey it takes to acquire the hat. I could see the shriner trying to keep his cool, but the gothic kid was now refusing to give the hat back and the shriner looked like he might now go to blows as well (I didn't blame him at this point). I came to his defense to get this kid out of the scene, and also his hat back. I stood up and stared him in right in the eyes and he knew what it meant if he didn't give the hat back at this point. The hat was given back to the shriner, and after being ignored enough the gothic couple left. (in the gothic girls defense she was not as unpleasant as her partner, nor trying to be)
Even the presence of pleasant company was enough for me to stand at the back of another in their defense and time of need. These acts are what set relationships of friends in motion, as I know they would come to my aid as well.
Solomon found all the answers? Who claims to?
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Post by LorrB on Jul 7, 2014 14:40:23 GMT 9.5
Solomon fell from grace before he died ... how wise was he?
1 Ki 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; 1 Ki 11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. 1 Ki 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. 1 Ki 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 1 Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 1 Ki 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. 1 Ki 11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 1 Ki 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. 1 Ki 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, 1 Ki 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. 1 Ki 11:11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. 1 Ki 11:12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. 1 Ki 11:13 Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen.
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Post by sammy on Jul 8, 2014 0:39:04 GMT 9.5
A hats, just a hat. A arms just an arm. A hearts just a heart. Are you starting to see why this way of thinking is a bad idea?
My point of all this was, regardless what he was saying to make us mad or how many wanted to hit this gothic kid, no one did and the issue was resolved. Regardless what came, as friends we stuck together for a positive resolution, each getting the others back. There was no "winning" competition, and we couldn't avoid the problem.
Everything takes energy, this is the course of life. I can push my body to work over 20 hours of labor, and ill do it if its worth it. Energy isn't worth having if it isn't used.
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Post by sammy on Jul 8, 2014 1:19:54 GMT 9.5
With this, was Jesus not being drained by every person he healed? Even by his apostles, they took parts of him as extension. If you go by Jesus he gave it all to the last drop, and by the time he was done there was nothing left (go figure). You think someone this open in todays world would not meet the same fate? We can see daily on the news this isn't so.
I will give my energy, as this is what connects and connecting recharges it. I will not give all of it, as I need my body to connect. I will do this daily until our time of peace.
In short, I do what is needed for the given circumstance. Each event is different and also requires a approach custom tailored, promoting a safe growth. The truth is we do not live in a world of peace, and those mindsets are not yet ready for use. Once we have done what it takes to deserve that reward, the mindsets will then take flight as a path of truth, being ready to do so.
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Post by sammy on Jul 8, 2014 1:56:47 GMT 9.5
I guess to shorten these thoughts.
We need to be honest. Honest to ourselves and others.
In a given situation we need to do what we feel(most do anyway), or our guidance from these acts will be mislead. This is because we are doing what this person did, or that person did, and thinking "this is the right thing to do". Meanwhile our true self grows in the shadow unguided, its truth hidden by the accepted responses from those around them. When a point of view becomes encircled with direction, is when literally any direction seems right to do. If every direction is saying it is right ( do not kill : kill or be killed ), then that point of view knows they are all wrong and any natural guilt toward killing might be relieved.
We need to be our self to become our greatest potential, otherwise it opens as you said Pandora's box (I would also call it spiral, as it takes two major forces against each other circling 1 point/person and it will one day converge).
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