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Post by LorrB on Jun 13, 2012 11:36:49 GMT 9.5
... maybe the line that says the birds turned white is worth investigating. I can't imagine there would be any bird left, if it was a cometary (or nuclear) explosion.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 13, 2012 11:45:20 GMT 9.5
All pure speculation. The burden of proof lies with those who make such claims. Does this apply to your assertion: Lilith is my patron Goddess, who claimed me as her own during ritual. I can assure you, she is no alien. The headdress on her head in the Burney relief depicts a stepped crown, denoting her divinity. Read more: a406.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=esononmas&action=display&thread=719&page=1#ixzz1xdRZBnfPWhat is the difference between alien (from elsewhere) and divinity? Is it an Inner/Outer thing?
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Post by paul on Jun 13, 2012 11:53:36 GMT 9.5
How do you exclude the following possibilities: - there is a smarter species that keeps out of the way of humans e.g. in remote areas or underground - there is a smarter species that can alter its appearance to be invisible to humans - there are parallel time paths occupying this planet with smarter species on some that make occasional visits to our set of time paths - the human race is programmed/hypnotised/modified not to see the evidence of smarter species - some humans have evolved into a smarter species but retain humanoid appearance - smarter species have symbiotic relationship to humans, using humans as a host species - smarter species have modified their genetics to have humanoid bodies - smarter species can project holographic images for human perception - etc All pure speculation. The burden of proof lies with those who make such claims. It is too early in my investigations to speak of proof. All of those hypotheses have at least some supporting observations so I cannot exclude them. And any of those hypotheses could undermine human self-esteem. Is that the issue?
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Post by paul on Jun 13, 2012 12:02:18 GMT 9.5
Lilith is my patron Goddess, who claimed me as her own during ritual. I can assure you, she is no alien. The headdress on her head in the Burney relief depicts a stepped crown, denoting her divinity. ... Lilith is not an uncommon name. Would you like to say how you satisfied yourself of the actual identity of the entity? Would you like to say how you know that your Lilith is not alien to this planet? Is there a particular meaning you attach to divine? I have often wondered at the lack of morality of many of the gods in their recorded histories. Personally I would not call them divine in the sense of being at one with the Source.
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Post by paul on Jun 13, 2012 12:11:21 GMT 9.5
Or, it could be a poetic description of a cometary explosion, such as happened at Tunguska. Tunguska may be a bit more complicated than that. There are accounts that the object changed directions before exploding above the ground. "There were conflicting reports that made researchers wonder: Did the object arrive from the southeast or southwest? The flight path of the cosmic object was reconstructed from eyewitness testimony and ballistic wave (ground) evidence. The problem of different trajectories was eventually solved with an amazing conclusion: 'Both paths were accurate. The object had switched direction in its journey over Siberia!' " www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/n/nuclear_tunguska.html"when Kulik finally reached Ground Zero. He found NO IMPACT CRATER! Instead, in the middle of everything, he observed a small forest of trees; still standing. They had been seared and stripped of their branches. This was called the 'telegraph pole' forest." Perhaps eye witness accounts are better discarded?
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Post by paul on Jun 13, 2012 20:41:00 GMT 9.5
... I was trying to build a case to show that dealing with aliens and higher self could lead to a dark night of the soul.... That rather depends what is meant by the dark night of the soul. In common parlance it does not mean what the saints meant. What the saints meant is that when the first stage of enlightenment is achieved (control of the higher mental or soul energies) the human is abandoned by the higher forces that used to provide guidance. The human then needs to find the right choices with no help at all. A dark time indeed!
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Post by Henka on Jun 13, 2012 22:20:47 GMT 9.5
Or, it could be a poetic description of a cometary explosion, such as happened at Tunguska. Tunguska may be a bit more complicated than that. There are accounts that the object changed directions before exploding above the ground. "There were conflicting reports that made researchers wonder: Did the object arrive from the southeast or southwest? The flight path of the cosmic object was reconstructed from eyewitness testimony and ballistic wave (ground) evidence. The problem of different trajectories was eventually solved with an amazing conclusion: 'Both paths were accurate. The object had switched direction in its journey over Siberia!' " www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/n/nuclear_tunguska.html"when Kulik finally reached Ground Zero. He found NO IMPACT CRATER! Instead, in the middle of everything, he observed a small forest of trees; still standing. They had been seared and stripped of their branches. This was called the 'telegraph pole' forest." Perhaps eye witness accounts are better discarded? Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, as we know from court testimony.
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Post by cwhite on Jun 13, 2012 22:52:39 GMT 9.5
It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war! I've seen archeological evidence supporting this claim. Radioactive skeletal remains.
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Post by Henka on Jun 14, 2012 5:09:55 GMT 9.5
All pure speculation. The burden of proof lies with those who make such claims. Does this apply to your assertion: Lilith is my patron Goddess, who claimed me as her own during ritual. I can assure you, she is no alien. The headdress on her head in the Burney relief depicts a stepped crown, denoting her divinity. Read more: a406.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=esononmas&action=display&thread=719&page=1#ixzz1xdRZBnfPWhat is the difference between alien (from elsewhere) and divinity? Is it an Inner/Outer thing? No, it doesn't apply. One is a spirit bring, the other an extraterrestial biological entity that supposedly uses technology to cross vast distances of interstellar space, to supposedly monkey around with our DNA for some unfathomable purpose.
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Post by Henka on Jun 14, 2012 5:17:02 GMT 9.5
Lilith is my patron Goddess, who claimed me as her own during ritual. I can assure you, she is no alien. The headdress on her head in the Burney relief depicts a stepped crown, denoting her divinity. ... Lilith is not an uncommon name. Would you like to say how you satisfied yourself of the actual identity of the entity?
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Post by Henka on Jun 14, 2012 5:22:21 GMT 9.5
There might have been good reason for the scripture passage of Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Where the body of Moses was disputed over, I never said there was not good reason for this! In context, this a railing by the author of the missive against sinful and ungodly people. What does it have to do with the subject matter at hand? First off: Where is this "American Indian burial ground" you speak of? There are many tribal nations spanning the entire continent. Second: The U.S. Government does not mine uranium, it is done by the private sector. The government didn't turn Fascist until Obama, and they have yet to own shares in mining interests. There was a Nat Geo presentation about weird things on the planet, and one of them was a story where they showed a African Shaman and said the vultures would not eat the meat from the body/ Also bring to mind the Catholic tombs and the dead bodies there for a few hundred years that still look almost alive, and supposedly emit sweet oil[/quote] They have alien shows on Nat-Geo too.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 14, 2012 5:24:16 GMT 9.5
Henka please accept my apologies for this but Humans are the peak intelligent species on this planet. You have got to be kidding. The human race - bullies, liars, egotists, create money then screw individuals, businesses, nations, with it, put longevity over quality of life (hey so she is a vegetable but no we cant let her die - oh no), lets ignore evidince when it doesnt ft our individual worldview, lets put being seen to do the right thing over actually doing it, and so on and so forth. Many animals live full and complete lives, socially interacting in harmonry, caring for their young, living life, without mass murder, and everything else humans are capable of. Whether it is your humble ant, or a whale. Henka, please tell me you arent being serious. We may have opposable thumbs which has enabled us, but thats about it. We are one of the most agressive, short termist looking species on this planet.
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Post by Henka on Jun 14, 2012 5:28:47 GMT 9.5
Henka please accept my apologies for this but Humans are the peak intelligent species on this planet. You have got to be kidding. The human race - bullies, liars, egotists, create money then screw individuals, businesses, nations, with it, put longevity over quality of life (hey so she is a vegetable but no we cant let her die - oh no), lets ignore evidince when it doesnt ft our individual worldview, lets put being seen to do the right thing over actually doing it, and so on and so forth. Many animals live full and complete lives, socially interacting in harmonry, caring for their young, living life, without mass murder, and everything else humans are capable of. Whether it is your humble ant, or a whale. Henka, please tell me you arent being serious. We may have opposable thumbs which has enabled us, but thats about it. We are one of the most agressive, short termist looking species on this planet. Stewart, please tell me you aren't being serious! Show me a skyscraper built by a dolphin, or a play written by a penguin! We are the most intelligent species on this planet. Animals kill all the time. Your argument is pure emotion, devoid of common sense.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 14, 2012 5:32:50 GMT 9.5
Stewart, please tell me you aren't being serious! Show me a skyscraper built by a dolphin, or a play written by a penguin! We are the most intelligent species on this planet. Dolphins dont need skyscrapers - they would dryout, and penguins play beautifully on the ice. Animals talk to each other, sing to each other, have fabulous travel adventures (without needing passports) build sometimes exquisit homes, etc. Most importantly they tend to work in harmnony with nature, something that we fail to do.
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Post by paul on Jun 14, 2012 5:46:40 GMT 9.5
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, as we know from court testimony. What then are we to make of eye witness accounts of Lilith?
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Post by paul on Jun 14, 2012 5:50:24 GMT 9.5
It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war! I've seen archeological evidence supporting this claim. Radioactive skeletal remains. There are theories about the nature of radioactivity that do not require nuclear weapons to produce radioactive events. Thus radioactive skeletons could be evidence for other weapons or other events.
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Post by paul on Jun 14, 2012 5:52:54 GMT 9.5
...One is a spirit bring, the other an extraterrestial biological entity... How do you conclude that the categories are mutually exclusive? Many humans report out-of-body experiences. Perhaps humans are spirits with biological bodies.
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Post by paul on Jun 14, 2012 5:57:42 GMT 9.5
.....We are the most intelligent species on this planet.... My parents were taught by the priest that humans are the peak of Creation but personally I did not find religious assertion to be entirely convincing. If there were a smarter species it might be so smart as to stay out of the way of humans - by use of better senses (e.g. hearing noisy humans from miles away), better technology (cloaking), better siddhis (invisibility), living deep under the surface etc. Even worse, a smarter species might own humans (just like humans own animals) and humans, being not so smart, might not know that they were property. And that species might instigate apparently natural events to deal with over-population of humans. Is there any way to prove that humans are the most intelligent species on/in the Earth?
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Post by cwhite on Jun 14, 2012 7:51:35 GMT 9.5
Henka please accept my apologies for this but Humans are the peak intelligent species on this planet. You have got to be kidding. The human race - bullies, liars, egotists... As above so...
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Post by paul on Jun 14, 2012 8:01:36 GMT 9.5
Is there any way to prove that humans are the most intelligent species on/in the Earth? Paul, The only way some will think something is possible is if it is proved to them. So advanced life would need to step forward, claim this as fact, then allow a battery of conclusive tests be performed.... Worse, the more advanced beings might consider that intellectual skills are elementary skills and consider that their preeminence is based on higher achievements.
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