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Post by Henka on May 30, 2012 8:35:37 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on May 30, 2012 8:49:28 GMT 9.5
There are certainly accounts that link the Israelites to Ireland and Scotland and Scotland in those times was likely dominated by Norway. And the ancient Roman nobility (that claimed descent from Britain) is reported to have sent their children to Britain for a better education. With the links between Jewish and Roman nobility it is quite possible that there are blood line connections to Britain. As the song goes: Joseph was a tin man www.storyline-features.co.uk/glastonbury.htm
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 9:00:40 GMT 9.5
Bloodlines are an interesting area for research, wonder if the sons of god have blood..
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Post by paul on May 30, 2012 9:06:53 GMT 9.5
I suppose that the descendents of a blood line would be called "the sons of ..."
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 9:46:16 GMT 9.5
According to the Bible, our earliest parents were forbidden to eat of THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE, but Eve, seduced by the serpent, did eat and later induced the man to follow her example. Who the serpents are and what the Tree of Knowledge is may also be determined from certain passages in the Bible. We are told, for instance, that Christ exhorted his disciples to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves." The so-called curse pronounced upon Eve after her confession declares that she must bear her children in sorrow and pain and that the race will die. It has always been a great stumbling block to Bible commentators as to what connection there could be between the eating of an apple, death, and painful parturition; but when we are acquainted with the chaste expressions of the Bible, which designates the creative act by such passages as "Adam KNEW Eve and she bore Abel," "How can I bear a child seeing I KNOW not a man?" et cetera, it is very evident that the Tree of Knowledge is a symbolical expression for the creative act. Then it is plain that the serpents taught Eve how to perform the creative act and that Eve instructed Adam. Therefore, Christ designated the serpents as harmful while admitting their wisdom. To get at the identity of the serpent it is necessary to invoke the esoteric teaching, which points them out as the martial Lucifer Spirits, rulers of the serpentine sign Scorpio. Their Initiates, even so late as the Egyptian Dynasty, wore the URAEUS or serpent symbol in the forehead as a sign of the source of their wisdom.
As a consequence of this unauthorized use of the creative force, humanity ceased to be ethereal and crystallized into the COATS OF SKIN or physical body which now hides from them the gods who dwell in the invisible realms; and great was their sorrow at this loss.
GENERATION had been originally established by the Angels under Jehovah. It was then performed in great temples under propitious planetary conditions and parturition was then painless, as it is today among wild animals where the creative function is not abused for the purpose of gratifying the senses.
DEGENERATION resulted from the ignorant and unauthorized abuse inaugurated by the Lucifer Spirits.
REGENERATION must be undertaken in order to restore man to his lost estate as a spiritual being and to free him from this body of death wherein he is now encrusted. Death must be swallowed up in Immortality. www.rosicrucian.com/frc/frceng01.htmThe bloodline of the serpent ... Cain, the Widow's Son.
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 9:52:39 GMT 9.5
To attain this object, a covenant was made with humanity when it was expelled from the garden of God to wander in the wilderness of the world. According to that plan, a Tabernacle was built after a pattern planned by God, Jehovah, and an ark symbolical of the human spirit was placed in it. Its staves were never taken out of their place, to show that man is a pilgrim on the earth and may never rest until he reaches the goal. There was within it a golden pot with "MANNA" (man) "FALLEN FROM HEAVEN," together with a statement of the divine laws which man must learn in his pilgrimage through the wilderness of matter. This symbolic ark contained also a magic wand, an emblem of the spiritual powers, called AARON'S ROD, which are now latent in everyone on his way to the haven of rest--the mystic temple of Solomon. The Old Testament also tells how humanity was miraculously led and provided for, how after the warfare with the world it was given peace and prosperity by the before mentioned King Solomon; in short, stripped of all embellishments the story relates the salient facts of man's descent from heaven, his principal metamorphoses, his transgression of the laws of the God Jehovah would wish to guide him in the future till he reaches the Kingdom of Heaven- -the land of peace--and again docilely follows the lead of the Divine Ruler.
THE MASONIC LEGEND has points of variance from as well as agreement with the Bible story. It states that Jehovah created EVE, that the Lucifer Spirit SAMAEL united with her but that he was ousted by Jehovah and forced to leave her before the birth of her son Cain, who was thus THE SON OF A WIDOW. Then Jehovah created ADAM, to be the husband of Eve, and from their union Abel was born. Thus from the beginning there have been two kinds of people in the world. One begotten by the Lucifer Spirit Samael and partaking of a semi-divine nature imbued with the dynamic martial energy inherited from this divine ancestry, is aggressive, progressive, and possessed of great initiative, but impatient of restraint or authority whether human or divine. This class is loath to take things on faith and prone to prove all things by the light of reason. These people BELIEVE IN WORKS rather than faith, and by their dauntless courage and inexhaustible energy they have transformed the trackless wilderness of the world to a garden full of life and beauty, so lovely in fact that THE SONS OF CAIN have forgotten the garden of God, the Kingdom of Heaven, whence they were expelled by the decree of the lunar God Jehovah. Against Him they are in constant rebellion because He has tied them by THE UMBILICAL "CABLE TOW." They have lost their spiritual sight and are imprisoned in the forehead of the body where it is said Cain was marked; they must wander as prodigal sons in the comparative darkness of the material world, oblivious to their high and noble estate until they find the door of the temple, and ask and receive LIGHT; then as "PHREE MESSEN" or children of light they are instructed in methods of building a new temple without sound of hammer, and when the spirit realizes that it is far from its heavenly home, a prodigal, feeding upon the unsatisfactory husks of the material world, that apart from the Father it is "POOR, NAKED AND BLIND," when it knocks at the door of a mystic temple like that of the Rosicrucians and asks for light, when it receives the desired instruction after due qualification by building and ethereal soul-body, a temple or house eternal in the heavens, not made with hands, and without sound of hammer, when its nakedness is clothed with that house (see Cor. 4.5,) then the neophyte receives "THE WORD," the open sesame to the inner worlds and learns to travel in foreign parts in the invisible worlds. There he takes soul-flights into heavenly regions and qualifies for higher degrees under more direct instruction from THE GRAND ARCHITECT OF THE UNIVERSE, who fashioned both heaven and earth.
Such is the temperament of THE WIDOW'S SONS inherited from their divine progenitor Samael and given by him to their ancestor Cain. Their past history is a struggle with adverse conditions, their achievement is victory wrested from all opposing forces by indomitable courage and persistent effort, unchecked by temporary defeat.
On the other hand while Cain, governed by divine ambition, toiled and tilled the soil to make two blades of grass grow where there was only one, ABEL, THE HUMAN PROGENY OF HUMAN PARENTS, felt no urge or unrest, himself a creature of Jehovah through Adam and Eve; he was perfectly contented to tend the flocks also created by God and to accept a livelihood from their divinely begotten increase without labor or exercising initiative. This docile attitude was most pleasing to the God Jehovah, who was extremely jealous of His prerogative as Creator. Therefore He cordially accepted the offering of Abel obtained without effort or initiative, but scorned the offering of Cain because derived through his own divine creative instinct akin to that of Jehovah. Cain then slew Abel, but did not thereby exterminate the docile creatures of Jehovah, for we are told ADAM KNEW EVE AGAIN AND SHE BORE SETH. Seth had the same characteristics as Abel and transmitted them to his descendants, who to this day, continue to trust to the Lord for everything, and WHO LIVE BY FAITH AND NOT BY WORK. By arduous and energetic application to the world's work the Sons of Cain have acquired worldly wisdom and temporal power. They have been captains of industry and masters of STATECRAFT, while the Sons of Seth, looking to the Lord for guidance, have become the avenue for divine and spiritual wisdom. They constitute the PRIESTCRAFT. The animosity of Cain and Abel has been perpetuated from generation to generation among their respective descendants. Nor could it be otherwise, because one class as temporal rulers aim to lift humanity to physical well-being through conquest of the material world, while the Priesthood is their role as spiritual guides urge their followers to forsake the wicked world, the vale of tears, and look to God for comfort. One school aims to turn out MASTER workmen, skilled in the use of tools wherewith they may wrest a livelihood from the earth, which was cursed by their divine adversary Jehovah. The other produces MASTER MAGICIANS, skilled in the use of the tongue in invocation, and by the use of the tongue they gain support from the toilers here and pray themselves and their charges into heaven hereafter.
After the future in store for the Sons of Cain and their followers, the temple legend is also most eloquent. It states that from Cain descended Methuselah, who invented writing, Tubal Cain, a cunning worker in metals, and Jubal, who originated music. In short, THE SONS OF CAIN ARE THE ORIGINATORS OF THE ARTS AND CRAFTS. Therefore when Jehovah chose Solomon, the scion of the race of Seth, to build a house for his name, the sublime spirituality of a long line of divinely guided ancestors flowered into the conception of the magnificent temple called Solomon's Temple, though Solomon has only the instrument to carry out the divine plan revealed by Jehovah to David. But Solomon was unable to execute the divine design in concrete form. Therefore it became necessary for him to apply to King Hiram of Tyre, the descendent of Cain, who selected HIRAM ABIFF, THE SON OF A WIDOW, (as all Free Masons are called because of the relation of their divine progenitor with Eve.) Hiram Abiff then became Grand Master of the army of construction. In him the arts and crafts of all the Sons of Cain who had gone before had flowered. He was skilled beyond all others in the work of the world, without which the plan of Jehovah must have remained forever a divine dream, and could never have become a concrete reality. The worldly acumen of the Sons of Cain was as necessary to the completion of this temple as the spiritual conception of the Sons of Seth, and, therefore, during the period of construction the two classes joined forces, the underlying enmity being hidden under a superficial show of amity. It was, indeed, the first attempt to unite them, and had that been accomplished the world history from then on would have been altered in a very material manner.
The Sons of Cain, descended from the fiery Lucifer Spirits, were naturally proficient in the use of FIRE. By it the metals hoarded by Solomon and his ancestors were melted into altars, lavers and vessels of various kinds. Pillars were fashioned by workmen under the direction of Hiram Abiff, and arches to rest upon them. The great edifice was nearing completion when he made ready to cast the "molten sea," which was to be the crowning effort, his masterpiece. It was in the construction of this great work that the treachery of the Sons of Seth became manifest and frustrated the divine plan of reconciliation. They tried to quench the fire used by Hiram Abiff with their natural weapon, WATER, and almost succeeded. The incidents which led up to this catastrophe, their meaning, and the sequel will be related in the next chapter. www.rosicrucian.com/frc/frceng01.htm
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 9:55:05 GMT 9.5
Bloodlines, DNA, Left Brain.Right Brain, so many things to wonder about.
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Post by paul on May 30, 2012 10:06:20 GMT 9.5
These days humanity is progressing spiritually and the influence of blood line is much less.
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 10:13:02 GMT 9.5
Was 'the snake' corporeal or non corporeal? Just thinking 'immaculate conception' here. Immaculate conceptions seem to produce very special people. Jesus and John the Baptist being two... and Sarah's son maybe? Melchizedek?
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 12:33:11 GMT 9.5
Cain, Abel and Seth ---- wonder if they ever agreed on anything.. ?
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Post by paul on May 30, 2012 12:50:21 GMT 9.5
The "snake" very likely was physical. Leaving aside the multiple word meanings in the Hebrew account of Genesis, there are widespread reports of lizard-like entities in both ancient and modern accounts.
And of course an amphibian was supposed to have made the Merovingian line great through impregnating the queen.
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Post by paul on May 30, 2012 12:52:10 GMT 9.5
Cain, Abel and Seth ---- wonder if they ever agreed on anything.. ? I wonder how much Genesis was modified progressively to meet theological and political requirements. Given that Abraham came from a Sumerian city it should be possible to locate those three in Sumerian mythology.
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 16:03:20 GMT 9.5
Anu, Enki and Enlil ? According to the ancient Sumerian texts, the Sumerian god, Anu, the “supreme Lord of the Sky”, the currently reigning titular head of the Sumerian Family Tree, had two sons. They were Enki (Ea), Lord of the Earth and Waters (whose mother was Antu), and Enlil (Ilu), Lord of the Air and Lord of the Command (whose mother was Ki). These two half-brothers -- surprise, surprise -- did not get along. Just like Cain and Abel, who were also half brothers according to the Masonic Legend (according to Max Heindel of Rosicrucian fame).
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 16:08:17 GMT 9.5
From a Biblical perspective, it was Enki who (with the critical assistance of his half-sister, Ninki, aka Nin-khursag) created Adam and Eve. It was Enlil, on the other hand, who created “Edin”. Enki was the serpent in the garden, who urged Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (which was infinitely beneficial to their spiritual growth). It was Enlil, who drove them out of Edin, while Enki was there to clothe them. It is worth noting that Zecharia Sitchin [2] claims that the biblical word for “snake” is nahash, which comes from the root word NHSH, and which means “to decipher, to find out.” In other words, Enki, the God of Wisdom. www.halexandria.org/dward184.htm(bloomin' gardens, they are hard work! )
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Post by stewartedwards on May 30, 2012 19:30:57 GMT 9.5
Hehehe Stewart goes into having fun mode about a serious topic.
Some conspiracy theorists got a little disappointed once when I mentioned that I was RH +.
To me it makes perfect sense that Enki taught, while his brother tried to control. All part of the natural cycle, that is being played out in the world today. You can see it even in the masonic world (which does appear to be lagging a decade or two [perhaps even coming on 3] behind wider society).
As a paradigm for making sense of the world (in the same way science uses paradigms that aren't necessarily correct) it is a good one. It works.
Actually the masonic world is a good case study for such a paradigm. For on the one hand you have Enki energies (eg Striving for Truth) yet in reality how often do masons say things that would imply that not rocking the boat is better than striving?
Another good case study is my own life, and yours, for this eternal conflict is part of everyone. Infact it is one of the fundamental lessons of life, that reflects itself every time you bite someones head off and know that it is wrong, to wanting to ask a girl out on a date yet fearing rejection etc.. (I know not strictly accurate but as an introduction to this aspect of esoterics it illustrates the point)
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Post by cwhite on May 30, 2012 22:59:01 GMT 9.5
I've heard stories that Cain was produced from the union of Samael and Lilith. I've also heard that Gilgamesh's father was Lilitu or Lilu. Could the sons of Cain also be the sons of Gilgamesh?
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Post by LorrB on May 31, 2012 9:01:07 GMT 9.5
So we have to walk between the pillars on the Tree of Life names Severity and Mercy, each on of which when practiced in extreme prove harmful.
The Middle Pillar is called Equilibrium. Is Equilibrium a Straight and Narrow Road?
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Post by LorrB on May 31, 2012 9:07:53 GMT 9.5
Note one point here, humans need to feel connected to something greater than self A key to the 3rd? Brn respond most positively to the experience on the whole.
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Post by LorrB on May 31, 2012 9:36:27 GMT 9.5
I've heard stories that Cain was produced from the union of Samael and Lilith. I've also heard that Gilgamesh's father was Lilitu or Lilu. Could the sons of Cain also be the sons of Gilgamesh? Sounds like a Soapie How considering the possibility that Gilgamesh's father was a Lulu.. Gilgamesh is in mature manhood when the Epic begins, but being semi-divine (2/3rd god and 1/3rd human -- or alternatively, 2 parts deity, one part man) and vastly superior to other men, he can find no worthy match in love or war. Accordingly, as the fifth king of Uruk following the Great Flood, he lords it over his people to the point where they pray for relief. The Egyptians followed the Matrilineal line to preserve their 'divinity' also. Given the go-ahead, Enki and his half-sister, Ninki (Nin-khursag) created man, Homo sapiens, using genetic manipulation. They did so, allegedly, for the sole purpose of having workers to mine the gold for the Anunnaki, and thereby to quell the mutiny! The actual creation of Homo sapiens, as depicted in the ancient Sumerian texts in detail, was done by cross-breeding Homo erectus with that of the extraterrestrial Anunnaki! In other words, we’re all half-breeds! (Except for a few notable personalities such as described in the Epic of Gilgamesh, who might better be described as one-third breeds. No kidding.)
Ninki, the Lady of Life (now we know where she received her title!), carried the first “mixed worker” to term and gave birth to a being she called the “Lulu.” Later, fourteen “birth goddesses” (female Anunnaki) were used to produce additional workers. This solution was only a moderate success in that the Lulu was a hybrid and incapable of procreation (just as the mule, a cross between horse and donkey, cannot reproduce itself).
In addition, the “birth goddesses” had become weary of continually being pregnant!
Accordingly, it was back to the drawing board for Enki and Ninki. More work had to be done in genetically engineering a self-replicating, humanoid creature to be used as a slave.In the process, they may have encountered more than one dead end. It is possible, for example, that the legends of strange creatures and mythological monsters (from a Cyclops to a Hydra) may have arisen from the early experiments in genetic engineering, those which did not quite work quite so well. Cyclops, for example, was listed as the son of Neptune, the God of the Ocean -- another likely name or title for Enki (who was given the oceans as his bailiwick, and who was identified in the Sumerian texts with the planet Neptune. There is also the possibility that both the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon species were simply different “models” of the genetic engineering project, and created for different forms of work -- ostensibly the Neanderthal being the mine workers, and Cro-Magnon being the new, improved version of Homo sapiens for the purposes of housework and domestic servants. The latter may also have been the precursor of Homo sapiens sapiens.
Eventually, Enki and Ninki were able to modify the genetic structure of the Lulu in order for it to be able to produce itself. Yea! They thus created the “Adama”.
Significantly, they did so without Enlil’s knowledge or approval! (Enki and Enlil did not really get along, a conflict stretching over eons.)
Once the interbreeding began to show some significant results, several Lulus were taken to Mesopotamia to work in agriculture (in Enlil’s backyard, so to speak). There, they aided the Anunnaki efforts to raise food for themselves and their new workers. According to the Sumerian texts, Enlil created an E.DIN, a special place where new strains of edible crops could be developed and later implemented. Lulus were placed inside Edin, but without Enlil having learned of the Lulu’s recently acquired talent for procreation.
When the obvious result becoming obvious even to Enlil -- when the Lulu’s had in effect eaten from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (e.g., “sexual knowing”), the result was the Adamas’ expulsion from Edin. At the same time, Enki, their paternal “creator”, became the god who clothed the now homeless Adam and Eve on their way out the door.
The apparent duality of God in the book of Genesis is thus explained by the often opposing actions of Enki and Enlil. Enlil expels Adam and Eve; Enki clothes them. Enlil gives the old heave ho to Cain; Enki protects him. Enlil brings about a flood; Enki assists a Noah in building an ark. And so forth and so on. Even the Jesuits of the Catholic Church have begun to acknowledge the reality of at least two gods in the story of Genesis. Considering what we know of the Anunnaki and the elohim, there are a whole slew of Gods and Goddesses in the story of Genesis. halexandria.org/dward188.htm
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Post by paul on Jul 27, 2012 20:10:32 GMT 9.5
I have been reading Robert Morning Sky. He says in the 19th century some North American Indians (including his grandfather) rescued a being from a crash-landed craft and the being taught them about the war in the heavens. The account gives a broader perspective but is similar to Sumerian accounts. It puts Anu (The Most High) in an interesting light. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_63.htm
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