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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 19:41:12 GMT 9.5
>Human history seems to be full of war, so at least one side was not complacent.
Complacency without opposition is stagnation.
From the proverbs of Solomon
Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies. For the turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them; But whoever listens to me will dwell safely, And will be secure, without fear of evil.”
It is perhaps ironic to quote an old religious text in a discussion about starting Masonry anew. In that regard, what would you place at the centre of the temple?
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Post by paul on Dec 4, 2020 6:19:25 GMT 9.5
>what would you place at the centre of the temple?
The altar used in much of English-speaking Masonry seems to be an Anglican Church influence. More traditionally an altar had blood gutters.
It is better to think in terms of flows of Light. Thus geometry is important.
It is common to hang a G in the center of the ceiling, but it seems that this is properly an Arabic Q, with numeric value of 100.
99 names of the god were known but not the 100th name. There is much Sufi material in modern Masonry. Here the G/Q references the symbolic Mason's lost word.
Still we can see that that is a late addition to Masonry.
Through Sumer we get the Triple Grip used in Holy Royal Arch. Thus we see that Egyptian Masonry is not the same as Sumerian Masonry.
In ancient Egypt there was no central object, there being a central walkway up to a grave near the East. The grave was only used for the raising.
The Mithraic temple was a similar but without a grave and with a ladder on the floor - 7 rungs/initiations/sacred planets and finishing with a fixed star.
The Mithraic ladder appears in the EA TB and in some versions of the 18th and 30th degrees of modern Masonry, veiled by either Christian or Kabbalistic formats.
Sumer, however, was more interested in circles, referencing the zodiac and the pole star, from and to which The Most High was reputed to have descended and ascended. (This same material is concealed in grail legends including Lohengrin)
In Holy Royal Arch, the naturally circular temple has later been put into straight lines to reproduce the Tree of Life.
Thus there are two basic geometries for a Masonic temple, the rectangular, to resonate with the center of the galaxy and the circular to resonate with the pole star.
The galactic layout (pavement) appears to be South American, perhaps Mayan. The NE corner in craft Masonry is a reference/resonance to one of the four "rivers" from the center of the galaxy (Hunab Ku).
I am not familiar with the ancient Chinese forms of Masonry, although they did use the square and compasses. JSM Ward wrote a book about the Hung Society. I will have a read.
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Post by valent on Dec 4, 2020 12:30:33 GMT 9.5
Egypt, a great center of learning and the birthplace of many arts and sciences, furnished an ideal environment for transcendental experimentation. Here the black magicians of Atlantis continued to exercise their superhuman powers until they had completely undermined and corrupted the morals of the primitive Mysteries. By establishing a sacerdotal caste they usurped the position formerly occupied by the initiates, and seized the reins of spiritual government. Thus black magic dictated the state religion and paralyzed the intellectual and spiritual activities of the individual by demanding his complete and unhesitating acquiescence in the dogma formulated by the priest craft. The Pharaoh became a puppet in the hands of the Scarlet Council--a committee of arch-sorcerers elevated to power by the priesthood. -Manly P. Hall "The morals of the primitive Mysteries" Some things should never change
In a modern touch - Our matter world is a hologram made from waveforms from another dimension defined by information.
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Post by paul on Dec 4, 2020 13:52:41 GMT 9.5
>black magicians of Atlantis continued to exercise their superhuman powers
I have no doubt that ancient Egypt later became one of the Atlantean colonies. The Etruscans were another.
I don't always agree with MPH. Isis and Horus were/are both beings of some radiance.
Osiris turned up in the group meditation one time, but I did not trust him, having been warned.
Amun/Amen was banned by the gods and went into hiding, known by his followers as the "hidden god". Brilliant advertising!
Still, every ancient Egyptian town had its own different god in charge of brewing. So not all bad.
(The gods put in a military garrison to each town, and the troops needed beer)
After the gods withdrew, no doubt the usual religious problems arose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 18:38:29 GMT 9.5
"At the centre of the top of the Circular Mound Altar is a circular slab, which is the only one circular slab in the building complex. It is called the Stone of "Taiji" or the Stone of Supreme Being. Immediately around the Stone of Taiji are nine slabs in a circle, and around these nine is another circle of eighteen, and so on, each circle has nine slabs more than the adjoining inner one. All the circles are concentric and each has a multiple of nine." cctv.com
"Heavenly Heart Stone The Heavenly Heart Stone lies in the center of the Circular Mound Altar, where the emperor paid his homage to the God of Heaven or prayed for favorable weather. It was also considered by the Chinese people as the center of the whole universe in the old days. In the past, when emperors delivered ceremonial speeches here, something magical would happen. Even if the emperor spoke quietly, his voice sounded so powerful that it could be heard clearly by the whole audience. The emperor interpreted this phenomenon as evidence that they were TianZi " .. "Sounds from the Heavenly Heat Stone are rapidly echoed by the surrounding stone walls, and the loud voice heard by emperors and officials is actually a mixture of the original voice and echoes. But because the distance between the Heavenly Heart Stone and the stone walls is short, the original sound can hardly be distinguished from the echo, so people would hear a louder voice." "Beijing has four sacrificial altars in its north, south, east and west. They are the Temple of Heaven, Altar of Earth, Altar of the Sun and Altar of the Moon. The Temple of Heaven situates in the south of the city. Its main buildings sit astride an axis running north and south." link"Peking, in China, there is a place called the temple of Heaven, one of the few ancient relics of the Chinese monotheistic faith. It is constructed in the form of a square, with special seats in the east, the west and the south. There is an altar in the very centre. There are three circular platforms of diameters of 90 feet, 150 feet, and 210 feet. Note that these are in the ratio of 3, 5 and 7. The temple was built in 1420, but the altar is considered to be 4000 years old." China"The books of ancient China contain many Masonic expressions. For example, in a book called "The Great Learning", written in 500 BC, it is stated "A man should abstain from doing unto others what he would not they should do unto him, and this is called the principle of acting on the Square"." China
China also has stories of four dragons that turned themselves into four rivers
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Post by paul on Dec 4, 2020 20:42:04 GMT 9.5
The Temple of Heaven seems to have quite a lot in common with both Western forms of Masonry Here are the founders of China - Fuxi and Nuwa - with square and compasses, sun, moon and stars, and hand over back I rather think that Fuxi and Nuwa are the same as Osiris and Isis. For example, both pairs are brother and sister.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 20:56:14 GMT 9.5
>Fuxi and Nuwa - with square and compasses I wonder what the item is attached to the square, a plumb line perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 19:07:57 GMT 9.5
> but it seems that this is properly an Arabic Q, with numeric value of 100. 99 names of the god were known but not the 100th name< That's a very interesting point, there's a little information on Egyptian dialects and the letter 'q' here
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Post by paul on Dec 6, 2020 19:48:22 GMT 9.5
>little information on Egyptian dialects and the letter 'q' here Read "The Sufis" for a source of much of modern Masonic practice archive.org/details/x-sufisAs I recall, Idries Shah writes that the reason Freemasons do not travel far into the mysteries is that Richard the Lionheart was only initiated into the introductory aspects of Sufism. In my experience the first part of the statement is correct, but I do not recall any direct knowledge of Richard. But if this is true, then even 1000 years ago, the Freemasonry of Egypt and Sumer was being rapidly lost.
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Post by boreades on Dec 6, 2020 21:45:01 GMT 9.5
The Mithraic temple was a similar but without a grave and with a ladder on the floor - 7 rungs/initiations/sacred planets and finishing with a fixed star. The Mithraic ladder appears in the EA TB and in some versions of the 18th and 30th degrees of modern Masonry, veiled by either Christian or Kabbalistic formats.
Glad I am to see that connection acknowledged here. Sadly, I have not had any response at all from other brethren to my suggestion that "Solomon's Temple" might in fact have been Hadrian's Mithraic Temple, dedicated to Jupiter Capitolinus.
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Post by paul on Dec 7, 2020 5:53:48 GMT 9.5
There are some profound issues with Western history (using the Scaligerian chronology). ajendu.blogspot.com/2014/11/scaligerian-chronology.htmlScaliger guessed at the sequence of historical events and since then we have edited the data to fit his chronology. The Bible does not fare well either in the context of history. For example, Solomon, as I recall, does not appear in any copy of the Bible before 1500. Until then it is the Song of Songs and not the Song of Solomon. There are close parallels of character and actions between Suleiman the Magnificent and Solomon the Great. There seems to be no archeological evidence for Solomon the Great while the temple of Suleiman still exists. Further, at the date given to Solomon's kingdom, Jerusalem was not a city. At best it was a collection of huts. If the story of Jerusalem is correct, then it was on another site. It seems that much of the history of the West is invented.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 6:48:31 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Dec 9, 2020 8:08:15 GMT 9.5
The central pillar in the building shown is not necessary for structural reasons. Much larger domes exist from before that time.
There does seem to be a flow of energy/light down the pillar. The immediate source seems to be an entity that overlights the town, but that entity is also overlighted - by an entity that likes ritual and has Atlantean connections.
There were various Atlantean colonies including the Etruscans, earlier but not ancient Egyptians, parts of Scotland and it seems also Istanbul
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 23:18:01 GMT 9.5
If Masonry was starting anew and admitted only those capable of channelling their energies in such manner, I think that there would be a lot less Freemasons in the world. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Good morning ladies and Gentlemen, I hope that you are all doing well and are in good spirits. This statement really does make so much sense to me. Bringing forth the light should be paramount. Isnt this why there are certain stages in freemasonry? should an EA be allowed to further advancement without being "enlightened"? I'll tell ya what...let's put this on pause for a second and come back. Just about 2 weeks ago I was repairing an elderly gentlemans sewer pipe in his wall. He was clearly aged. From the first moment I met this guy I felt as if an energy was almost forcing itself to connect with me. After giving him my initial price he almost immediately said "yes, you can do the work....when can you start". It seemed as if I could have told Him a million dollars and he would have accepted just to have me perform the work. I got overwhelmed with other work and had all but forgotten about the job/customer figuring that he had already gotten someone else to do it. About a month later my brother n law( owner of the company) sends me to go do a job. The name seeming familiar I call the number and to my surprise it was the very same gentlemen that was there prior. He seemed almost overly joyed that I had returned. Now.... visualize me standing in this man's living room, in a corner on a ladder banging, ripping and sawing on this man's walls and ceilings to get the old sewer line out. As I make all kinds of uncomfortable banging noises he sits comfortably in his recliner not more than 4 feet away from me and the flying debris. The entire time except for when he seemingly disappeared for moments at a time only to return without my noticing. During his "napping" I felt him scanning me! It almost felt as if he was trying to heal me! Is this lunacy that constantly clogs my thoughts? Meanwhile back at the cave of darkness, I often imagine Moses, Noah and all the teachers of old that taught in and of silence. Their old secret societies that brought their teachings and what they actually required of their students(brothers). Clearly modern day teachings and rites are of a different and less nature. I recall reading of where some students had to sit in silence for a minimum of years in silence before being accepted. Could you imagine some members and their attitudes if some of their friends or family members were denied or refused because of their lack of light? I am almost certain that during ceremonies some can see the lack of. So where does this leave the lodge and it's lower class members? I mean hope and wishful thinking are one thing but at the end of the day, the one true purpose will have to be met.
Side question...that the beautiful violet lotus that I desire to have above me is almost black and shiny silver......the hell man? Any advice on that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 4:28:38 GMT 9.5
Will humanity ever be ready to receive all the sacred knowledge again? In the distant past most humans were emotional rather than mental in their function. Gradually we are becoming mentally oriented and this supports a broader perspective and allows humans to move more consciously into their functions. Will humanity ever be unified freely? ------------------------- Will humanity ever be ready to receive all the sacred knowledge again? It is clear that there are certain things humanity chose to forget, due to past disasters. I know for a fact that these knowledge's and what we are to do is being told to us again. Rather we do as we are supposed to do or not is a whole different issue. I do not believe that it was ever forgotten but instead hidden. Tragedies of the past that have ever left any standing are but rumors that we clench to.... Atlantis, Rome and any other stories or fables that we learn and take serious (maybe). >Will humanity ever be unified on their own? Now that question alone is the most difficult to answer....perhaps this answers Paul's question. "Why freemasonry is even present?" Since our humble beginnings when we were given such knowledge, we have always been at each other's throats. I would assume that this is mostly to see who could claim the most power. What a waste eh? Will this abuse of power continue if the knowledge was so given again? You know it would. Tragedy after tragedy being struck. It is not the human race that is imperfect. It is the lack of. The gaotu could have place our options in that of a mouse and still we would faulter. Until the truth is given to all there will always be sides. Whereever there is power, there will be the powerful and the weak. There will always be a loser. Avoiding this is futile. What we have to find out and discover for ourselves is, where does masonry and those without fit in our story and how to write it ourselves. Gotta put the groceries away. Chit chat with ya later.
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Post by paul on Dec 10, 2020 10:34:45 GMT 9.5
>I felt him scanning me! It almost felt as if he was trying to heal me!
In that scene there is a flow of light/love from his heart to yours.
>students had to sit in silence for a minimum of years in silence
That is said to have been the practice in Pythagoras' school.
>I am almost certain that during ceremonies some can see the lack of.
It is years since I have seen a strong flow of light in the lodge. The main streams, when they occur, are liquid light from the East. It accumulates on the floor of the temple and gradually deepens - so that a tingling feeling slowly creeps up the legs. Once it got to shoulder-deep.
The other main light is vertical at the altar or candidate if good enough.
The light (river) through the NE is rare, but important to the EA as it allows tuning into the reference signal from the galactic center. The EA should not be passed until s/he has demonstrated that attunement.
>the beautiful violet lotus that I desire to have above me is almost black and shiny silver.
I can see it. The brain is yet to become sufficiently transparent to that high frequency violet light. The Flame in the Heart exercise is probably the easiest method for improvement.
I often see a similar effect in lodge, where the candidate at the altar is not sufficiently transparent to the downflow of light.
>Will humanity ever be ready to receive all the sacred knowledge again?
Speaking approximately, humans born after about 1995 are much more sensitive to human obligations towards the planet and its species. This is a necessary preliminary to taking up human roles in the solar system.
Sacred knowledge appears when species act sacredly. Initiates know because they do! Right action comes first.
>we have always been at each other's throats. I would assume that this is mostly to see who could claim the most power.
The ancient humanoid gods used their allocated humans to wage war to increase the power and territory of those gods. These days about half of the world's adult human population no longer seeks power but rather right relationship.
That is genuine spiritual progress.
>Until the truth is given to all there will always be sides.
Philosophically this is a difficult proposition - because being true (to some reference) has been turned from an adjective into a noun (truth) - thereby existing independently of reference systems.
Thus we test the trueness of a wall with a plumb line.
Then we see that the trueness of the wall is only being tested properly because the plumb line has a relationship to gravity (whatever that may be).
Thus a philosophically more correct version of your statement might be: when humans have sufficient right relationships to see to what they should be true, then they will be able to operate as a whole, conforming with higher purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 9:36:19 GMT 9.5
> Thus there are two basic geometries for a Masonic temple, the rectangular, to resonate with the center of the galaxy and the circular to resonate with the pole star. I'd like to add that the surface area of a sphere is equal to the surface area of a cylinder of the same height and radius when you cut and unwrap a cylinder, you get a rectangle
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Post by paul on Jan 13, 2021 10:22:12 GMT 9.5
And the surface of an infinite sphere is a plane. So does the lodge stand on the outer or inner surface of the multiverse?
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