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Post by blackdragon1 on Dec 13, 2011 19:06:35 GMT 9.5
Let us examine the allegory of the garden of Eden more closely-:
The symbols in this allegory are-: (1) Adam and Eve (2) Jehovah/Yaweh (3) The Garden of Eden itself (4) The Serpent/Lucifer (5) The tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (6) The Tree of Life
in Kundalini yoga, when the kundalini/fiery serpent is raised up the spine and the 3rd eye opened, one becomes illuminated with wisdom and knowldege..and sees the light...sees beyond what one previously perceived
In The allegory of the garden of Eden, The serpent convinces Eve(who then convinces Adam) to eat of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, which would make them know what God knows..which would make them wise...and therefore when they both ate the fruit...they 'saw' and realised that they were naked
Very interesting parallel with the Kundalini raising..hence it may not be illogical to assume that Lucifer is an analogy to the Kundalini serpent. any thoughts?
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 20:03:39 GMT 9.5
"The god of wisdom, Ea, creates the first man, Adapa, and endows him with great intelligence and wisdom but not with immortality, and when immortality is offered Adapa by the great god Anu, Ea tricks Adapa into refusing the gift." www.ancient.eu.com/article/216/The Genesis version seems to be edited from the Sumerian
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Post by Henka on Dec 14, 2011 0:12:19 GMT 9.5
Let us examine the allegory of the garden of Eden more closely-: The symbols in this allegory are-: (1) Adam and Eve (2) Jehovah/Yaweh (3) The Garden of Eden itself (4) The Serpent/Lucifer (5) The tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (6) The Tree of Life in Kundalini yoga, when the kundalini/fiery serpent is raised up the spine and the 3rd eye opened, one becomes illuminated with wisdom and knowldege..and sees the light...sees beyond what one previously perceived In The allegory of the garden of Eden, The serpent convinces Eve(who then convinces Adam) to eat of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, which would make them know what God knows..which would make them wise...and therefore when they both ate the fruit...they 'saw' and realised that they were naked Very interesting parallel with the Kundalini raising..hence it may not be illogical to assume that Lucifer is an analogy to the Kundalini serpent. any thoughts? I said this in another thread.
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Post by blackdragon1 on Dec 15, 2011 2:04:31 GMT 9.5
<quote>The Genesis version seems to be edited from the Sumerian<unquote> ok..but it still does not explain the apparent parallel between Lucifer/fruit from the Tree of Knowledge(in the middle of the garden) and the kundalini concept of raising the fiery serpent up the chakras of the spine.....or is there also a link between the Sumerian texts and kundalini yoga/hinduism?
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Post by paul on Dec 15, 2011 6:10:30 GMT 9.5
Is the kundalini actually seen as a serpent? If not we may be comparing allegory with semi-history.
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Post by paul on Dec 15, 2011 6:12:17 GMT 9.5
Here is an early depiction of the Sumerian tree of life. The gods needed it to maintain immortality on this planet. Note the handbag to carry the fruit. Note the similarity to the omphalos
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Post by Henka on Dec 15, 2011 6:17:44 GMT 9.5
Yes Paul, the Kundalini is seen as a serpent, male and female. Are you implying the Sumerian gods were real and had to eat from the tree to live? That is an allegory, just as is the Eden myth.
Kundalini is real, I have experienced it myself.
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Post by paul on Dec 15, 2011 6:24:08 GMT 9.5
Yes Paul, the Kundalini is seen as a serpent, male and female..... Kundalini is real, I have experienced it myself. So have you seen the kundalini actually take the form of a serpent? Here serpents are depicted as the underlying intelligences of manifestation Is that allegory or literally true - from some perspectives?
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Post by LorrB on Dec 16, 2011 9:07:31 GMT 9.5
Had a giant cobra appear in a dream once. Large as a train, half above the sand and half below as it zoomed towards me .. it came right up to me raised itself over my head then came down to me level and looked me straight in the eyes. I must have dream fainted then I can't remember anything after that. It was pretty scary. I can't say that that was anything to do with kundalini, but it was certainly something to do with Nature... I can see every detail in my minds eye. It was not a rainbow coloured serpent, it was grey/sandy coloured.
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Post by LorrB on Dec 16, 2011 9:12:36 GMT 9.5
My gut feeling is that Lucifer is a light bringer and is probably the representation of that which changed us from group animal soul to individual personal soul... where we first took on responsibility for our actions in the world... for better or for worse.
I don't think Adam and Eve represent the sexes so much as the active/passive principles - without which nothing would move/create/perform.
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Post by blackdragon1 on Dec 21, 2011 3:01:28 GMT 9.5
Kundalini is real, I have experienced it myself. what is the difference between experiencing the raising of the kundalini, and experiencing the superconscious..or cosmic consciousness. I read in the book "The Lost Word, Its hidden meaning" , that the lost word(symbol) of Freemasonry is Cosmic Consciousness, which is the same thing as the Superconscious I guess. When I read the details of various people's experiences of kundalini..and compare to various people's experiences with the Superconscious, they appear to be one and the same thing
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Post by LorrB on Dec 21, 2011 8:14:53 GMT 9.5
On the micro scale - the same difference between being electrocuted (painful and shocking) and the joy of seeing something in its true light for the very first time.
Lesson - Don't put your finger into the electrical socket looking for light ;D
(or as mason's put it... don't seek the secrets of higher degrees, there are very real 'penalties' attached if the candidate comes not properly prepared)
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Post by paul on Jan 27, 2012 11:31:50 GMT 9.5
Here is the serpent with the Tree of Life and Dumuzi and Inanna. Dumuzi is the same as Tammuz for whom the women wept at the temple
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 27, 2012 12:28:57 GMT 9.5
Shri Ramakrishna could "see" the Kundalini, and once described its actions to his disciples, though with great difficulty, because when he focused his mind on the higher chakras, he would immediately 'disappear' into a trance so profound he was almost technically "dead": his breathing ceased and he appeared frozen in place, he did not respond even when a doctor once stuck a finger into his eye. He apologized profusely to his disciples for this inability to 'fill them in" on the higher states of Kundalini. He would occasionally refer to the Kundalini as 'the Serpent", and indeed, the Goddess of the "mind' ("Manasa") is called "the Lady of the serpents" and is depicted draped with snakes.
I once had a kundalini experience in a dream involving a Masonic temple. It started as me in the basement of what I knew to be the basement of a Masonic temple; it was empty and bare, with only a window high in the wall. I was there lying on the floor in a sleeping bag, waiting for the Masons to leave so that I could sneak upstairs and meditate in the Temple proper...
The next scene opened on me lying in my sleeping bag in the Temple, on the checkered pavement...it was daytime and I knew I had to get out of there before anyone arrived-then it was too late! The Masons came into the Temple, saw me there on the floor, half in and half out of my sleeping bag as though emerging from a cocoon.. one of them shouted at me "Hey, what are you doing here!" I tried to get out of the bag and on to my feet- and then I felt a very ODD rush of energy at the base of my spine and I was transformed into a great white serpent from the waist down, spiraling up towards the domed ceiling above...I was convinced I was going to go THROUGH it, but it did not happen; I was pressed up against it but I did not go through; I can to this day still recall the sensation of the roughness of the 'stucco' against my back!
Then, the power dropped off, and I spiraled back down again and changed back into a human shape. The Masons were not impressed however, and I was dragged before a sort of 'kangaroo court' and sentenced to death for profaning the Temple. I accepted it all calmly and when sentence was pronounced, I merely remarked "All right".
The "judge" , seemingly convinced that I did not understand, repeated his sentence, and I shrugged and repeated "It's okay; I understand perfectly" They all stood there staring at me in astonishment, and then I woke up.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 27, 2012 12:34:21 GMT 9.5
Here is an early depiction of the Sumerian tree of life. The gods needed it to maintain immortality on this planet. Note the handbag to carry the fruit. Note the similarity to the omphalos That omphalos reminds me a little of the Apprentice Pillar of Rosslyn, with all that carving.. It also reminds me of many stones in India that are revered as the Shiva Lingam, though thy are not carved as elaborately. At most a serpent might be carved up one side of it. In a lot of places there is no temple; the Lingam merely sits there outside, under a tree, and offerings are placed around it. Some have been there for centuries! Shiva is seen as the immovable 'centre" around which Shakti revolves, in fact he is referred to as "Sthanu" or "established in place", the root of words like "STAnd and "eSTAblish" and "STAble". Just as it is said in the Book of the Law: "I am everywhere the centre..."
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Post by paul on Jan 27, 2012 13:11:54 GMT 9.5
.. I once had a kundalini experience in a dream involving a Masonic temple. ......I was transformed into a great white serpent from the waist down, spiraling up towards the domed ceiling above...I was convinced I was going to go THROUGH it, but it did not happen; .. You may like to re-enter the scene to test whether the ceiling is still a barrier. How about colours?
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Post by LorrB on Jan 27, 2012 13:25:07 GMT 9.5
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 27, 2012 13:34:45 GMT 9.5
.. I once had a kundalini experience in a dream involving a Masonic temple. ......I was transformed into a great white serpent from the waist down, spiraling up towards the domed ceiling above...I was convinced I was going to go THROUGH it, but it did not happen; .. You may like to re-enter the scene to test whether the ceiling is still a barrier. How about colours? Actually I am quite sure the "domed ceiling" was the inside of my SKULL. To reach the Sahasrara is a very profound and final step, one which can actually be fatal; Shri Ramakrishna stated plainly that reaching there results in a trance so profound that "the body 'drops off' after 21 days". He himself was in this trance for SIX MONTHS...but then , he was a 'special case"! At the time it happened, a monk appeared from nowhere and helped keep Ramakrishna alive by beating him till he opened his mouth and then stuffing in a little food or milk. Ramakrishna was later told that this sort of trance was almost always fatal after 21 days, "but that God was preserving him for a special purpose"
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Post by paul on Jan 27, 2012 14:46:46 GMT 9.5
... Actually I am quite sure the "domed ceiling" was the inside of my SKULL. To reach the Sahasrara is a very profound and final step, one which can actually be fatal; I tend to think that the point within a circle from which a Mason cannot err refers to a chakra. Perhaps the 9th chakra and perhaps equivalent to Ain Soph Aur.
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Post by Henka on Jan 28, 2012 0:50:46 GMT 9.5
... Actually I am quite sure the "domed ceiling" was the inside of my SKULL. To reach the Sahasrara is a very profound and final step, one which can actually be fatal; I tend to think that the point within a circle from which a Mason cannot err refers to a chakra. Perhaps the 9th chakra and perhaps equivalent to Ain Soph Aur. "The most beautiful of all emblems is that of God, whom Timæus of Locris describes under the image of “A circle whose centre is everywhere and circumference nowhere.” Plato adopted this emblem, and Pascal inserted it among his materials for future use, which he entitled his “Thoughts.”" Voltaire's "Philosophical Encyclopedia" (1764).
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